If you think losing = higher draft picks = more future success

[Stash]

i said you were mocking people for hoping for a change when that's what you're doing. Read the posts.
I'm being an adult about my expectations as a fan. I have no trouble lowering my standard to debate children if need be.

For there to be a 'debate' you would have to actually bring something other than "I sure hope they win! Go Cowboys!"

 

[Stash]

Only cheering for your team when it's above mediocre?See. They call that bandwagoning in sports circles.
Don't accept it ! March down to the stadium and say" I don't accept the is mediocrity. "
Or just sit around and hope for failure to bring about change. Both will accomplish the same.
I'm not happy with Jerry or Jason.
Im realistic and not a fair weather fan or tantrum throwing kid.

No, obviously a really mature adult projects their own attacks to be those of others 'throwing tantrums'.

I'd advise you take the time to reread the posts in the thread, do a measure of thinking, and then check yourself.

If I were bandwagon, I wouldn't have 16,000 + posts as opposed to say... 300.

I'm as diehard as it gets, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept mediocrity, despite what you might think.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

No, obviously a really mature adult projects their own attacks to be those of others 'throwing tantrums'.

I'd advise you take the time to reread the posts in the thread, do a measure of thinking, and then check yourself.

If I were bandwagon, I wouldn't have 16,000 + posts as opposed to say... 300.

I'm as diehard as it gets, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept mediocrity, despite what you might think.

Thanks for rebutting that old cliche. No one is obligated to accept poor or mediocre play. A bandwagoner is someone who jumps ship to root for another team at the first sign of trouble. You're clearly not doing that, nor am I. We're just POed at a team that should have been able to build a contender by now. Three straight years of 8 and 8 (and maybe a fourth coming up) is not the first sign of trouble. Real fans have every right to be upset with that. It doesn't mean we're running off and rooting for the Saints or some other team.

 

[Stash]

Thanks for rebutting that old cliche. No one is obligated to accept poor or mediocre play. A bandwagoner is someone who jumps ship to root for another team at the first sign of trouble. You're clearly not doing that, nor am I. We're just POed at a team that should have been able to build a contender by now. Three straight years of 8 and 8 (and maybe a fourth coming up) is not the first sign of trouble. Real fans have every right to be upset with that. It doesn't mean we're running off and rooting for the Saints or some other team.

Exactly right.

I think some fans have differing opinions of what the requirements of fandom are.

In my heart, I want for this team to be successful and win championships and at the end of the day, all other differences aside, it's what we can all agree on.

But when I feel that they're not doing things the right way and I'm not happy with the results, I'm going to voice my displeasure and not simply 'support my team' in all things.

If that makes me a 'bad fan' to some people, that's their opinion.

 

[Direwolf63]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.

It's all about probabilities. The probability of a successful draft pick is higher the higher you pick. You are much more likely to get a good player at #3 than you are at #27.

The Garrett/Jones drafts have been reasonable in recent years. We need a great draft in 2014 because the team has no cap room to improve the team through free agency.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Exactly right.

I think some fans have differing opinions of what the requirements of fandom are.

In my heart, I want for this team to be successful and win championships and at the end of the day, all other differences aside, it's what we can all agree on.

But when I feel that they're not doing things the right way and I'm not happy with the results, I'm going to voice my displeasure and not simply 'support my team' in all things.

If that makes me a 'bad fan' to some people, that's their opinion.

The way I look at it is this. I have a favorite Mexican restaurant here in town. I used to love to go there as I got great Mex food for my money. However, something happened to them, I don't know what, but people started getting sick off their food. I ended up with a case of the runs, and some other people I know got sick and were throwing up. Am I obligated to keep eating there our of some sense of loyalty? Hell no! It's the same thing with a football team. If they put out a crappy product, I'm not throwing my money away on jerseys hats, helmets, whatever. This year I canceled my NFL ticket. I'll watch the game in an Internet feed if I have to, but I'm not shelling out money to a stubborn zillionaire GM who's only GM because he has beaucoup bucks. I'm hitting him in his pocketbook. Maybe, just maybe, a little financial shortfall will make him wise up and hire a real GM. That's a fan who cares, not someone who runs off and roots for the 49ers.

 

[cowboys2233]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?


This is one reason I've never bought into the notion that it would be better for the Cowboys to lose and get high draft picks, rather than win and stay in the playoff race. There's NO guarantee that those high draft picks would be put to good use.

Another reason: Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell were drafted in the 1st round. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Jason Witten was drafted in the 3rd round. High draft positioning is really overrated.

Yes, a lack of talent on a team is a symptom, not the problem. The real problem is incompetence in the front office. I've seen teams that consistently draft later and consistently put winning teams on the field. Higher draft choices won't make a difference, it just means that the impact of drafting bad players will be more severe than before (i.e. bigger rookie contracts, less salary cap).

 

[Stash]

The way I look at it is this. I have a favorite Mexican restaurant here in town. I used to love to go there as I got great Mex food for my money. However, something happened to them, I don't know what, but people started getting sick off their food. I ended up with a case of the runs, and some other people I know got sick and were throwing up. Am I obligated to keep eating there our of some sense of loyalty? Hell no! It's the same thing with a football team. If they put out a crappy product, I'm not throwing my money away on jerseys hats, helmets, whatever. This year I canceled my NFL ticket. I'll watch the game in an Internet feed if I have to, but I'm not shelling out money to a stubborn zillionaire GM who's only GM because he has beaucoup bucks. I'm hitting him in his pocketbook. Maybe, just maybe, a little financial shortfall will make him wise up and hire a real GM. That's a fan who cares, not someone who runs off and roots for the 49ers.

I'm right there with ya!

I've been on a financial boycott of all things Cowboys for over two years.

I have 'put my money where my mouth is'.

I have expressed my disappointment, frustration, and disdain in the best way that I know how.

Not by blindly supporting a bad product out of some misguided sense of loyalty.

Not by shrugging my shoulders and saying "What can ya do?"

But by voicing my displeasure and controlling that which I can control, my wallet.

 

[birdwells1]

Are you trying to make yourself look bad by giving bad examples? The Spurs have consistently won and outdrafted other teams with late first round and second round picks, which are like sixth round picks in the NFL. The Colts have won 9 out of the last 11 AFC South titles so they have also kept their team relevant with lower picks. The 49ers were a miserable team for a decade and are an example of a poor rebuilding job, not a good one. Please try again.

Let me educate you, the Spurs would be nothing if it weren't for the tanking of the 1996-97 season to get Tim Duncan.

How were the Colts the season before they drafted Luck #1 overall? I'll tell you 2-14, the next year they won the division and are leading it now.

The 49ers 2006 #6 Vernon Davis
2007 #11 Patrick Willis & #28 Joe Staley
2009 #10 Michael Crabtree
2010 #11 Anthony Davis & #17 Mike Iupati
2011 #7 Aldon Smith

These team would be nothing if it weren't for high draft picks.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Just how confident are you, that the Cowboys, with their current GM and front office, would select good players with those high draft picks anyway?

My theory is that Jerra is less prone to mess up the draft if he has a higher pick than if he has a low pick.
Yeth, welcome to our world of hurt with Jerra at the helm.

 

[DogFace]

For there to be a 'debate' you would have to actually bring something other than "I sure hope they win! Go Cowboys!"

What are you bringing exactly to this debate?

 

[DogFace]

I'm right there with ya!

I've been on a financial boycott of all things Cowboys for over two years.

I have 'put my money where my mouth is'.

I have expressed my disappointment, frustration, and disdain in the best way that I know how.

Not by blindly supporting a bad product out of some misguided sense of loyalty.

Not by shrugging my shoulders and saying "What can ya do?"

But by voicing my displeasure and controlling that which I can control, my wallet.

Why not find a new team? You really are delusional, possibly in the literal since, to think that you are going to inspire some change. That is one of the dumbest sports related things I've heard.
I hope you read your posts here when you turn into a big girl and realize it was seriously misguided.
So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership, will you stop being a fan? How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nothing wrong with good debate, even heated debate.

However no need to take things to a personal level and name calling.

So cool the jets and rethink what you post.

 

[Stash]

What are you bringing exactly to this debate?

Facts.

They're called facts.

Look it up if you don't know.

(And obviously you don't)

 

[Stash]

Why not find a new team? You really are delusional, possibly in the literal since, to think that you are going to inspire some change. That is one of the dumbest sports related things I've heard.

Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.

I hope you read your posts here when you turn into a big girl and realize it was seriously misguided.
So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership, will you stop being a fan? How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.

And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

Thanks for proving the point, again.

 

[Stash]

Nothing wrong with good debate, even heated debate.

However no need to take things to a personal level and name calling.

So cool the jets and rethink what you post.

Thank you.

 

[DogFace]

No, obviously a really mature adult projects their own attacks to be those of others 'throwing tantrums'.

I'd advise you take the time to reread the posts in the thread, do a measure of thinking, and then check yourself.

If I were bandwagon, I wouldn't have 16,000 + posts as opposed to say... 300.

I'm as diehard as it gets, but that doesn't mean I have to like or accept mediocrity, despite what you might think.

Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.



And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

Thanks for proving the point, again.

Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.



And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

Thanks for proving the point, again.

Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.



And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

Thanks for proving the point, again.

So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership will you stop being a "fan". How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I am being serious. How would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.
You're not answering this master intellect

 

[DogFace]

Facts.

They're called facts.

Look it up if you don't know.

(And obviously you don't)

I'm not sure you know. You have only stated your opinion. That is not a fact. In fact it's a lot different

 

[DogFace]

So if we get good and nothing changed,as far as leadership will you stop being a "fan". How exactly would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I am being serious. How would you handle that if we somehow got good without your powerful stance against the team?
Can you please actually answer the questions. I being serious.
You're not answering this master intellect

This is a straight question. Can you answer it please.

 

[DogFace]

Considering the obvious fact that intellectually, you've 'brought a knife' to a gunfight, I'm not the least bit surprised. It's obviously not something you're capable of understanding, but to simplify it, I will not financially support a product that I am unhappy with.



And yet again we have a clear example of the self-proclaimed 'mature adult' when faced with an intelligent debate he is incapable of engaging in, resorting to a name-calling tantrum.

Thanks for proving the point, again.

I completely understand your delusional idea of a powerful stance against the team. It's great for you to have a purpose and a goal.