If you think losing = higher draft picks = more future success

[Doomsay]

It's not really rooting for losses per-say. That is kind of a childish argument. However, if short-term losses are a byproduct of a true rebuilding program e.g...

Top-down integrated new coaching staff - not Jerry's piecemeal BS; trading still productive veterans for future picks; taking pre-June cap hits to free up resources for subsequent years - etc.

I'd take that over perpetually extending aged veterans in their twilight seasons and retaining incredibly ineffective coaches that you are comfortable with in order to string .500 seasons together with the hope that season ticket holders won't be quite embarrassed enough to relinquish their seats - because "we were just one win away from getting into the playoffs."

 

[DogFace]

And yet, what are you advocating here?

Staying with Garrett or making a change?

Do you even know?

You're criticizing those rooting for losses, rather than the fool's gold of a best of the worst playoff appearance - which would hopefully lead to bigger organizational changes rather than simply higher draft picks - and yet your 8-8 comment is a clear indictment of the job Garrett has done.

Some people rooting for losses aren't just doing it for draft picks, or a change at head coach, but for a gut punch to a foolish old man, too stubborn to admit he's wrong and that he needs to change his ways.

Some are looking at a bigger picture than getting clobbered in an undeserved playoff appearance.

Yes. That's likely to happen given Jerry's history.
Haven't we been there before in the Campo years?
Is that really what your hoping to happen?
Realism

 

[JBS]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.

Actually, yeah. Just losing won't do the trick. The team has to hit rock bottom. The team needs to get embarrassed, a la the saints games a few times. Then hopefully the seats will start to be empty...THEN true changes MAY happen.

When the bottom line is being screwed with, Jerry will start to think about changing.

So, yes. I hope this team loses. I hope they lose every game, by as much as possible

 

[Doomsay]

Yes. That's likely to happen given Jerry's history.
Haven't we been there before in the Campo years?
Is that really what your hoping to happen?
Realism

What are your hopes for this team?

 

[DogFace]

Actually, yeah. Just losing won't do the trick. The team has to hit rock bottom. The team needs to get embarrassed, a la the saints games a few times. Then hopefully the seats will start to be empty...THEN true changes MAY happen.

When the bottom line is being screwed with, Jerry will start to think about changing.

So, yes. I hope this team loses. I hope they lose every game, by as much as possible

Your scenario is less realistic than mine of us making the playoffs and continuing to build into a younger team while staying competitive. Then eventually taking that step.
Maybe we are taking that step now. That's even more real auto than thinking Jerry(the Cowboys) will change.

 

[DogFace]

What are your hopes for this team?

To make the playoffs. Get hot and win at least one game.
Continue getting younger. Possibly make more coaching changes and win a Super Bowl. While becoming a long term good team.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

So, yes. I hope this team loses. I hope they lose every game, by as much as possible

Put this in the dictionary, as an example, under the entry for "bandwagon-riding fan"...

 

[Stash]

Yes. That's likely to happen given Jerry's history.
Haven't we been there before in the Campo years?
Is that really what your hoping to happen?
Realism

I'll tell you what I'm hoping to happen, and then I'll ask for the same from you.

I hope this team tanks.

I hope it fails utterly and completely.

So completely that our modern-day version of Al Davis realizes that he can't fix it.

He realizes that the way he wants to do things is a recipe for failure.

That 18 years of failure and the bottom falling out is finally enough for him.

That he focuses on being a great owner and business man and leave running the on-filed stuff to people who know better.

But I refuse to hold on and simply 'hope' that things will 'somehow turn out better' like so many fans feel is their obligation to do.

 

[Stash]

Your scenario is less realistic than mine of us making the playoffs and continuing to build into a younger team while staying competitive. Then eventually taking that step.
Maybe we are taking that step now. That's even more real auto than thinking Jerry(the Cowboys) will change.

Sure.

Based on getting wiped off the field 49-17 and completely embarrassed while getting a mercy killing from a former coach sure looks promising to me.

Very 'realistic'.

We're taking 'steps' all right, all of them in the wrong direction.

 

[DogFace]

I'll tell you what I'm hoping to happen, and then I'll ask for the same from you.

I hope this team tanks.

I hope it fails utterly and completely.

So completely that our modern-day version of Al Davis realizes that he can't fix it.

He realizes that the way he wants to do things is a recipe for failure.

That 18 years of failure and the bottom falling out is finally enough for him.

That he focuses on being a great owner and business man and leave running the on-filed stuff to people who know better.

But I refuse to hold on and simply 'hope' that things will 'somehow turn out better' like so many fans feel is their obligation to do.

You have no obligation. Nether do I. I choose to pull for my team to win. You have a right to root for your team to fail.
That seems directly opposite of what many fans like to do.
Aren't you " hoping"in your completely "realistic" scenario that things "will somehow turn out better"?
Are you paying attention to what you're writing.
This is how realistic adults approach "pulling for their team"
It is childish to expect everything you want to happen will.
Also, foolish to mock people for hoping when that's exactly what you're doing.

 

[DogFace]

Sure.

Based on getting wiped off the field 49-17 and completely embarrassed while getting a mercy killing from a former coach sure looks promising to me.

Very 'realistic'.

We're taking 'steps' all right, all of them in the wrong direction.

I don't think they were completely embarrassed given all the injuries. We were up when Lee went down.
I'm guessing you cheered for that to further your rebuilding plan.
It is embarrasing how some fans act. Only on the internet around other fans. It would even embarrass you if you acted that way around adult fans.

 

[Stash]

You have no obligation. Nether do I. I choose to pull for my team to win. You have a right to root for your team to fail.
That seems directly opposite of what many fans like to do.
Aren't you " hoping"in your completely "realistic" scenario that things "will somehow turn out better"?
Are you paying attention to what you're writing.
This is how realistic adults approach "pulling for their team"
It is childish to expect everything you want to happen will.
Also, foolish to mock people for hoping when that's exactly what you're doing.

There's no doubt that ultimately we both wish for our team to do better.

I just have 17 years of futility on my side to show that the Jerry Way doesn't work.

So, you're the 'realistic adult', I'm 'childish', and yet somehow I'm 'mocking' you?

The hypocrisy and ignorance of some people knows no bounds.

 

[Stash]

I don't think they were completely embarrassed given all the injuries. We were up when Lee went down.
I'm guessing you cheered for that to further your rebuilding plan.
It is embarrasing how some fans act. Only on the internet around other fans. It would even embarrass you if you acted that way around adult fans.

I'm not embarrassed at all, I don't accept or cheer for mediocrity.

I have an opinion and ideas that extend beyond a 'blanket of hope' that entails no actual thinking or ideas.

But for that, I as a fan get criticized for not accepting mediocrity rather than actually criticizing the folks responsible for it.

Funny how that works?

 

[JBS]

Somebody gets it

 

[xwalker]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.

All teams have a higher percentage of success with higher picks. There have been article in the past that showed proof of it.

The really high 2nd round pick is also very important, it's not just the top 10 1st round pick that matters.

I wouldn't try to lose; however, if a team is out of the race they might as well cut veterans that they know won't be back the following year.

One area besides the draft where an 8-8 team misses out is the opportunity to sign players from other teams practice squads. There's a high probibility that each team has at least 1 good player on the practice squad. A losing team can cut veterans and special teams only players and add the PS players from other teams. Regardless of a teams scouting prowess, the more players added the higner the probibility that they hit on some of them.

 

[DogFace]

Sure.

Based on getting wiped off the field 49-17 and completely embarrassed while getting a mercy killing from a former coach sure looks promising to me.

Very 'realistic'.

We're taking 'steps' all right, all of them in the wrong direction.

There's no doubt that ultimately we both wish for our team to do better.

I just have 17 years of futility on my side to show that the Jerry Way doesn't work.

So, you're the 'realistic adult', I'm 'childish', and yet somehow I'm 'mocking' you?

The hypocrisy and ignorance of some people knows no bounds.

There's no doubt that ultimately we both wish for our team to do better.

I just have 17 years of futility on my side to show that the Jerry Way doesn't work.

So, you're the 'realistic adult', I'm 'childish', and yet somehow I'm 'mocking' you?

The hypocrisy and ignorance of some people knows no bounds.

There's no doubt that ultimately we both wish for our team to do better.

I just have 17 years of futility on my side to show that the Jerry Way doesn't work.

So, you're the 'realistic adult', I'm 'childish', and yet somehow I'm 'mocking' you?

The hypocrisy and ignorance of some people knows no bounds.

i said you were mocking people for hoping for a change when that's what you're doing. Read the posts.
I'm being an adult about my expectations as a fan. I have no trouble lowering my standard to debate children if need be.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Most of the teams that are terrible year after year even with high draft picks don't have a QB. That's not the case here.

And for a lot of people, the high pick isn't a reason to prefer 6-10 to 8-8. It's to make clear to Jerry that he needs a new coach.

 

[DogFace]

I'm not embarrassed at all, I don't accept or cheer for mediocrity.

I have an opinion and ideas that extend beyond a 'blanket of hope' that entails no actual thinking or ideas.

But for that, I as a fan get criticized for not accepting mediocrity rather than actually criticizing the folks responsible for it.

Funny how that works?

I'm not embarrassed at all, I don't accept or cheer for mediocrity.

I have an opinion and ideas that extend beyond a 'blanket of hope' that entails no actual thinking or ideas.

But for that, I as a fan get criticized for not accepting mediocrity rather than actually criticizing the folks responsible for it.

Funny how that works?

Only cheering for your team when it's above mediocre?See. They call that bandwagoning in sports circles.
Don't accept it ! March down to the stadium and say" I don't accept the is mediocrity. "
Or just sit around and hope for failure to bring about change. Both will accomplish the same.
I'm not happy with Jerry or Jason.
Im realistic and not a fair weather fan or tantrum throwing kid.

 

[birdwells1]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.

Tell that to the Spurs, 49ers, Chief, Seattle and the Colts.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Tell that to the Spurs, 49ers, Chief, and Colts.

Are you trying to make yourself look bad by giving bad examples? The Spurs have consistently won and outdrafted other teams with late first round and second round picks, which are like sixth round picks in the NFL. The Colts have won 9 out of the last 11 AFC South titles so they have also kept their team relevant with lower picks. The 49ers were a miserable team for a decade and are an example of a poor rebuilding job, not a good one. Please try again.