Iloka versus Thomas

[buybuydandavis]

There was reports that Seattle was interested in Iloka as well.

Which leads me to believe that they are preparing for a season without Earl Thomas.

That's an interesting piece of the puzzle.

 

[J12B]

That's an interesting piece of the puzzle.

It certainly would be an interesting turn of events if Seattle nabbed him.

But I've seen the Raiders and Chargers being interested as well.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

I'll regurgitate my question I've asked before l so that people understand what they're actually choosing between.

A) Earl Thomas
B) Iloka, a player with a salary of roughly $8M AAV-Lael Collins, and Michael Gallup

 

[buybuydandavis]

I suspect not. Richard has been given the leeway to put his stamp on the secondary. Hence Jones going back to CB. It was Marinelli who thought he could be a safety/hybrid player.

Richard is carving out defined roles and I have little doubt he sees Heath as a SS, not a FS. Again, FS is a primary role in this defense so I really doubt that they would take their best FS and move him to SS to accommodate what they feel is an inferior player in Woods at FS.

It makes zero sense.

*They* might think Woods is better at FS than Heath, or they may be giving the push to the
younger guy over the older guy.

And they might really like Heath-SS, Woods-FS over Heath-FS, Woods-SS if Heath is marginally better at FS but much better at SS.

The math isn't complicated.

And that was all likely well before Richard showed up.

 

[Sydla]

*They* might think Woods is better at FS than Heath, or they may be giving the push to the
younger guy over the older guy.

And they might really like Heath-SS, Woods-FS over Heath-FS, Woods-SS if Heath is marginally better at FS but much better at SS.

The math isn't complicated.

And that was all likely well before Richard showed up.

Well at this point, I have to believe "they" know better than the Heath Fan Club charter members who think Heath is this great FS.

And that if Heath moves to FS now, it's a move out of need pure and simple.

It's funny that you say the math isn't complicated and then go through a mish mash of ways Heath at SS makes sense even though he's the best FS. If the math was simple, then Heath is at SS because he's not as good a FS as Woods in their eyes. That's the simple, uncomplicated math.

 

[LatinMind]

Position:
Thomas: Free Safety
Iloka: Strong Safety

Size:
Thomas: 5’10, 202
Iloka: 6’4” 225

2018 PFF rating:
Thomas: 90.2
Iloka: 71.4

2018 salary hit:
Thomas: $8.5 mil
Ikola: Unknown. Will be free agent. I project $2.5-3.5 mil

LongTerm Commitment to Aging Player:
Thomas more likely requires huge-dollar long-term deal.
Iloka might not require a long-term commitment. Could be one-year.

Age:
Thomas 29.2 yrs
Ikola: 28.1 yrs

Recent Durability:
Thomas: late 2016 broken leg
Ikola: Started Last 76 games

Comparing the two is night and day. And its really easy to call....EARL THOMAS.

Dallas doesnt need a SS. Heath and Frazier are locks.

Woods isnt going to miss significant time, I can see Byron Jones going to FS for a few weeks. If Woods injury was worse than it is, then i think we would see Earl Thomas trade happen. But since he's only questionable as a week 1(most likely doubtful) i see Jones make a start or 2 at FS.

/thread

 

[LittleD]

You act like it’s coming out of your pocket. Have fun with 8-8 again.

We have Dak and Lawrence to sign next year and Zeke coming up the year after. Why invest in a 29 year old safety when we can grow one up
that's paid much, much less. I subscribe to Stephen's moneyball method myself.

 

[Sydla]

Comparing the two is night and day. And its really easy to call....EARL THOMAS.

Dallas doesnt need a SS. Heath and Frazier are locks.

Woods isnt going to miss significant time, I can see Byron Jones going to FS for a few weeks. If Woods injury was worse than it is, then i think we would see Earl Thomas trade happen. But since he's only questionable as a week 1(most likely doubtful) i see Jones make a start or 2 at FS.

/thread

If the Cowboys move Jones to FS, even for a couple of games, that's silly but honestly, typical for this franchise. Finally have yourself two high performing outside CBs but because of roster mismanagement, let's move one to another position for a few games to cover up our screw ups.

And given our history of guys with hamstring injuries, just assuming Woods will be fine probably is a risky assumption. These things can linger way past their allotted recovery time and recurring injury is a real threat.

You really going to risk the defense on the hope Woods hammy is just minor and that we can play Jones at FS whenever we need to?

 

[T-RO]

Comparing the two is night and day. And its really easy to call....EARL THOMAS.

Dallas doesnt need a SS. Heath and Frazier are locks.

Woods isnt going to miss significant time, I can see Byron Jones going to FS for a few weeks. If Woods injury was worse than it is, then i think we would see Earl Thomas trade happen. But since he's only questionable as a week 1(most likely doubtful) i see Jones make a start or 2 at FS.

/thread

Player versus player...which one is better.... it’s easy, but it’s not that simple. As for moving Jones over to FS...no thank you.

We have depth needs no matter what.

 

[Sydla]

Player versus player...which one is better.... it’s easy, but it’s not that simple. As for moving Jones over to FS...no thank you.

We have depth needs no matter what.

Yep. Move Jones to FS means you have to likely play Brown outside at CB now.

So instead of being good at CB (Jones) and maybe mediocre at FS (Heath or whomever you sign), you go mediocre at outside CB (Brown) and mediocre at FS (Jones).

Doesn't make much sense. The FO needs to admit their mistakes and try to correct it here. But they are stubborn, they always have been.

 

[Stash]

 

[cristglo]

So is it over or under that Dallas makes a move at the safety position this week?

 

[Sydla]

So is it over or under that Dallas makes a move at the safety position this week?

I put the odds at them adding a safety this week at 25%.

And of that 25% chance of them adding a safety, I'd say there is a 90% chance it's nothing but a retread backup that either no one has heard of or is well past his prime.

 

[LittleD]

So is it over or under that Dallas makes a move at the safety position this week?

I'd take the under. They will add 1 needs be during the last cut down or 1 week later after the PS's are set around the league. That's the time to get a pretty good young player.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Well at this point, I have to believe "they" know better than the Heath Fan Club charter members who think Heath is this great FS.

And that if Heath moves to FS now, it's a move out of need pure and simple.

It's funny that you say the math isn't complicated and then go through a mish mash of ways Heath at SS makes sense even though he's the best FS. If the math was simple, then Heath is at SS because he's not as good a FS as Woods in their eyes. That's the simple, uncomplicated math.

I don't have to think that the coaching staff knows better than me, and I don't have to think that their only consideration in deciding who to play where is "Who is the best player at that position?"

 

[Sydla]

I don't have to think that the coaching staff knows better than me, and I don't have to think that their only consideration in deciding who to play where is "Who is the best player at that position?"

I think when the FS position is a vital position in the defense they want to play, yes, who the best FS on the team is would be a pretty vital question they would ask.

Your argument seems to be that they aren't playing their best FS at FS because they want to use his skills at the lesser important SS position because he's a bit better at SS than anyone else.

That makes zero sense. I'll say it again. The Jeff Heath phenomenon is one the most unique things in recent years about the Cowboys. The guy is an average NFL safety. That's it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Your argument seems to be that they aren't playing their best FS at FS because they want to use his skills at the lesser important SS position because he's a bit better at SS than anyone else.

That makes zero sense. I'll say it again.

It makes perfect sense. Life is full of tradeoffs. I'm done drawing diagrams over it.

 

[Sydla]

It makes perfect sense. Life is full of tradeoffs. I'm done drawing diagrams over it.

Only in the head of a Jeff Heath lover does that make sense. You openly admit that Heath isn't the best SS so he's likely not that much of an upgrade over Woods, if Woods played SS. On the flipside, you seemingly claim he's easily the best FS on the team.

But according to you, it makes perfect sense that at the more important safety position, the Cowboys would play the safety who isn't even close to Heath and then shift Heath over to SS, where he's likely not a whole lot better than the other guys.

What's at play here is that the Heath fan club often has trouble accepting reality so they go into bizarre rationalizations. And the reality is Heath is a limited safety who the team thinks isn't as good as Woods at FS. It makes zero sense that the Cowboys would not play their best FS at FS.

So really the only conclusion here must be that Richard is stupid.

 

[Sarge]

Neither will happen. Not worth a debate.

Yep.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Only in the head of a Jeff Heath lover does that make sense. You openly admit that Heath isn't the best SS so he's likely not that much of an upgrade over Woods, if Woods played SS. On the flipside, you seemingly claim he's easily the best FS on the team.

But according to you, it makes perfect sense that at the more important safety position, the Cowboys would play the safety who isn't even close to Heath and then shift Heath over to SS, where he's likely not a whole lot better than the other guys.

What's at play here is that the Heath fan club often has trouble accepting reality so they go into bizarre rationalizations. And the reality is Heath is a limited safety who the team thinks isn't as good as Woods at FS. It makes zero sense that the Cowboys would not play their best FS at FS.

So really the only conclusion here must be that Richard is stupid.

Your hallucinations are noted.