As mentioned before, the Seahawks will FOR SURE cut or trade a future hall of famer still in his prime for a mid/late pick! It will happen!I’d give a 5th or wait till he gets cut.
We don't neeeeed Earl Thomas.....not if they didn't want to pay Barry Church. To me...its foolish. Our DB's have the arrow pointed up and the pass rush if the organization does not screw it up losing David Irving. A few select pieces and we are set.
To be clear. WE DO HAVE THE MONEY for Earl, and NO WAY I'd give more than one of our 4ths....but I would not do it because he is an 'ok' player with avg players around him and Woods shot get the start with Frazier IMO with a drafted safety in the mix.
hope no one in the FO shares your opinionI'd consider Martin or a 1st straight up for Thomas but not both.
Thomas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Church. One is a All Pro and the other is an average S.We don't neeeeed Earl Thomas.....not if they didn't want to pay Barry Church.
To be clear. WE DO HAVE THE MONEY for Earl, and NO WAY I'd give more than one of our 4ths....but I would not do it because he is an 'ok' player
And I say he's overrated....not an ALL-Pro at all any longer.....he made the Pro Bowl ( popularity contest ) with Church having better numbers.Thomas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Church. One is a All Pro and the other is an average S.
Since when is Thomas an "'ok" player?
yep...i sure did. For the 8.5 million Seattle is due to pay him....NO FREAKING WAY would I do this if the salary is even close to that.Did you just say Thomas is an "ok" player..?
The best FS we've seen the last decade is an "ok" player? I've heard it all now.yep...i sure did. For the 8.5 million Seattle is due to pay him....NO FREAKING WAY would I do this if the salary is even close to that.
And if the Cowboys were unwilling to give Church 4 years 26 million when Earl got 5 years 45....well.....I don't know what to tell you.
Read above on the numbers. FYI the year Earl got that contract Church had 135 tackles 10 tfl, 1 int and 3 ff with 6 pd.....as good or better than any Earl Thomas year. The INT ( 5 ) for Thomas that year is a stat that gets a player paid but is often over rated when you are talking 5 occurrences over 16 games with 2 in garbage time.....
Xavier Woods should be allow to develop and grow.....the arrow is pointed up on Frazier and I'd draft Kyzier White with the 80th pick. Move Jones to corner and match him up on TE's and Long Wideouts in the Nickle and with an improved pass rush playing together from game one....we'll be fine in the secondary.
If Earl will play for 3 years 18 milllion.....bring him on. Cut Heath or Huff
NO....I look at football...and that's why I say what I say. YOU can say he is the best of our era if you like. I say he has been a very good player and is now only slightly above avg and not much better than Barry Church if at all. He's more of a cover guy while Church in Dallas was in the box.The best FS we've seen the last decade is an "ok" player? I've heard it all now.
8.5M for ET is pocket change.
And now you're comparing him to Church? So when you compare safeties you just look at their stats? Man do you I guess, but let me just tell you that it's not the smart thing to do.
Also 5 INTs to 2 INTs is a gigantic difference, but thats not even remotely why Thomas got paid. He's one of the best safeties the leagye has seen.
That year ( 2014 ) 2 of those INT's were in garbage time and later he picked 2 in one game....1 for a TD and won that game. But in '2017' Earl didn't have 5 Int's my friend; he had 2. Barry Church had 4 INT's and won a game. ( giggantic? )The best FS we've seen the last decade is an "ok" player? I've heard it all now.
8.5M for ET is pocket change.
And now you're comparing him to Church? So when you compare safeties you just look at their stats? Man do you I guess, but let me just tell you that it's not the smart thing to do.
Also 5 INTs to 2 INTs is a gigantic difference, but thats not even remotely why Thomas got paid. He's one of the best safeties the leagye has seen.
yes...the 5th year option is over rated and we save the money too. A fair price to pay to get that 3rd round pick and enables me to take Christian Kirk, James Washington, D.J. Chark, or Gallup with that pick at 64.Isn't pick 33 a 2nd round pick?
Six Smith's?
That year ( 2014 ) 2 of those INT's were in garbage time and later he picked 2 in one game....1 for a TD and won that game. But in '2017' Earl didn't have 5 Int's my friend; he had 2. Barry Church had 4 INT's and won a game. ( giggantic? )
If you are going to do this my friend.....argue honestly. FYI....past performance is no indication of future success in an aging player and stats are in fact the measure of the game Quincy. Not the only.....but primarily.
Safety play in the NFL over the last 5 years has been horrible. Earl did not make All-Pro 2 years ago, and jumped back into the conversation with a 2nd team honor this year due to a good game on TV and the bad safety play I just commented on as his measure. But if you
are expecting some huge utterly game changing difference from the 2018 Earl Thomas.....
you are mistaken IMO.
I actually watch the games. These are not simply 'feelings'
"IF" we paid him 8.5 million dollars you would soon hear horrible cries of how stuuuuupid Jerry was to pay this guy in decline. And it would only be due to above avg play. I saw it 1st hand with Brandon Carr even after he took a pay cut and played for 3.5 million. Expectations change the game.
He is only slightly above avg. That, again, is MY OPINION based on what I've seen the last 2 years.
And to be 100% clear....this is NOT NOT NOT a Cap Concern. We have the Money to pay who we want. I think we would over pay at 6.5 and I'd be ok with it simply because he is a savvy vet who can still play and an upgrade over Jeff Heath who had 71 tackles and actually had more INT's than Thomas in 2017 with 6 pd to 7; but with respect to your point....Heath is no Earl Thomas even with close stats
you have to trade for earl Thomas. Make it happen and the secondary will be improved. I don’t care if he’s 29. He’s a monster and a difference maker.
And he wants to be here
We've established using tackle stats and the like isnt a good measure correct?That's on you man.
I refuse to believe you watch the games if this is your analysis.
Seems like you just boxscore scout. I'm just letting you know that he's one of the best FSs we've seen this century and comparing him to Church is beyond silly.
Also comparing him to church is stupid in the first place consideing they don't even play the same position lol.
"Stats arent the only but primarily measure of the game" WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW you're talking about a safett for God's sake. You would prefer them to not be on the stat sheet because that means theyre covering their guy and the big uglies up front are taking care of their job.
Also it's really funny you try to use stats, yet you dont mention passes deflections, which would be the best stat to use haha. Thomas has 7, 6, 9, 11, 8, 9, 10, & 6 in a shortened season.
...church has 0, 0, 0, 6, 6, 0, 4, and 8.
If you're not going to watch the games and only use stats, then at least dont cherry pick them. It looks bad.
IMO you need to ask professionals on their opinion of Thomas or ask Seahawk fans that have watched him play for years.
In 2016 with Thomas in the game ths Seahawks allowed a 61.6 passer rating when throwing 20+ yards on 42 attempts. They allowed 2 touchdowns on those throws and had 2 INTs.
Without Thomas teams again attempted 32 passes beyond 20 yards, throwing 4 touchdowns and only 1 interception giving up a passer rating of 112 WHICH IS DOUBLE WHAT THEY GAVE UP WITH THOMAS ON THE FIELD. Maybe youve watched a couple of their games over the past two years, but it's very obvious just how elite Thomas is and how he transforms a defense. Seahawks were 8-3-1 with Thomas that year and were 2-2 without him.
They were the NFL best defense before he went down allowing only 17 points per game. After that they allowed 24.9 points. Thats more than a TD per game difference.
That's on you man.
I refuse to believe you watch the games if this is your analysis.
Seems like you just boxscore scout. I'm just letting you know that he's one of the best FSs we've seen this century and comparing him to Church is beyond silly.
Also comparing him to church is stupid in the first place consideing they don't even play the same position lol.
"Stats arent the only but primarily measure of the game" WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW you're talking about a safett for God's sake. You would prefer them to not be on the stat sheet because that means theyre covering their guy and the big uglies up front are taking care of their job.
Also it's really funny you try to use stats, yet you dont mention passes deflections, which would be the best stat to use haha. Thomas has 7, 6, 9, 11, 8, 9, 10, & 6 in a shortened season.
...church has 0, 0, 0, 6, 6, 0, 4, and 8.
If you're not going to watch the games and only use stats, then at least dont cherry pick them. It looks bad.
IMO you need to ask professionals on their opinion of Thomas or ask Seahawk fans that have watched him play for years.
In 2016 with Thomas in the game ths Seahawks allowed a 61.6 passer rating when throwing 20+ yards on 42 attempts. They allowed 2 touchdowns on those throws and had 2 INTs.
Without Thomas teams again attempted 32 passes beyond 20 yards, throwing 4 touchdowns and only 1 interception giving up a passer rating of 112 WHICH IS DOUBLE WHAT THEY GAVE UP WITH THOMAS ON THE FIELD. Maybe youve watched a couple of their games over the past two years, but it's very obvious just how elite Thomas is and how he transforms a defense. Seahawks were 8-3-1 with Thomas that year and were 2-2 without him.
They were the NFL best defense before he went down allowing only 17 points per game. After that they allowed 24.9 points. Thats more than a TD per game difference.