CFZ If winning playoff games is the priority, I just don’t understand an OBJ signing

[RustyBourneHorse]

Does Booger not remember how long it took Dak to have any kind of rapport with Lamb? So now he is willing to risk even more Dak INT's because the two of them have ZERO rapport....this whole thing is BEYOND weird given the fact that since Deion he has wanted to win ONLY with his own draft picks.

Im a bit concerned that the ghost of Randy Moss is about to strike again, even though he literally redeemed that with Lamb and Dez.

 

[KJJ]

None of this OBJ talk would exist if we kept Amari Cooper.

 

[plasticman]

It’s beyond me why our 80 year old owner and part time GM, after the last 27 years of playoff futility, spends so much of his time pursuing OBJ- a player that almost certainly won’t be able to help this team much if at all this year. All this happening at a time when this team needs anything but a circus.

In fact, what this team needs a lot more than a 30 year old gimpy WR:

• Focus and attention to detail.
• Mental and physical toughness to overcome adversity.
• As a probable wild card team, becoming capable of winning road playoff games- something this team hasn’t done since the 1992 NFC championship game vs SF.
• A commitment to being at their best the rest of the regular season and beyond.

I have nothing against Odell Beckham. He has been a very good NFL receiver. But obtaining his services just makes no sense right now when this team need focus, not a media circus with the signing of a has been WR. You don’t sign a WR in late Dec as THE “key” for a deep playoff run. But you do make that signing if getting a ton of attention is the goal.

He had a little time off from supervising the stadium upgrades.

 

[Big D]

Does Booger not remember how long it took Dak to have any kind of rapport with Lamb? So now he is willing to risk even more Dak INT's because the two of them have ZERO rapport....this whole thing is BEYOND weird given the fact that since Deion he has wanted to win ONLY with his own draft picks.

He may be thinking more of how Amari came in and had instant rapport with Dak. That said I don't think OBJ is the wr that Coop was at the time. I don't really care for the move if it's true but I'll guess we'll see.

 

[Proof]

OBJ the last 3 years is averaging 3 receptions for 38 yds.

cool just going off your post. so over his “good not great” career his better than our best receiver, and over the past few years he’s a good complimentary receiver. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[TwoDeep3]

I submit this. If you think of the three tight end set with one WR and how that unsettles a defense, who blocks, who slips out into a pattern and who is the mismatch? Then think of the possibilities with four WR's.

Gallup and OBJ on one side. Lamb and Hilton on the other. Put Lamb in motion pre-snap to overload one side. You still have Zeke to block. Hilton runs a skinny post. OBJ runs a deep crossing route. This puts Lamb in the slot on the overloaded side as Gallup crosses the shallow middle.

Now I am not an offensive guru. But two fleet of foot receivers who can catch, married with all the other options at TE or WR, and perhaps Zeke leaking out to an empty flat. Now consider moving the pocket as all this is being done.

The Eagles run the RPO to get the mismatch. Either cover the WR/TE, or Hurts. Pick one, the other wins the route.

Now consider this.

Tyron, Tyler, Badass, Martin, Peters - that could very well be the Great Wall of Dallas. Now add Zeke to pick up the blitzers.

It's called options, people. If nothing else, Jimmy taught us speed kills in this game. Speed at receiver also opens doors for other pass catchers. While Jethro goes out of his way to stay in the news, I see nothing wrong with bringing in guys who can play. And if OBJ can't deliver, you still have Washington who is getting onto the field now. Offense is about skill players making plays.

As far as being the laughing stock of the league as someone mentioned, are you that thin-skinned that what a total stranger says to you causes you to shrink in embarrassment?

I also think there could be a situation where Dallas uses the RPO. Especially with receivers go left, TE sneaks out right as Dak rolls right. I know the Dallas playbook is huge. I am hoping Moore pulls his head out and runs plays the defenses have not seen when it comes to tourney time.

There is also an article out there suggesting Tyron is practicing at right tackle.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tackle-a-position-he-hasnt-played-since-2011/

A quote from the article: Coach Mike McCarthy said the Cowboys worked through as many as five different offensive line combinations Thursday.

I hope McCarthy isn't fined by the team for taking an interview with the press.

Nothing in the tournament is fact until it becomes history. These moves could be an attempt to write history.

 

[Proof]

Amen. I would be all for signing a DT, LB or CB.

they’ve signed both a dt and a cb

 

[TequilaCowboy]

Some said signing a DT or CB will be what helps Dallas....oh yeah who? We already signed a DT and a CB by the way. Who out there right now is gonna have an impact on this team?

yeah, at this point in the season you are not gonna find anyone like that at DT or CB....and i would include OBJ there too in that group. Which is why sign him in his physical condition? You can't sign someone just to sign someone, especially since you already got TY and Washington just got back. Jerry just likes to have people hear him speak.

 

[Bullflop]

I'd be lying if I said I'm excited about this move. It's hard for me to believe this thing is anything but another circus act by Jerry.

Old Jerruh must really be desperate to demonstrate the fact that he's large and in charge of the Cowboys and out to prove his power.

At this juncture, it seems somewhat doubtful that OBJ is really confident in his own abilities to turn the Cowboys into a SB contender!

 

[plasticman]

I submit this. If you think of the three tight end set with one WR and how that unsettles a defense, who blocks, who slips out into a pattern and who is the mismatch? Then think of the possibilities with four WR's.

Gallup and OBJ on one side. Lamb and Hilton on the other. Put Lamb in motion pre-snap to overload one side. You still have Zeke to block. Hilton runs a skinny post. OBJ runs a deep crossing route. This puts Lamb in the slot on the overloaded side as Gallup crosses the shallow middle.

Now I am not an offensive guru. But two fleet of foot receivers who can catch, married with all the other options at TE or WR, and perhaps Zeke leaking out to an empty flat. Now consider moving the pocket as all this is being done.

The Eagles run the RPO to get the mismatch. Either cover the WR/TE, or Hurts. Pick one, the other wins the route.

Now consider this.

Tyron, Tyler, Badass, Martin, Peters - that could very well be the Great Wall of Dallas. Now add Zeke to pick up the blitzers.

It's called options, people. If nothing else, Jimmy taught us speed kills in this game. Speed at receiver also opens doors for other pass catchers. While Jethro goes out of his way to stay in the news, I see nothing wrong with bringing in guys who can play. And if OBJ can't deliver, you still have Washington who is getting onto the field now. Offense is about skill players making plays.

As far as being the laughing stock of the league as someone mentioned, are you that thin-skinned that what a total stranger says to you causes you to shrink in embarrassment?

I also think there could be a situation where Dallas uses the RPO. Especially with receivers go left, TE sneaks out right as Dak rolls right. I know the Dallas playbook is huge. I am hoping Moore pulls his head out and runs plays the defenses have not seen when it comes to tourney time.

There is also an article out there suggesting Tyron is practicing at right tackle.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tackle-a-position-he-hasnt-played-since-2011/

A quote from the article: Coach Mike McCarthy said the Cowboys worked through as many as five different offensive line combinations Thursday.

I hope McCarthy isn't fined by the team for taking an interview with the press.

Nothing in the tournament is fact until it becomes history. These moves could be an attempt to write history.

I like your offensive line and I had thought this would be starters going forward. However, I'm not sold on Peter's stamina. I think he would require participation from Ball. I'm actually starting to favor keeping everything as is and inserting Tyron at RT.

I'm thinking the less change the better. Changing the starters at three different positions on the offensive line this late in the season just seems mighty risky, particularly when one player is a highly penalized rookie. Peters would then be the swing tackle.

Also, talk from Mccarthy about trying different lineups seems like a lack of respect for the Jaguars defense. if I were their defensive coordinator i would look for ways to confuse the Cowboys offensive line.

I'm not concerned about OBJ's character or level of participation, I'm more concerned about what his signing will cost the Cowboys down the road in terms of keeping valuable talent.

 

[plymkr]

It’s beyond me why our 80 year old owner and part time GM, after the last 27 years of playoff futility, spends so much of his time pursuing OBJ- a player that almost certainly won’t be able to help this team much if at all this year. All this happening at a time when this team needs anything but a circus.

In fact, what this team needs a lot more than a 30 year old gimpy WR:

• Focus and attention to detail.
• Mental and physical toughness to overcome adversity.
• As a probable wild card team, becoming capable of winning road playoff games- something this team hasn’t done since the 1992 NFC championship game vs SF.
• A commitment to being at their best the rest of the regular season and beyond.

I have nothing against Odell Beckham. He has been a very good NFL receiver. But obtaining his services just makes no sense right now when this team need focus, not a media circus with the signing of a has been WR. You don’t sign a WR in late Dec as THE “key” for a deep playoff run. But you do make that signing if getting a ton of attention is the goal.

I have nothing against OBJ but this circus has been going on since October. C'mon Jerry, just stop it. Either sign him and let's focus on the team with him on it or don't sign him and let's focus on the team we have. Arguably this is the best Cowboys team in decades and Jerry is creating a distraction, and feeding said distraction, instead of focusing on our roster. This whole thing is discouraging to me because it is an example of my biggest fear. My biggest fear is Jerry wants to be the focus of attention and if we win great, but if we lose then so be it. As long as Jerry is the focal point of media attention it's a win for him. Attention is more important than competition and that culture seeps into the whole organization. If Jerry blows this 2-4 year window with this young, talented roster like he did with the Romo era then as Cowboys fans we are screwed. Jerry needs to get out of the way and let this team perform, like he did in 92 and 93.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I like your offensive line and I had thought this would be starters going forward. However, I'm not sold on Peter's stamina. I think he would require participation from Ball. I'm actually starting to favor keeping everything as is and inserting Tyron at RT.

I'm thinking the less change the better. Changing the starters at three different positions on the offensive line this late in the season just seems mighty risky, particularly when one player is a highly penalized rookie. Peters would then be the swing tackle.

Also, talk from Mccarthy about trying different lineups seems like a lack of respect for the Jaguars defense. if I were their defensive coordinator i would look for ways to confuse the Cowboys offensive line.

I'm not concerned about OBJ's character or level of participation, I'm more concerned about what his signing will cost the Cowboys down the road in terms of keeping valuable talent.

All good points. Good points.

I get the 40 year old lineman and stamina thing. But then Tyron at RT and Smith at left tackle with McGovern at guard may be an answer. But I would still consider leaving McGovern on the sidelines since he seems to be the weakest link and move Tyler Smith to guard. Just a feeling I have.

The money is never a concern for me. If they need the money they always seen to find it.

 

[Blackrain]

Jerry is just going for the media attention with this whole OBJ thing.

If he really wanted to improve the team he would have signed Linville Joseph and Suh before our division rival got them and go on the extra mile to fix our run stopping ability.

Instead he's fixated on OBJ who makes headlines in the media and keeps the Cowboys in the news.

I could see his infatuation if the guy came here and worked out for us and hit it out of the park.
I have no idea what the fascination is with a guy who can't even work out for us and show us that he's healthy or prove to us that he can even play this year and be a help at some point in the season.

This in itself shows the whole thing is nothing but a media oriented circus to stay in the headlines.

I for one would be happy if OBJ's name was never mentioned again as he has done nothing to prove that he can help us.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

That’s a fair point. I’m just saying if there were good people available, that’s the position help I would be looking for.

I agree with you. ObJ at this point has done nothing to help the team in fact he's been doing the opposite. He's been a distraction along with the owner. I just hope he really cam make a difference and help in the playoffs.

 

[Mannix]

I submit this. If you think of the three tight end set with one WR and how that unsettles a defense, who blocks, who slips out into a pattern and who is the mismatch? Then think of the possibilities with four WR's.

Gallup and OBJ on one side. Lamb and Hilton on the other. Put Lamb in motion pre-snap to overload one side. You still have Zeke to block. Hilton runs a skinny post. OBJ runs a deep crossing route. This puts Lamb in the slot on the overloaded side as Gallup crosses the shallow middle.

Now I am not an offensive guru. But two fleet of foot receivers who can catch, married with all the other options at TE or WR, and perhaps Zeke leaking out to an empty flat. Now consider moving the pocket as all this is being done.

The Eagles run the RPO to get the mismatch. Either cover the WR/TE, or Hurts. Pick one, the other wins the route.

Now consider this.

Tyron, Tyler, Badass, Martin, Peters - that could very well be the Great Wall of Dallas. Now add Zeke to pick up the blitzers.

It's called options, people. If nothing else, Jimmy taught us speed kills in this game. Speed at receiver also opens doors for other pass catchers. While Jethro goes out of his way to stay in the news, I see nothing wrong with bringing in guys who can play. And if OBJ can't deliver, you still have Washington who is getting onto the field now. Offense is about skill players making plays.

As far as being the laughing stock of the league as someone mentioned, are you that thin-skinned that what a total stranger says to you causes you to shrink in embarrassment?

I also think there could be a situation where Dallas uses the RPO. Especially with receivers go left, TE sneaks out right as Dak rolls right. I know the Dallas playbook is huge. I am hoping Moore pulls his head out and runs plays the defenses have not seen when it comes to tourney time.

There is also an article out there suggesting Tyron is practicing at right tackle.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...tackle-a-position-he-hasnt-played-since-2011/

A quote from the article: Coach Mike McCarthy said the Cowboys worked through as many as five different offensive line combinations Thursday.

I hope McCarthy isn't fined by the team for taking an interview with the press.

Nothing in the tournament is fact until it becomes history. These moves could be an attempt to write history.

Great idea if you had a Brady or Rodgers to sort through it all in 2.5 seconds…this is Dak we are talking about.

 

[OGCowboy]

I think all this has been a smoke and mirrors ploy by OBJ who is desperately trying to stay relevant when he’s simply not. He’s had his day in the sun. He’s damaged goods and any team who buys into his self promotion is only gonna get burned.

 

[DogFace]

Beckham is a superb athlete. Elite among the elite. He can throw a baseball 90mph. Was enough of a soccer star that the US national team wanted him to tryout. And we’ve seen his catching and route running.

My point is that an athlete like this will come back very strong from the ACL. I just don’t see a downside besides the salary cap hit. I think if we sign him he helps us tremendously in January and February.

 

[cheftjpeck]

I keep hearing this OBJ stuff is causing a circus ? With whom?
The fans ?
This forum ?
The media ?
Don’t hear of or see any reports of an actual disruption at Cowboys headquarters, locker room, practices or with team?
The circus is mainly here, social media etc…

 

[Flamma]

Amen. I would be all for signing a DT, LB or CB.

Yes. Those would be moves to try to get yourself over the top. A WR, that's usually a luxury move. Rarely, if ever, are any teams one WR away.

If Jones does sign him, don't we just need him for the playoffs? I'm not expecting much either way.

 

[Ranching]

..I'm concerned if Dallas aquires him and we got knocked off first round playoffs.

Were going to be laughing stock for years to come. Best to let things be.

Could be, you know our fans....if we don't sign him and we get knocked out in the first round, Jerry will still be at fault. It's a no win situation at this point.