If you could have one current head coach

Arkyvarminter

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How many fans on here have people come up to them when they realize they are Cowboys fans and complain about Jerry? I do on a regular basis. Everyone, including myself, tell people that he is a problem but he doesn't call down plays from the booth like some think. Or does he? I seriously wonder how much input the man has on game planning. I bet you would be shocked!!!
 

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It's hilarious how people attribute natural turnover to some mythical Garrett rebuilding process. We had to draft Smith, because Flozell was done and we needed a left tackle to protect Romo's blind side. Our pick of Frederick was Jerry Jones over-ruling the board based upon Kiffen and Marinelli. Frederick was worked out by Callahan. Plus, we needed him to replace Costa whom Garrett praised to no end as a starter and Costa sucked. This year, we had 3 defensive players, our 4th player being OL. All three of them were taken.

Our turnover is right there with the rest of the league.

You want to just keep going and have one of us 'Garrett homers' let you know if and when you stumble on an actual argument, or you happier just making a bunch of unrelated assumptions none of us can muster up the gumption or enthusiasm to even respond to?
 

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Not making excuses for the Williams Trade.
Not making excuses for the Two TE system.

My argument is, and only has been, that the drafting of Olinemen in the first round has changed ONLY after Garrett took over as HC. That is a FACT no matter how many other arguments you or others make. And it is my opinion that he is part of the reason Jerry changed his mind and started drafting Olinemen in the first round.

It does not mean I like him, does not mean I will make arguments in his defense over a MULTITUDE of his short comings...heck if you look in another thread I am arguing about us losing the GB game because of him.

Now you can be all upset over garrett all you want. You can have all of the goofy anti garrett Sig images you want.

Fact remains...we did not draft Olinemen in the first round under a number of coaches over a number of years...Until after Garrett became HC.

Go on and argue it, it won't change the FACT.

You're so caught up in the element of drafting OL in the first round that you keep ignoring the FACT we were set there throughout the 90s and most of the 2000s. Again, it does not matter HOW we addressed the OL, it only matters that it WORKED for nearly 20 years.
 

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And if we want to get on the topic of draft classes under Garrett and point to that as what he's giving this franchise, name ONE defender we've drafted under him that is worth a lick. Been here 4 offseasons and we have the most talent deprived defensive roster in the league.
 

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People can make up any excuse they want.

What they can not change is the fact that prior to Garrett being head Coach..>Jerry Jones and the front office with 6 different coaches did not draft an Olineman in the first round.


Furthermore just because someone makes that as a positive claim to him, whether you agree with it or not, does not mean they are a big garret supporter, does not mean they think he is a savior, does not mean they like him, does not mean they want him to remain as HC nor does it mean they like every other thing about him.

I wouldn't mind Jason working in the personnel dept. Ithink he's better suited there. He's just not a good gameday HC.
 

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You want to just keep going and have one of us 'Garrett homers' let you know if and when you stumble on an actual argument, or you happier just making a bunch of unrelated assumptions none of us can muster up the gumption or enthusiasm to even respond to?

Like the one where Garrett said we needed to get more turnovers when Ryan was fired to get us more chances, and with those extra chances we were 23 rd in the league.

Yeah, the actual arguments you keep ignoring by saying there are no actual arguments.

Don't you have a family picnic at the Garrett ranch to go to?
 

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Like the one where Garrett said we needed to get more turnovers when Ryan was fired to get us more chances, and with those extra chances we were 23 rd in the league.

Yeah, the actual arguments you keep ignoring by saying there are no actual arguments.

Don't you have a family picnic at the Garrett ranch to go to?

Yeah, just like that one. Except it's probably better to make up new ones instead of recycling ones where percy already took the time to completely unravel.
 

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Yeah, just like that one. Except it's probably better to make up new ones instead of recycling ones where percy already took the time to completely unravel.

Keep cheerleading about arguments you don't even understand, let alone claiming what was unraveled, especially after claiming the arguments were already unraveled a long time ago previously. I loved it when you were talking about validating drives that started with TOs based upon 'field position'. That was quite comical.
 

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Even if we assume my argument was unraveled, Garrett's argument is still unraveled either way. Cause you know, 23rd in the league despite Opie telling us that the defense needs to give the offense chances...

I know, you miss such subtleties.

Don't you have to go cook dinner for Jason?
 

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Keep cheerleading about arguments you don't even understand, let alone claiming what was unraveled, especially after claiming the arguments were already unraveled a long time ago previously. I loved it when you were talking about validating drives that started with TOs based upon 'field position'. That was quite comical.

Ok. I'll cheerlead for arguments I don't understand. It must have just been the impression that your unsupportable argument was systematically dismantled and disposed of. I probably just didn't understand what really happened, though.
 

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Ok. I'll cheerlead for arguments I don't understand. It must have just been the impression that your unsupportable argument was systematically dismantled and disposed of. I probably just didn't understand what really happened, though.

I know it's hard. You boyfriend Garrett fired Ron Ryan because he said we needed more chances for our offense via turnovers. We got more than ten extra chances with three games to go. We still ended up 8-8. That was your boyfriend, who you obviously have a mad crush on, said. So even if we were to accept the argument, that my argument was thrashed by whom you said it was, how does it absolve your boyfriend? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

Now as for my argument being thoroughly demolished, can you explain how so? Was it because, according to you, we can accurately gage whether TOs impacted scoring based upon field position? You know, because that's what you said before the aforementioned person even came into the discussion. Got to love how you reflect your claims to arguments being thoroughly demolished with arguments like this.

So yeah, still waiting to hear I was destroyed. Is the food almost ready yet?
 

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Some of these threads around here. Garrett as an answer? Ha.

Belichick would be my first choice. Guy gets a ton of grief around here for some reason, but his results are unparalleled in the modern game.
 
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