Ike Taylor and MJD discuss Elliott vs Gurley

[Tass]

Cuz he's gonna be a roofless villain. I tried to embed the video, but no...

 

[Risen Star]

No wonder I've been hearing it.

I don't mind it. As long as he doesn't die of AIDS.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, but that dude is funny. Seems like a fun guy to be around.

Yeah, at the risk of highjacking the presidential campaign slogan... I like Ike.

 

[AsthmaField]

I think.....

Gurley's career will be much like Stephen Jackson's.

Elliott's career will be much like Ladanian Tomlinson's.

Here's to you being right about that. Cheers.

 

[AsthmaField]

His nickname is Freekey Zeekey......dipset, dipset, dipset!

 

[AsthmaField]

Emmitt's total career yards rushing will never be broken, but I believe Emmitt's greatest strength was his vision. Finding a hole in the line and anticipating a hit require the same gift - vision. If EzE has it we'll see how much meat was "left on them bones."

Elliott aka "Easy E" 100% has great vision. It is one of the things that I liked most about him as a prospect and it is why, IMO, he has a chance to be better than Gurley even though Easy isn't quite the freak athlete that Gurley is.

 

[AsthmaField]

Zeke the Freak is beyond terrible

Terrible. Funny... but just awful.

Easy E I like.

 

[AsthmaField]

Yes, Gurley was dominant. Until defenses realized the Rams had no passing threat, then they started loading the box. That's why his production declined.

Similar to how defenses approached the Cowboys last year, but our OL is so good, we got the yards anyway.

Football is, after all, the ultimate team sport. Gotta have help from your team mates.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yes, Gurley was dominant. Until defenses realized the Rams had no passing threat, then they started loading the box. That's why his production declined.

Similar to how defenses approached the Cowboys last year, but our OL is so good, we got the yards anyway.

So, "studs" now need a passing threat to produce?

A good write up on him: https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/6968/why-todd-gurley-s-current-struggles-make-sense#

"Studs" produce despite the lack of talent around them. I'm not even saying Gurley is a bad RB, but when people start to talk about him like he'll be on the level of Peterson/Lynch, I better start seeing him produce despite the lack of talent around him.

 

[Vinnie2u]

"Zeke the freak" or "Zeke Mode"

Zeus cause people round here are already putting him on top of Mount Olympus...

 

[percyhoward]

So, "studs" now need a passing threat to produce?

A good write up on him: https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/6968/why-todd-gurley-s-current-struggles-make-sense#

"Studs" produce despite the lack of talent around them. I'm not even saying Gurley is a bad RB, but when people start to talk about him like he'll be on the level of Peterson/Lynch, I better start
seeing him produce despite the lack of talent around him.

Gurley's not Peterson (yet), but
that's the reason his numbers
"seemed to fall off." Defenses didn't have to play honest. Gurley's numbers will get a lot better if Goff is decent.

Check Peterson's TD totals in the red zone with Favre. Peterson's no less of a stud now (4 TD in 2015) then he was then (12 TD in 2009).

 

[Hoofbite]

As much as I wanted Todd Gurley last year, Gurley didn't have nearly the track record that Elliott had in College.

I say that for a couple reasons.

Gurley's best year was his rookie year and he got progressively worse production as his college career went on, even if he was becoming a better player at the time. He just couldn't stay healthy and we saw that again last year in his pro rookie year.

Gurley was a 3 years starter, where Elliott was a two year starter and Elliott still came away with more yards and touchdowns.

Zeke just strikes me as far more consistent a player.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zeke has 10 games for 100+ yards rushing next year, where Gurley had 5 his rookie year.

You give far too much credit to college performance.

 

[mattjames2010]

Gurley's not Peterson (yet), but
that's the reason his numbers
"seemed to fall off." Defenses didn't have to play honest. Gurley's numbers will get a lot better if Goff is decent.

Check Peterson's TD totals in the red zone with Favre. Peterson's no less of a stud now (4 TD in 2015) then he was then (12 TD in 2009).

Yes, but Peterson doesn't have a fall off where he goes from averaging 5-6 yards down to 2-3. Peterson has dealt with bad QBs in the backfield nearly his entire career and nearly broke the rushing record and still maintains double digit TDs year in and year out.

If Gurley needs a good QB in the backfield and talent surrounding him, then he's another Steven Jackson for the Rams. Good RB? Sure. He'll be reliable. But I hold off on the "stud" talk until proven otherwise, because his rookie year was filled with highlights and an awful lot of low lights.

 

[SportsGuru80]

I personally like Elliotts running style better but Gurley is a monster...

 

[robbieruff]

Zeke.

Lol

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Emmitt's total career yards rushing will never be broken, but I believe Emmitt's greatest strength was his vision. Finding a hole in the line and anticipating a hit require the same gift - vision. If EzE has it we'll see how much meat was "left on them bones."

I think it was his balance and his rare ability to stay relatively healthy over a long period of time. I mean, Emmitt had great vision but it wasn't better then other backs that played, even in the same era. His balance, together with his ability to make himself small really allowed him to be an effective inside runner and a guy who, even though he really didn't have very good speed, was able to bounce it outside and get the edge. Coupled with the ability to just put a lot of games together over 14 seasons at one of the most physical position on the field is just rare. Even the great ones don't play that long at RB in most cases. If you look at the top 20 all time rushers in the history of the game, the only one on that list who played longer is Marcus Allen, 15 seasons and really, that's kinda deceptive. There were three seasons with the Raiders where he had less then 70 carries the entire season because Al Davis basically benched him. The only other back with Emmitt's longevity was John Riggins but Riggins also had 1493 fewer carries over the course of those 14 seasons.

I guess there are a lot of great things you could point to, where Emmitt is concerned. Guess that's why he was great.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So, "studs" now need a passing threat to produce?

A good write up on him: https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/6968/why-todd-gurley-s-current-struggles-make-sense#

"Studs" produce despite the lack of talent around them. I'm not even saying Gurley is a bad RB, but when people start to talk about him like he'll be on the level of Peterson/Lynch, I better start seeing him produce despite the lack of talent around him.

Same can be said about Zeke and if you watched Gurley last year, its hard to argue that he didn't produce, despite the Offensive talent around him. Maybe you did see it but you just weren't paying attention?

 

[mattjames2010]

Same can be said about Zeke and if you watched Gurley last year, its hard to argue that he didn't produce, despite the Offensive talent around him. Maybe you did see it but you just weren't paying attention?

After week 8

89 yards, 3.7 YPC
45 yards, 3.8 YPC
66 yards, 2.6 YPC
19 yards, 2.1 YPC
41 yards (had a 34 yard gain), 4.5 YPC
140 yards, 8.8 YPC
48 yards, 2.3 YPC
83 yards, 4.4 YPC

Out of the 12 games he played, he had 5 impressive games. The rest were either average to pretty bad. So no, I'm not entirely impressed with his first season since he hit a massive slump after his streak. It has nothing to do with him not racking up more 100 yard games, it's the drastic drop in what he did on even limited carries.

This is still wait and see with Gurley for me. I still expect the kid to be bogged down by injuries throughout his career like he was ever since high school.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Zeus cause people round here are already putting him on top of Mount Olympus...

Agreed, and all these cats that are saying he is going to be our savior and take us to the SB are putting undo pressure on him. If Romo goes down or he gets nicked up its going to be a frustrating season for him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

After week 8

89 yards, 3.7 YPC
45 yards, 3.8 YPC
66 yards, 2.6 YPC
19 yards, 2.1 YPC
41 yards (had a 34 yard gain), 4.5 YPC
140 yards, 8.8 YPC
48 yards, 2.3 YPC
83 yards, 4.4 YPC

Out of the 12 games he played, he had 5 impressive games. The rest were either average to pretty bad. So no, I'm not entirely impressed with his first season since he hit a massive slump after his streak. It has nothing to do with him not racking up more 100 yard games, it's the drastic drop in what he did on even limited carries.

This is still wait and see with Gurley for me. I still expect the kid to be bogged down by injuries throughout his career like he was ever since high school.

If you are not sold on Gurley then you are just one of those guys that cant see the forest through the trees. Gurley played on a bad team with a poor line and no QB or passing game to offset anything. The guy is a complete stud, but he doesnt have the offense, QB, or line that Zeke will have here.