I'm afraid J. Ireland was mistakenly overwhelmed with Stanback

dbair1967;1689819 said:
ditto

what a ridiculous post

did that guy expect a 4th rd pick coming in and making a position change (and coming off a major injury) to win a starting job and catch 60 ball for a 1000 yds this yr?

David
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In my OWN PERFECT LITTLE WORLD i know i did :D
 
igtmfo;1689843 said:
If you have no position, you have to something on special teams, especially as a rookie? Carp even has to do something nowadays ...

Stanbacks' Lisfranc injury (?) is healed mostly, from what I understand.

I wonder if Stanback has stood out at V Ranch practices at receiver ... maybe we're sandbagging him .... (I really hope so .... :)

But I'm afraid he was drafted as a kind of 4th round version of D. Hester, to correct BP's mistake of Skyler Green ...

No problem .... Stanback's a good, smart and funny guy in interviews so I don't want to diminish him too much ...

Look he's healthy now and an awesome athlete, the reason we picked him. If so, we have to get him on the field, right? He's a big fairly stout guy and could at least get the field ahead of special teamers: Justin Rogers, Evan Oglesby etc. etc. ***??? ...

Sam Hurd is a special teams standout, both sides. If Stanback could do anything close, or contribute anything, wouldn't he be active?

From now on, I'm afraid all draft picks should be blamed on Larry Lacewell. Jerry is a fool to even let this guy into the building (I hear LL is a fine guy and storyteller, and will cover your drinking tab ... but he IS the reason we've been in the freaking ditch for the last 10 years ...)
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Rogers and Oglesby will be on the inactive list too, unless their are more injuries. They actually have depth at wr and kick off returners which is why he's inactive in the first place.
 
which WR you gonna make inactive to get Stanback on the active list?
 
We were aware of how raw Stanback was as a WR when we took him. Because of that, I really don't think Valley Ranch is expecting much out of Stanback this year. If...by some chance, he does contribute during the course of the year, great.
 
Whew...I was sweating non stop, pacing back and forth in my room, thinking about this. What would the world be if we didn't have you to give us the keys to the universe and able to unlock it's mysteries!

Now, what is the secret to Rice Krispies???


igtmfo;1689784 said:
Loving me boys now I don't want to be critical ... but I'm afraid we whiffed with Isaiah Stanback.

Stanback reminds me of Antonio Bryant. Both are the most impressive guys you've ever seen on the field, the definition of "dynamic" ... if you watch them casually on your couch, both seem to be awesome athletes and just be quick in all their movements and kick ***, but ..

But A. Bryant's dynamics, just looking like the best athlete on the field when he would run a pattern ... it was quickness that didn't really translate into anything. Not good functional speed. He was a thick guy, his movements weren't too "linear" down the field ... there was lots of wasted motion. A. Bryant would never be "open" but have DBs blanketing him. (Maybe he had no moves or savvy ...) On the other hand, think the Indy Colts tall, upfield-linear-speed guys (what am I saying? :)) and you see guys with no wasted movement just slipping upfield like razors. Scheme and coaching?

I'm afraid that Jeff Ireland fell in love with Stanback, and Ireland saw him as a possible special athlete ... but if he was a fantastic pure speed/athlete/doing anything on special teams, or had any special talent even as a gunner ... or anything worthy of a draft choice, he would be out there nowadays, don't you think .... Yeah I know Stanback ran a 4.3 or 4.4 but ...

Ireland wasn't here when we took Crayton I think ... he was a unlikely body type for a receiver, like Stanback, but Crayton must have been a pure lucky find in the "local" predraft prospects day and contradicts all I'm saying :) .. did anybody scout SW Okla. or wherever Crayton was from?

Now Jacoby Jones at Houston, 3rd round, may amount to something ... :)
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Hey Zrinkill:

By the first day of veterans' minicamps in 2004, coaches all said that Crayton ALREADY (he had been in rookie camp a couple of weeks ?) had the best hands of any receiver on the team (and the veteran receivers were oohing and aahing ... watching practices ...)....

Drinking beers tonight so I can't remember who was even a receiver then .. T. Glenn and other spares maybe?
 
igtmfo;1689907 said:
Hey Zrinkill:

By the first day of veterans' minicamps in 2004, coaches all said that Crayton ALREADY (he had been in rookie camp a couple of weeks ?) had the best hands of any receiver on the team (and the veteran receivers were oohing and aahing ... watching practices ...)....

Drinking beers tonight so I can't remember who was even a receiver then .. T. Glenn and other spares maybe?
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Hey Ignmofo:

Crayton was not injured during the minicamps either was he? Stanback was drafted when they new he was injured ..... And they where still scared to put him on the practice squad because they new some team would pick him up.

;)
 
igtmfo;1689784 said:
Loving me boys now I don't want to be critical ... but I'm afraid we whiffed with Isaiah Stanback.

Stanback reminds me of Antonio Bryant. Both are the most impressive guys you've ever seen on the field, the definition of "dynamic" ... if you watch them casually on your couch, both seem to be awesome athletes and just be quick in all their movements and kick ***, but ..

But A. Bryant's dynamics, just looking like the best athlete on the field when he would run a pattern ... it was quickness that didn't really translate into anything. Not good functional speed. He was a thick guy, his movements weren't too "linear" down the field ... there was lots of wasted motion. A. Bryant would never be "open" but have DBs blanketing him. (Maybe he had no moves or savvy ...) On the other hand, think the Indy Colts tall, upfield-linear-speed guys (what am I saying? :)) and you see guys with no wasted movement just slipping upfield like razors. Scheme and coaching?

I'm afraid that Jeff Ireland fell in love with Stanback, and Ireland saw him as a possible special athlete ... but if he was a fantastic pure speed/athlete/doing anything on special teams, or had any special talent even as a gunner ... or anything worthy of a draft choice, he would be out there nowadays, don't you think .... Yeah I know Stanback ran a 4.3 or 4.4 but ...

Ireland wasn't here when we took Crayton I think ... he was a unlikely body type for a receiver, like Stanback, but Crayton must have been a pure lucky find in the "local" predraft prospects day and contradicts all I'm saying :) .. did anybody scout SW Okla. or wherever Crayton was from?

Now Jacoby Jones at Houston, 3rd round, may amount to something ... :)
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BrAinPaiNt;1689925 said:
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bwahahahaha:lmao: :lmao2: :laugh2: :bow:

to the original poster...slow down or speed up... the time to debate this was before the 53 or next TC...for the here and now they decided to keep him on the 53 to develope him and he has a.. l o n g way to go before he is ready to hit the field as a WR...
 
igtmfo;1689784 said:
Loving me boys now I don't want to be critical ... but I'm afraid we whiffed with Isaiah Stanback.

Stanback reminds me of Antonio Bryant. Both are the most impressive guys you've ever seen on the field, the definition of "dynamic" ... if you watch them casually on your couch, both seem to be awesome athletes and just be quick in all their movements and kick ***, but ..

But A. Bryant's dynamics, just looking like the best athlete on the field when he would run a pattern ... it was quickness that didn't really translate into anything. Not good functional speed. He was a thick guy, his movements weren't too "linear" down the field ... there was lots of wasted motion. A. Bryant would never be "open" but have DBs blanketing him. (Maybe he had no moves or savvy ...) On the other hand, think the Indy Colts tall, upfield-linear-speed guys (what am I saying? :)) and you see guys with no wasted movement just slipping upfield like razors. Scheme and coaching?

I'm afraid that Jeff Ireland fell in love with Stanback, and Ireland saw him as a possible special athlete ... but if he was a fantastic pure speed/athlete/doing anything on special teams, or had any special talent even as a gunner ... or anything worthy of a draft choice, he would be out there nowadays, don't you think .... Yeah I know Stanback ran a 4.3 or 4.4 but ...

Ireland wasn't here when we took Crayton I think ... he was a unlikely body type for a receiver, like Stanback, but Crayton must have been a pure lucky find in the "local" predraft prospects day and contradicts all I'm saying :) .. did anybody scout SW Okla. or wherever Crayton was from?

Now Jacoby Jones at Houston, 3rd round, may amount to something ... :)
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I dont think Stanback has played 1 snap this year, but you already know he is a bust???

How???

:bang2:
 
I am definitely not going to blast you here as others have but I'll offer some thoughts both ways.

Stanbeck vs. Bryant. Honestly, I just do not see the comparison at all. Bryant was a polished WR with attitude and quickness issues. Stanbeck is a super athlete with receiver skill issues.

The league is looking everywhere for WR's. Teams are running more and more 3 and 4 WR sets. The league is a full-fledged passing league now where runs are called to keep you honest but teams pass to score. And our team as in desperate need of WR help down the line with both Glenn and T.O. being on the wrong side of 30.

There is a very real possibility Ireland outsmarted himself. While it is pretty meaningless that Stanbeck has been inactive thus far it is a long term concern that he apparently needs to make it to 3rd WR status to be active because his special teams roles are non-existent. You don't have a 4th WR active without some ST duties.

All that said Stanbeck has T.O. potential. He is near that size and could add some strength. He has very good speed and strength numbers.

That type of potential in round 4 is why you overlook the injury, the lack of experience at WR, the lack of special teams play. There are a growing number of good WRs who played QB in college: Drew Bennett, Hines Ward, Randel El et al. These guys generally are more aware than the average WR and they offer athleticism in either great size or great quickness.
 
You're kidding right? I hear he's dominating TO as a cornerback.
 
I'm starting to question drafting a guy without a defined position as well, I'm not saying Stanback is a bust but it's spreading yourself thin when drafting a guy who probably won't even take a snap in 2007.

***Oh the comparison to Bryant was horrible though...
 
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ThreeSportStar80;1689980 said:
I'm starting to question drafting a guy without a defined position as well, I'm not saying Stanback is a bust but it's spreading yourself thin when drafting a guy who probably won't even take a snap in 2007.

***Oh the comparison to Bryant was horrible though...
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He has a definded position.... WR.... We have plenty of depth and we do not need him at all.. I mean what do you expect from a 4th rd pick... Hes a project and I suspect by this time next year were going to be praising Ireland for taking the next TO or maybe the lesser Hines Ward... Geesh....
 
igtmfo;1689784 said:
Loving me boys now I don't want to be critical ... but I'm afraid we whiffed with Isaiah Stanback.

Stanback reminds me of Antonio Bryant. Both are the most impressive guys you've ever seen on the field, the definition of "dynamic" ... if you watch them casually on your couch, both seem to be awesome athletes and just be quick in all their movements and kick ***, but ..

But A. Bryant's dynamics, just looking like the best athlete on the field when he would run a pattern ... it was quickness that didn't really translate into anything. Not good functional speed. He was a thick guy, his movements weren't too "linear" down the field ... there was lots of wasted motion. A. Bryant would never be "open" but have DBs blanketing him. (Maybe he had no moves or savvy ...) On the other hand, think the Indy Colts tall, upfield-linear-speed guys (what am I saying? :)) and you see guys with no wasted movement just slipping upfield like razors. Scheme and coaching?

I'm afraid that Jeff Ireland fell in love with Stanback, and Ireland saw him as a possible special athlete ... but if he was a fantastic pure speed/athlete/doing anything on special teams, or had any special talent even as a gunner ... or anything worthy of a draft choice, he would be out there nowadays, don't you think .... Yeah I know Stanback ran a 4.3 or 4.4 but ...

Ireland wasn't here when we took Crayton I think ... he was a unlikely body type for a receiver, like Stanback, but Crayton must have been a pure lucky find in the "local" predraft prospects day and contradicts all I'm saying :) .. did anybody scout SW Okla. or wherever Crayton was from?

Now Jacoby Jones at Houston, 3rd round, may amount to something ... :)
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ZZZZ.. You can't be serious. :rolleyes: The typical rule of thumb is to give a rookie 3 years to prove himself. You have 2 and 3/4 more years to go...
 
igtmfo;1689784 said:
Loving me boys now I don't want to be critical ... but I'm afraid we whiffed with Isaiah Stanback.
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There's a case of premature evaluation if I've ever seen one...

Why are some people on this board constantly in a hurry to label some rookie a "bust"??
 
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