If You Could Break a Career Record...

[HDC]

NFL: most Superbowl Rings
MLB: fewest games watched
NBA: fewest games watched
NHL: fewest games watched

 

[jackrussell]

Baseball: Not a sport

Baseball isn't.....but golf is.

Yeah, ok.

 

[jackrussell]

Basketball....you always here the vaunted 'triple double'.

Big deal...Oscar robertson averaged a triple-double for an entire season. I'd like to have done it twice.

Football- Sacks sacks, everything sacks. Career, season, game. Nothing I value more than the film of my senior year getting 6 in one game. An incredible feeling.

Baseball- Career triple crown wins.

Golf- Majors wins.

 

[THUMPER]

Had Jordan played in Wilt's day, he may not have even been the best guard playing at the time, let alone the best player.

I totally agree. Jordan benefitted from a much different set of rules than those Wilt played under.

There was no such thing as a "cross-over" dribble in the 60s because it was called "carrying" or "palming" and was illegal. Jordan got an extra step or two courtesy of the "Dr. J" rule which was an un-written rule that allowed an extra step or two if the player did something dramatic with the ball like a slam dunk. Jordan also got away with pushing off to create separation, his hip-check would have made NHL stars jealous.

Let's not even get into the thousands of "phantom" foul calls Jordan got that no one else in the league got or the hacking that he got away with. In the 60s the officials called everything no matter who it was.

If you ever get a chance to watch some of the championship games from the 60s (Lakers vs Celtics for instance) on ESPN Classic you will see how they had to dribble with their hand completely on top of the ball and no traveling or pushing off. It was a vastly different game back then yet guys like Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor were every bit the athlete that Jordan was but had much better fundamentals.

The bottom line is that Jordan would not have been allowed to do most of what he did if he had played back in the 60s.

Wilt would probably have been even MORE dominant had he played in the 90s than he was in the 60s playing in a more athletic league. He was a phenominal athlete who excelled at track as well as being incredibly strong. He played at @260-275 lbs for most of his career but could easily have carried 295 (which he was at when I played against him in volleyball and he was MASSIVE! but still very agile even in his late 40s) and been very competetive against Shaq and the other Centers of the modern era.

Wilt had some moves that are overlooked by modern fans like his 10-12 foot fall-away that was impossible to block (according to Kareem) but was as accurate as Jabbar's "sky-hook". He was an incredible rebounder and defender with excellent hand speed.

I would say that of the two, Wilt would have been a better fit in Jordan's era than Jordan would in Wilt's. Chamberlain could have easily adapted to the modern game but Jordan would be extremely stifled playing under 1960s rules.

Lastly, being tall isn't enough just ask Manute Bol or Mark Eaton. You could also say that Jordan had an advantage over the competition because he was quicker. So what?

 

[DallasEast]

NHL - non-Canadian teams winning more championships than Canadian teams. Canada would just hate that.

NBA - overall free throw average for a season.

MLB - number of triple plays in a season. Baseball is boring to some, but watching a team turn a triple play is exciting to me.

NFL - number of interceptions in a season X 2. The word 'dominating' would be an understatement.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Baseball isn't.....but golf is.

Yeah, ok.

I never said golf was

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

NFL: most Superbowl Rings
MLB: fewest games watched
NBA: fewest games watched
NHL: fewest games watched

:laugh2:

I would nominate this as the post of the day thus far.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I totally agree. Jordan benefitted from a much different set of rules than those Wilt played under.

There was no such thing as a "cross-over" dribble in the 60s because it was called "carrying" or "palming" and was illegal. Jordan got an extra step or two courtesy of the "Dr. J" rule which was an un-written rule that allowed an extra step or two if the player did something dramatic with the ball like a slam dunk. Jordan also got away with pushing off to create separation, his hip-check would have made NHL stars jealous.

Let's not even get into the thousands of "phantom" foul calls Jordan got that no one else in the league got or the hacking that he got away with. In the 60s the officials called everything no matter who it was.

If you ever get a chance to watch some of the championship games from the 60s (Lakers vs Celtics for instance) on ESPN Classic you will see how they had to dribble with their hand completely on top of the ball and no traveling or pushing off. It was a vastly different game back then yet guys like Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor were every bit the athlete that Jordan was but had much better fundamentals.

The bottom line is that Jordan would not have been allowed to do most of what he did if he had played back in the 60s.

Wilt would probably have been even MORE dominant had he played in the 90s than he was in the 60s playing in a more athletic league. He was a phenominal athlete who excelled at track as well as being incredibly strong. He played at @260-275 lbs for most of his career but could easily have carried 295 (which he was at when I played against him in volleyball and he was MASSIVE! but still very agile even in his late 40s) and been very competetive against Shaq and the other Centers of the modern era.

Wilt had some moves that are overlooked by modern fans like his 10-12 foot fall-away that was impossible to block (according to Kareem) but was as accurate as Jabbar's "sky-hook". He was an incredible rebounder and defender with excellent hand speed.

I would say that of the two, Wilt would have been a better fit in Jordan's era than Jordan would in Wilt's. Chamberlain could have easily adapted to the modern game but Jordan would be extremely stifled playing under 1960s rules.

Lastly, being tall isn't enough just ask Manute Bol or Mark Eaton. You could also say that Jordan had an advantage over the competition because he was quicker. So what?

Yeah Thumper, I agree with a great deal of what you posted. A lost generation of basketball fans that have no knowledge of exactly how good some of these players really were.

 

[jackrussell]

I never said golf was

but they both are.

 

[The30YardSlant]

but they both are.

Golf is a game, like bowling, poker, and darts. It is EXTREMELY fun to play, but it is not a sport.

And maybe it's just me, but I dont consider illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced sacks of goo a sport. Again, maybe that's just me

 

[THUMPER]

Golf is a game, like bowling, poker, and darts. It is EXTREMELY fun to play, but it is not a sport.

And maybe it's just me, but I dont consider illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced sacks of goo a sport. Again, maybe that's just me

Baseball is a "pastime", it is NOT a sport. No, it's not just you.

 

[slick325]

Football- Jerry Rice's records. All of them!

Basketball- Most NBA Finals MVP's

Baseball- toss up between DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak and batting .400 in a season (rest in peace Teddy Ball Game)

Hockey- Not a true fan of the sport but anything better than Gretzky did it.

Boxing- Most consecutive successful title defenses

 

[jackrussell]

Golf is a game, like bowling, poker, and darts. It is EXTREMELY fun to play, but it is not a sport.

And maybe it's just me, but I dont consider illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced sacks of goo a sport. Again, maybe that's just me

Well darn, I wonder why when I open the SPORTS page, there are baseball scores, golf scores. Hmmm.

And it's a very narrow perspective of saying only illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced people when I drive down the road and see hundreds if not thousands of kids on ball diamonds playing baseball.

Please do tell who these illegal immigrants are. Roberto Clemente? Willie Mays? Roger Clemens? Who? Who? With an overbearing and ignorant statement like that, please provide the link or info on all these 'illegal immigrants.

Something tells me you were the last one picked in those sand lot games.

Now I know you have created your own dictionary and definitions, but I'll stick with ole Webster on this one:

sport (spôrt, sp

rt)
n. 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

The question in the thread is what sports record you want to break, and your answer is:

Love golf, the record I would want to break would be to shoot a 58 in a round.

If golf is not a sport, why the answer?

 

[5Stars]

Well darn, I wonder why when I open the SPORTS page, there are baseball scores, golf scores. Hmmm.

And it's a very narrow perspective of saying only illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced people when I drive down the road and see hundreds if not thousands of kids on ball diamonds playing baseball.

Please do tell who these illegal immigrants are. Roberto Clemente? Willie Mays? Roger Clemens? Who? Who? With an overbearing and ignorant statement like that, please provide the link or info on all these 'illegal immigrants.

Something tells me you were the last one picked in those sand lot games.

Now I know you have created your own dictionary and definitions, but I'll stick with ole Webster on this one:

sport (spôrt, sp

rt)
n. 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

The question in the thread is what sports record you want to break, and your answer is:



If golf is not a sport, why the answer?

Golf is a sport, but, it's not a team sport! That is why being a good golfer is very hard to do, because it's just you and the ball!

And, maybe an eraser, if you want to be REAL good!

 

[The30YardSlant]

Well darn, I wonder why when I open the SPORTS page, there are baseball scores, golf scores. Hmmm.

And it's a very narrow perspective of saying only illegal immigrants throwing balls at steroid induced people when I drive down the road and see hundreds if not thousands of kids on ball diamonds playing baseball.

Please do tell who these illegal immigrants are. Roberto Clemente? Willie Mays? Roger Clemens? Who? Who? With an overbearing and ignorant statement like that, please provide the link or info on all these 'illegal immigrants.

Something tells me you were the last one picked in those sand lot games.

Now I know you have created your own dictionary and definitions, but I'll stick with ole Webster on this one:

sport (spôrt, sp

rt)
n. 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
b. A particular form of this activity.

2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
3. An active pastime; recreation.

The question in the thread is what sports record you want to break, and your answer is:

I never played baseball, and never wanted to play baseball. I played real sports like football and basketball. Sorry, but a game requiring players to swing a piece of wood and trot around in circles doesnt qualify as an athletic event to me. Look how overwieght and out of shape some of these players are, especially DHs in the AL. They make O-Linemen look like well oiled athletic machines. Something that can be dominated by fat, out of shape, non-athletic guys (Babe Ruth comes to mind) has no right being put in the same category as basketball, football, hockey, swimming, track and field, etc.

If golf is not a sport, why the answer?

Because it's fun to play and would be a cool record to own

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I never played baseball, and never wanted to play baseball. I played real sports like football and basketball. Sorry, but a game requiring players to swing a piece of wood and trot around in circles doesnt qualify as an athletic event to me. Look how overwieght and out of shape some of these players are, especially DHs in the AL. They make O-Linemen look like well oiled athletic machines. Something that can be dominated by fat, out of shape, non-athletic guys (Babe Ruth comes to mind) has no right being put in the same category as basketball, football, hockey, swimming, track and field, etc.



Because it's fun to play and would be a cool record to own

Couldn't you then say that football's not a sport because a fat, out of shape, non-athletic guy like Ted Washington can dominate at times?


And for the record, 58 has been shot on more than one occasion, just not on the PGA tour. If my memory serves me, Maruyama shot a 58 in an open qualifier just a few years ago.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Couldn't you then say that football's not a sport because a fat, out of shape, non-athletic guy like Ted Washington can dominate at times?

And for the record, 58 has been shot on more than one occasion, just not on the PGA tour. If my memory serves me, Maryuma shot a 58 in an open qualifier just a few years ago.

Ted Washington has hardly ever dominated anything, except maybe the midnight buffet

 

[Manster68]

Okay Hostile!

You want the ultimate dream season for a pitcher.

1. He is ambidexterous (sp?), so instead of pitching every fifth day, he is used twice a rotation pitching every third day.

2. Pitching every third day, he gets more starts. Thus allowing him more opportunities to pile up wins, strikeouts, and possibilities of no-hitters.

3. He has to have an ERA of under 1.12 - breaking Bob Gibson's modern day record in 1968.

4. He throws no-hitters on three consecutive starts, breaking the back-to-back no-hitters thrown by Johnny Vander Meer in 1940.

...4a. In one of those no-hitters, he hits a pair of home runs. Equalling what Rick Wise did for the Phillies once in 1970.

5. He doesn't hit a single batter, and the ball never gets by the catcher.

6. His single season record is 42-0 or greater, thus breaking Jack Chesbro's all time single season win total of 41 wins in 1904.

7. He strikes out over 400 batters in the season.

....7a. In two games, he strikes out 21 or more batters in a 9 inning game surpassing Clemens and Kerry Wood. (I think Randy Johnson did it also)

8. In late September, he records pitches over 105 mph.

Now that wou.d be a tad dominating season, huh?

Of all the records mentioned, probably the most impossible one to break would be Chesbro's 41 wins in 1904.

I am still waiting to see the perfect game where the pitcher strikes out 27 men in a row.

Oh, and there was once a game 80-100 years ago where the first baseman never touched the ball.

 

[jackrussell]

Doesn't matter if golf is fun to play, the question was SPORT. And you answered as such.

And by definition (the real one, not yours) what level of physical shape or exertion is not of consequence.

Now your parameter of baseball not being a sport is " a game requiring players to swing a piece of wood and trot around in circles doesnt qualify as an athletic event to me." (in itself displays your total lack of understanding of the game itself).

What happened to the illegal immigrants explanation? (Didn't look so good once you read it again, did it?)

And while we're 'qualifying' an athletic event, let's go here. I'd say track, with some guy who stands around for hours then hurls a spear downfield, or a real fat fuy that tosses a steel ball hardly qualifies. Nor would some little fella that stands around at the end of the bench only to come on to kick a ball 20 yards after a huge blob of fat named Fridge falls over the goal qualifies either.

How much athletic training does it take for a hockey goalie to stand in front of a net to get pelted by pucks?

And while you pick out roids in baseball, I take it you're forgetting all about Tony Mandarich or Lyle Alzado. Or any number of people who dope up in cycling, running long distances, or any SPORT.

While I understand you may be speaking of a preference in athletics, to declare something you don't like as not being a SPORT is totally different, and off base.

 

[jackrussell]

Okay Hostile!

You want the ultimate dream season for a pitcher.

1. He is ambidexterous (sp?), so instead of pitching every fifth day, he is used twice a rotation pitching every third day.

2. Pitching every third day, he gets more starts. Thus allowing him more opportunities to pile up wins, strikeouts, and possibilities of no-hitters.

3. He has to have an ERA of under 1.12 - breaking Bob Gibson's modern day record in 1968.

4. He throws no-hitters on three consecutive starts, breaking the back-to-back no-hitters thrown by Johnny Vander Meer in 1940.

...4a. In one of those no-hitters, he hits a pair of home runs. Equalling what Rick Wise did for the Phillies once in 1970.

5. He doesn't hit a single batter, and the ball never gets by the catcher.

6. His single season record is 42-0 or greater, thus breaking Jack Chesbro's all time single season win total of 41 wins in 1904.

7. He strikes out over 400 batters in the season.

....7a. In two games, he strikes out 21 or more batters in a 9 inning game surpassing Clemens and Kerry Wood. (I think Randy Johnson did it also)

8. In late September, he records pitches over 105 mph.

Now that wou.d be a tad dominating season, huh?

Of all the records mentioned, probably the most impossible one to break would be Chesbro's 41 wins in 1904.

I am still waiting to see the perfect game where the pitcher strikes out 27 men in a row.

You have to be talking about the Incredible Syd Finch!