Ignorant Columnists don't know tow the Big Boys Play

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I may be older than a lot of posters on this board---and older than a lot of the lame Cowboy columnists I read-----but I overtly try to avoid rigid thinking. Only the agile survive and thrive. I can't say i always succeed in staying nimble in my thinking. I sure try.

The NFL is a Not-for-Long league. It is the ultimate Darwinian petri dish--with genetic revisions occurring in hyper speed. If you can't adapt week by week then you'll die. Hold hard to old adages and you just embarrass yourself, looking like the old man sitting in his own pissss.

So here's the deal.

Watch how the champions play. For rapid reading just scan the Colts and Patriots game this past Sunday night. It tells you everything you need to know. These guys have won more games in the past five years than anyone else. Lean from the winners-------or just be a loser.

1. The modern NFL offensive coordinator expects to get 3/4 of their yards, first downs and scores via the pass. 2/3 of the plays are pass plays and running backs are defined as much by their ability to pick up blitzes and catch screen passes as in the ability to run the rock. Talk to the hand--or to the stats and recent Super Bowl trophies. This league is about passing and stopping the pass. Period. End of sentence. End of dialog.

2. 3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. Most running plays are initiated from the shotgun. It's how the best in the business do it. Columnists and fans who think Garrett is too novel or aggressive in this regard just sound like old guys who can't even find their way to their own bathroom. Such fans or writers may be 28 or 38 but in NFL terms they are 98. They are outdated. Obsolete. Their minds are trapped in the football of 10 years ago (which is as different as the football of 50 years ago)

3. Quickness is more important than speed. Intelligence is as important as athleticism. New England has ridiculously old guys and white receivers who aren't particularly fast. The Colts also, interestingly, are more based on precision that speed.

4. The running game is set up by the pass. Play action pass is less important than pass-action-runs.

5. People who think the Cowboys lost Sunday because they didn't run enough are only embarassing themself with their obsolescent thinking. They simply aren't current with how the game works in 2009.

6. People who don't understand Bilichick's decision to go for it on 4th down--simply haven't looked at the conversion rates of NFL teams running 2 minute offenses (the offenses succeed the vast majority of the time). If you think you can milk the clock--you have already lost. Leave it to your defense to give you a stop in the final two minutes---and you'll lose 2/3 of the time. Bilichick is simply far more evolved as an NFL mind than you, me or very mortal columnists who can't buy a clue.
 

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T-RO;3087284 said:
I may be older than a lot of posters on this board---and older than a lot of the lame Cowboy columnists I read-----but I overtly try to avoid rigid thinking. Only the agile survive and thrive. I can't say i always succeed in staying nimble in my thinking. I sure try.

The NFL is a Not-for-Long league. It is the ultimate Darwinian petri dish--in hyper speed. If you can't adapt week by week then you'll die. Hold hard to old adages and you just embarrass yourself, looking like the old man sitting in his own pissss.

So here's the deal.

Watch how the champions play. For rapid reading just scan the Colts and Patriots game this past Sunday night. It tells you everything you need to know. These guys have won more games in the past five years than anyone else. Lean from the winners-------or just be a loser.

1. The modern NFL offensive coordinator expects to get 3/4 of their yards, first downs and scores via the pass. 2/3 of the plays are pass plays and running backs are defined as much by their ability to pick up blitzes and catch screen passes as in the ability to run the rock. Talk to the hand--or to the stats. This league is about passing and stopping the pass. Period. End of sentence. End of dialog.

2. 3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. Most running plays are initiated from the shotgun. It's how the best in the business do it. Columnists and fans who think Garrett is too novel or aggressive in this regard just sound like old guys who can't even find their way to their own bathroom. Such fans or writers may be 28 or 38 but in NFL terms they are 98. They are outdated. Obsolete. Their minds are trapped in the football of 10 years ago (which is as different as the football of 50 years ago)

3. Quickness is more important than speed. Intelligence is as important as athleticism. New England has ridiculously old guys and white receivers who aren't particularly fast. The Colts also, interestingly, are more based on precision that speed.

4. The running game is set up by the pass. Play action pass is less important than pass-action-runs.

5. People who think the Cowboys lost Sunday because they didn't run enough are only embarassing themself with their obsolescent thinking. They simply aren't current with how the game works in 2009.

...and what happens when your qb, backs, tight ends and lineman can't function in blitz pickup?...this is one of several ways the Cowboys are'nt like the Patriots or the Colts...Manning and Brady are the two top quarterbacks in the league right now and Romo is not in their class...period...to make the shotgun offense work on an extended basis without getting your quarterback killed requires more attention to detail and situational awareness than Dallas currently possesses...it's just that simple...

...how the game works for teams like NE and Indy ain't how things are currently working for the Cowboys...i don't see this changing a whole lot...there's something fundamentally wrong with the Dallas offensive line, both in run blocking and pass protection...just my two cents...

this is an apples to oranges comparison imo...
 

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T-RO;3087284 said:
1. The modern NFL offensive coordinator expects to get 3/4 of their yards, first downs and scores via the pass. 2/3 of the plays are pass plays and running backs are defined as much by their ability to pick up blitzes and catch screen passes as in the ability to run the rock. Talk to the hand--or to the stats and recent Super Bowl trophies. This league is about passing and stopping the pass. Period. End of sentence. End of dialog.

5. People who think the Cowboys lost Sunday because they didn't run enough are only embarassing themself with their obsolescent thinking. They simply aren't current with how the game works in 2009.

How are you gonna say that 2/3 of plays are passes and then say that other people aren't current with how the game works in 2009?

You seem to have some crazy idea that you can only win by slinging the ball all across the field. 2/3 is an overstatement to say the least.
 

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Hoofbite;3087288 said:
2/3 is an overstatement to say the least.

Sunday Night:
Undefeated Colts:
44 pass plays
18 running plays
71%

New England
42 passes
28 rushes
60%

The team that was most evolved (passed most) won again, despite playing below par.
 

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kramskoi;3087285 said:
...to make the shotgun offense work on an extended basis without getting your quarterback killed requires more attention to detail and situational awareness than Dallas currently possesses...it's just that simple...


I agree. And for that reason (our lack of evolved passing precision) we may not be able to win a Super Bowl this year.

We don't have superb timing and precision between our quarterback and receivers right now. Roy and Bennett run imprecise routes and Tony--though quite resourceful--is not consistent in his throws.
 

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T-RO;3087289 said:
Sunday Night:
Undefeated Colts:
44 pass plays
18 running plays
71%

New England
42 passes
28 rushes
60%

The team that was most evolved (passed most) won again, despite playing below par.

No, the team that didn't fail on a fourth and two won. The pass/run ratio did not come into it.

BTW, NE failed on a pass. A completed pass. So much for enlightenment.
 

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T-RO;3087289 said:
Sunday Night:
Undefeated Colts:
44 pass plays
18 running plays
71%

New England
42 passes
28 rushes
60%

The team that was most evolved (passed most) won again, despite playing below par.

The team that lost couldn't get two yards from a shotgun formation (that had no running back for a draw play)
Maybe if Brady had been under centre with a running back ,the options, running and passing,would have been greater and the chance of success better.
 

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I'm sorry, but there's no way that the pass-action run is more important than the play-action pass. That's why the play-action pass was a revolution.

You run the ball to set up the pass. Continually running shotgun allows a defense to play jailbreak style defense.

I understand you're a Jason Garrett fan, and I like him too. But put down the homerade for a few seconds. He called a bad game. It happens. He'll probably call 10 more brilliant ones before he calls a bad one, but lets just hope the next time he calls a bad one we can overcome it.
 

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What your saying may be the prevailing trend but even Capers said that the offense became one dimensional which allowed them to blitz so much. He also Garrett doesn't seem to know when to run or when to pass (which defensive fronts) and he also cant keep running the shotgun draw. My son who is 10 and doesn't even watch football asked if the cowboys are only allowed to run the ball that way. Its all he has seen them do to run. So your statement may be correct but RHG isn't using the odds for blitzing in his favor.
 

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kramskoi;3087285 said:
...and what happens when your qb, backs, tight ends and lineman can't function in blitz pickup?...this is one of several ways the Cowboys are'nt like the Patriots or the Colts...Manning and Brady are the two top quarterbacks in the league right now and Romo is not in their class...period...to make the shotgun offense work on an extended basis without getting your quarterback killed requires more attention to detail and situational awareness than Dallas currently possesses...it's just that simple...

...how the game works for teams like NE and Indy ain't how things are currently working for the Cowboys...i don't see this changing a whole lot...there's something fundamentally wrong with the Dallas offensive line, both in run blocking and pass protection...just my two cents...

this is an apples to oranges comparison imo...

everybody is looking to fnd a place to put the blame....but simply put we lacked fire in this last game. we made too many mental mistakes (11 penalties). we gave up 5 sacks, multiple pressure, fumbles, etc. we didn't execute. partly because of GB and partly because of ourselves. end of story. it happens. but it happens less to the elite teams than average teams. elite teams always play with fire. focused. and they execute. they don't beat themselves. they force other teams to beat them. GB didn't beat us. they scored 3 points by the end of 3rd quarter. we beat ourselves when we blew opportunity after oppportunity.
 

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T-RO;3087289 said:
Sunday Night:
Undefeated Colts:
44 pass plays
18 running plays
71%

New England
42 passes
28 rushes
60%

The team that was most evolved (passed most) won again, despite playing below par.

You're looking at the smallest sample and making a huge general conclusion.
 

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The key to both Indy & NE's success on offense is their O-Line. Both Manning and Brady have a lot of time to throw and are not harassed every time they drop back to pass. Brady in particular seems to have all day to throw. The one team that did consistently penetrate NE's O-Line was the Giants in the SB 2 years ago and we all know how that turned out.

When you pressure Manning he isn't nearly as productive. We did that a few years ago and beat them because of it.

Romo rarely has much time to throw and when he does, some of his receivers are not where they should be. I think the inconsistency from the O-Line wrecks the timing of the passing game. Our inability to draft quality OLs is what has killed our chances of winning playoff games over the past 13 years.

I was hoping that with all 5 OLs healthy for the first time in a while we would begin to have some consistency in the pass-protection but it hasn't materialized. We were run-blocking well early in the season but even that has dwindled considerably lately. Now with Columbo out we may have a tough time producing on offense.

We'll see what Free has I guess but I would like to see Garrett call more planned rollouts for Romo to buy a little time.
 

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M'Kevon;3087328 said:
No, the team that didn't fail on a fourth and two won. The pass/run ratio did not come into it.

BTW, NE failed on a pass. A completed pass. So much for enlightenment.

Wrong again, myth holder. League officials are embarrassed by the missed call. The Patriots play merited a first down. They simply got hosed. Ultimately, however, as I previously stated---the team that passed most won.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3087427 said:
Who knew Jason posted here?

ChocLab you usually you can hold your water pretty well.

On this topic you resort to emotional tactics more typically associated with the mindless mob.

I'm very disappointed that you de-evolve so readily. You provide zero substance. Is that al you got? You flunk.
 

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CowboysFaninDC;3087359 said:
but simply put we lacked fire in this last game.... we beat ourselves when we blew opportunity after oppportunity.

I sure agree with these statements.
 

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Anyone that thinks you can just sling the ball all over the field and win on a consistent basis = fail. Period.
 

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T-RO;3088372 said:
ChocLab you usually you can hold your water pretty well.

On this topic you resort to emotional tactics more typically associated with the mindless mob.

I'm very disappointed that you de-evolve so readily. You provide zero substance. Is that al you got? You flunk.

Meh, I've made plenty of serious posts on the topic, but you've made so many wild claims here that it's not worth addressing them.

And it's clear from your tone and attitude that you aren't very open-minded anyway.

I guess I could ask why a football team would *ever* run the ball based on what you've claimed, but never mind.
 

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T-RO;3087284 said:
I may be older than a lot of posters on this board---and older than a lot of the lame Cowboy columnists I read-----but I overtly try to avoid rigid thinking. Only the agile survive and thrive. I can't say i always succeed in staying nimble in my thinking. I sure try.

The NFL is a Not-for-Long league. It is the ultimate Darwinian petri dish--with genetic revisions occurring in hyper speed. If you can't adapt week by week then you'll die. Hold hard to old adages and you just embarrass yourself, looking like the old man sitting in his own pissss.

So here's the deal.

Watch how the champions play. For rapid reading just scan the Colts and Patriots game this past Sunday night. It tells you everything you need to know. These guys have won more games in the past five years than anyone else. Lean from the winners-------or just be a loser.

1. The modern NFL offensive coordinator expects to get 3/4 of their yards, first downs and scores via the pass. 2/3 of the plays are pass plays and running backs are defined as much by their ability to pick up blitzes and catch screen passes as in the ability to run the rock. Talk to the hand--or to the stats and recent Super Bowl trophies. This league is about passing and stopping the pass. Period. End of sentence. End of dialog.

2. 3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. Most running plays are initiated from the shotgun. It's how the best in the business do it. Columnists and fans who think Garrett is too novel or aggressive in this regard just sound like old guys who can't even find their way to their own bathroom. Such fans or writers may be 28 or 38 but in NFL terms they are 98. They are outdated. Obsolete. Their minds are trapped in the football of 10 years ago (which is as different as the football of 50 years ago)

3. Quickness is more important than speed. Intelligence is as important as athleticism. New England has ridiculously old guys and white receivers who aren't particularly fast. The Colts also, interestingly, are more based on precision that speed.

4. The running game is set up by the pass. Play action pass is less important than pass-action-runs.

5. People who think the Cowboys lost Sunday because they didn't run enough are only embarassing themself with their obsolescent thinking. They simply aren't current with how the game works in 2009.

6. People who don't understand Bilichick's decision to go for it on 4th down--simply haven't looked at the conversion rates of NFL teams running 2 minute offenses (the offenses succeed the vast majority of the time). If you think you can milk the clock--you have already lost. Leave it to your defense to give you a stop in the final two minutes---and you'll lose 2/3 of the time. Bilichick is simply far more evolved as an NFL mind than you, me or very mortal columnists who can't buy a clue.

Uhhh no, Tom and Peyton happen to be arguably the two best qb's of all time. They are the exception not the rule. And without Addai they'd probably still be saying Peyton can't win the big game...
 
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