Ignorant Columnists don't know tow the Big Boys Play

[JBond]

Who knew that Randy Moss was an old, slow, white WR?





YAKUZA

I was surprised by the white WR comment. As a white man I am very offended. We can catch footballs. Sometimes.

I can also dribble a basketball, sorta.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

You're looking at the smallest sample and making a huge general conclusion.

Furthermore, the Colts trailed by two scores late in the fourth quarter. Their win was predicated on a highly improbable sequence of events. Any conclusion derived solely from that game would be very suspect.

 

[T-RO]

wild claims here that it's not worth addressing them.

No on this topic you are the irrational fundamentalist, proceeding on creeds that are old and tired.

I make "Wild claims?"

I'm the ONLY one talking FACTS.

You've done nothing but sneer and slur which you do yet once again because you have nothing to stand on but your FAITH in the run. FAITH.


I've talked about....
-Yards per play, first downs per play and tds per play in running versus passing
-The prevalence of the pass in the biggest games (80% of plays in this last Super Bowl)
-The prevalence of the pass by the best teams (Steelers, Colts, Patriots, Cards)
-The obvious trends in the NFL game

 

[T-RO]

Furthermore, the Colts trailed by two scores late in the fourth quarter. Their win was predicated on a highly improbable sequence of events. Any conclusion derived solely from that game would be very suspect.

If you've read any of my posts in other threads you would realize I'm the ONLY one talking facts in this debate.

I've brought up measurables not only from this season but over the past five years.

Three examples?
1. The Steelers were 23rd in rushing last year and the Cards dead last 32nd. Where did it get them? Just the Super Bowl.

2. The Colts are undefeated despite averaging 3.9 yards per play this season.

3. Houston is now a top five offense and a winning team. Why? They opened up the offense and let Schaub become a top 10 quarterback.

Want more?

The Steelers, Pats and Colts have been throwing the ball about 60% of the time over the past three seasons...and run a huge percentage of their plays from the shotgun.

 

[tyke1doe]

I was surprised by the white WR comment. As a white man I am very offended. We can catch footballs. Sometimes.

I can also dribble a basketball, sorta.

Can you break dance?

 

[T-RO]

Who knew that Randy Moss was an old, slow, white WR? YAKUZA

Bilichick isn't going to completely abandon athleticism. He stretches the field vertically then underneath he has a supremely precise offense predicated on repeatable route running.

Notice how often the Pats and Colts line up in the shotgun?

 

[ScipioCowboy]

No on this topic you are the irrational fundamentalist, proceeding on creeds that are old and tired.

I make "Wild claims?"

I'm the ONLY one talking FACTS.

You've done nothing but sneer and slur which you do yet once again because you have nothing to stand on but your FAITH in the run. FAITH.

You may have facts, but I wonder if you know what to do with them.

You have a conclusion you want to be true, and you've shaped facts to support it. But science is all about falsification, not confirmation.

 

[T-RO]

This is what really took place on Sunday.

1. A top 5 defense played at home
2. The Packers were playing for their season. We came in fat and happy
3. Roy Williams is getting in the way of our team's goals. Ogletree should be starting
4. The leader of our o-line went down with injury
5. We couldn't run or pass well enough early to get any rhythm or convert a few first downs to get into a flow.

That's what the columnists and fans should be focusing on.

 

[T-RO]

But science is all about falsification, not confirmation.

If you believe that we don't have much to talk about, I don't think. You are kind of proving my point.

This thread is about facts versus a faith (the faith in tenets we hear as little kids growing up about the running game).

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If you've read any of my posts in other threads you would realize I'm the ONLY one talking facts in this debate.

I've brought up measurables not only from this season but over the past five years.

Three examples?
1. The Steelers were 23rd in rushing last year and the Cards dead last 32nd. Where did it get them? Just the Super Bowl.

2. The Colts are undefeated despite averaging 3.9 yards per play this season.

3. Houston is now a top five offense and a winning team. Why? They opened up the offense and let Schaub become a top 10 quarterback.

Want more?

The Steelers, Pats and Colts have been throwing the ball about 60% of the time over the past three seasons...and run a huge percentage of their plays from the shotgun.

It's interesting you mention the Texans. They rank 9th in rushing attempts per game. The Saints rank 3rd in the same category; the Vikings rank 8th; and the Patriots rank 12th. It seems many of the top teams in the league have fairly balanced offenses.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If you believe that we don't have much to talk about, I don't think. You are kind of proving my point.

This thread is about facts versus a faith (the faith in tenets we hear as little kids growing up about the running game).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

 

[JBond]

Sir Karl Raimund Popper, CH, FRS, FBA (28 July 1902 – 17 September 1994) was an Austrian and British philosopher and a professor at the London School of Economics.
He is widely regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century and also wrote extensively on social and political philosophy.

Popper is known for repudiating the classical observationalist/inductivist account of scientific method by advancing empirical falsification instead; for his opposition to the classical justificationist account of knowledge which he replaced with critical rationalism, "the first non justificational philosophy of criticism in the history of philosophy", and for his vigorous defense of liberal democracy and the principles of social criticism that he came to believe made a flourishing "open society" possible.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Sir Karl Raimund Popper, CH, FRS, FBA (28 July 1902 – 17 September 1994) was an Austrian and British philosopher and a professor at the London School of Economics.
He is widely regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century and also wrote extensively on social and political philosophy.

Popper is known for repudiating the classical observationalist/inductivist account of scientific method by advancing empirical falsification instead; for his opposition to the classical justificationist account of knowledge which he replaced with critical rationalism, "the first non justificational philosophy of criticism in the history of philosophy", and for his vigorous defense of liberal democracy and the principles of social criticism that he came to believe made a flourishing "open society" possible.

I love this thread. Where's the Turing, Raphael and Monk expositions? I'm waiting for Matt Damon to post--

"How do you like them apples?"

 

[esloan]

white receivers who aren't particularly fast.

Why did you have to tack on "white" recievers? What does that have to do with it? Why could you not have said "receivers who arent particularly fast"?

What kind of an uproar would it have been had you said "black quarterbacks who aren't particularly intelligent"? Pretty damn big and rightfully so.

Leave race out of it, eh?

 

[TwentyOne]

I may be older than a lot of posters on this board---and older than a lot of the lame Cowboy columnists I read-----but I overtly try to avoid rigid thinking. Only the agile survive and thrive. I can't say i always succeed in staying nimble in my thinking. I sure try.

The NFL is a Not-for-Long league. It is the ultimate Darwinian petri dish--with genetic revisions occurring in hyper speed. If you can't adapt week by week then you'll die. Hold hard to old adages and you just embarrass yourself, looking like the old man sitting in his own pissss.

So here's the deal.

Watch how the champions play. For rapid reading just scan the Colts and Patriots game this past Sunday night. It tells you everything you need to know. These guys have won more games in the past five years than anyone else. Lean from the winners-------or just be a loser.

1. The modern NFL offensive coordinator expects to get 3/4 of their yards, first downs and scores via the pass. 2/3 of the plays are pass plays and running backs are defined as much by their ability to pick up blitzes and catch screen passes as in the ability to run the rock. Talk to the hand--or to the stats and recent Super Bowl trophies. This league is about passing and stopping the pass. Period. End of sentence. End of dialog.

2. 3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. Most running plays are initiated from the shotgun. It's how the best in the business do it. Columnists and fans who think Garrett is too novel or aggressive in this regard just sound like old guys who can't even find their way to their own bathroom. Such fans or writers may be 28 or 38 but in NFL terms they are 98. They are outdated. Obsolete. Their minds are trapped in the football of 10 years ago (which is as different as the football of 50 years ago)

3. Quickness is more important than speed. Intelligence is as important as athleticism. New England has ridiculously old guys and white receivers who aren't particularly fast. The Colts also, interestingly, are more based on precision that speed.

4. The running game is set up by the pass. Play action pass is less important than pass-action-runs.

5. People who think the Cowboys lost Sunday because they didn't run enough are only embarassing themself with their obsolescent thinking. They simply aren't current with how the game works in 2009.

6. People who don't understand Bilichick's decision to go for it on 4th down--simply haven't looked at the conversion rates of NFL teams running 2 minute offenses (the offenses succeed the vast majority of the time). If you think you can milk the clock--you have already lost. Leave it to your defense to give you a stop in the final two minutes---and you'll lose 2/3 of the time. Bilichick is simply far more evolved as an NFL mind than you, me or very mortal columnists who can't buy a clue.

In your point of view you would also tell a 5 year old boy who like to be a 100m sprinter "Look at Usain Bolt and do exactly the same things he does. If you do you will succeed as he does and if you don't you'll never be a sprinter star."

No offense but that's a naive miscalculation.

Sure you can have a look at new trends and common techniques to train and to succeed but most of all you have to look at your own skills and find your own way of how to be the successful

We sure can't appoach our offense like New England or Indi does. Why ? Just because we have no Manning or Brady at QB. We have Romo and we have to appoach our offense the way it suites Romo's skills best (and of course the skills of our other offensive players too).

 

[Hoofbite]

It's interesting you mention the Texans. They rank 9th in rushing attempts per game. The Saints rank 3rd in the same category; the Vikings rank 8th; and the Patriots rank 12th. It seems many of the top teams in the league have fairly balanced offenses.

They most certainly do. It's not coincidence that a good number of top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs last year.

1. Giants
2. Falcons
3. Panthers
4. Ravens
5. Vikings
6. Patriots: Won as many or more games than 3 NFC playoff teams.
7. Titans
8. Commanders: .500 Team
9. Jets: 9-win team.
10. Raiders

The only team that was below .500 was Oakland. That's unreal. I'd say that's probably above the norm but that's just crazy. The teams in red didn't make the playoffs but New England got the 1-in-20 years perfect storm against them and the Jets were in that division as well.

You have to be able to run the ball. If you can't, you're gonna struggle in a few areas with T.O.P being a big one. If you can't control the clock, your entire team suffers. Quick offensive series that go nowhere but defenses in bad spots.

 

[djmajestik]

No, the team that didn't fail on a fourth and two won. The pass/run ratio did not come into it.

BTW, NE failed on a pass. A completed pass. So much for enlightenment.

So to prove his point he shows you 70 plays as to why they did not win, and you try to prove the contrary based on ONE play?? Doesn't add up in my book.

Games are not one or lost on ONE play, and not one or lost on ONE or TWO bad calls by the ref, but by how the game is managed throughout, which is what he was trying to show based on ALL the numbers in the game.

 

[802dave]

If you believe that we don't have much to talk about, I don't think. You are kind of proving my point.

This thread is about facts versus a faith (the faith in tenets we hear as little kids growing up about the running game).

Theoretically, and if you’re playing Madden, you’re probably right and you’ll probably win. Let’s look at reality - Cowboys' reality. The Patriots and Colts are prime examples of how it can work if you have the leadership, personnel, discipline, coordination, and a proven track record; their play demands respect from defenses.

Until the Cowboys prove they have a strong consistent passing attack, and make defenses pay for gambling, your simplistic ideas will fail. Facts are based on results; looking only at the Colts and Patriots doesn't prove anything when talking about the Cowboys!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No on this topic you are the irrational fundamentalist, proceeding on creeds that are old and tired.

I make "Wild claims?"

I'm the ONLY one talking FACTS.

You've done nothing but sneer and slur which you do yet once again because you have nothing to stand on but your FAITH in the run. FAITH.


I've talked about....
-Yards per play, first downs per play and tds per play in running versus passing
-The prevalence of the pass in the biggest games (80% of plays in this last Super Bowl)
-The prevalence of the pass by the best teams (Steelers, Colts, Patriots, Cards)
-The obvious trends in the NFL game

Yes, you've "talked" about them, but you've hardly proven anything.

I want to see hard evidence of your claim that "3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. " You can't do it, because we don't even know who the elite teams are at this point. Were the Giants an elite team two years ago? I doubt you'd have said so in late November of '07. If you have evidence showing they were in the shotgun 75% of the time, I'd love to see it, because I don't remember it that way. Or was 2007 long enough ago that we were still in Woody Hayes-think?

Yes, modern rules -- or rule enforcements -- have definitely encouraged the pass moreso than in years past. But it's still football. The game hasn't changed as much as you claim.

Finally, if you want a real debate, lose the very angry and confrontational tone.

 

[802dave]

Yes, you've "talked" about them, but you've hardly proven anything.

I want to see hard evidence of your claim that "3/4 of all elite team's plays are run from the shotgun. " You can't do it, because we don't even know who the elite teams are at this point. Were the Giants an elite team two years ago? I doubt you'd have said so in late November of '07. If you have evidence showing they were in the shotgun 75% of the time, I'd love to see it, because I don't remember it that way. Or was 2007 long enough ago that we were still in Woody Hayes-think?

Yes, modern rules -- or rule enforcements -- have definitely encouraged the pass moreso than in years past. But it's still football. The game hasn't changed as much as you claim.

Finally, if you want a real debate, lose the very angry and confrontational tone.

Amen! Acts like he's the bottomline source of facts...