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Every year no matter who was at QB, Parcells always blames the o-line but hasn't really addressed that issue like it should of been.
I don't agree that he hasn't addressed it, things just haven't worked out to plan. Before this season, nobody would have guessed that our OL of Flozell, Allen, Johnson/Gurode, Rivera, and the rapidly improving Jacob Rogers would end up being as bad as it is now. Our centers and Rivera have been average, Rogers and Flozell are hurt, and suddenly our OL is crap again. It sucks, but you can't say the issue wasn't addressed. If they stayed healthy, things would be very different for us right now.
And to make it worse, We got out and sign immoblie QB's to play behind our medicore lines.
Vinny never had a chance, but Bledsoe has proven to be a stud when the OL holds up. Again, you can't really say they haven't tried to shore that area up.
 

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Nav22 said:
I don't agree that he hasn't addressed it, things just haven't worked out to plan. Before this season, nobody would have guessed that our OL of Flozell, Allen, Johnson/Gurode, Rivera, and the rapidly improving Jacob Rogers would end up being as bad as it is now. Our centers and Rivera have been average, Rogers and Flozell are hurt, and suddenly our OL is crap again. It sucks, but you can't say the issue wasn't addressed. If they stayed healthy, things would be very different for us right now.

Vinny never had a chance, but Bledsoe has proven to be a stud when the OL holds up. Again, you can't really say they haven't tried to shore that area up.

yes he has tried to address it but has failed miserbly for 3 years now. Especially on the right side. Our running game has been crap all year before the injuries because the line has no chemistry to create running lanes.

It's just fustrating because the type of game that parcells plays hinges on the play of the o-line. Ball control and time of possession. This year he left us thin on the o-line to beef up the defense. And now it's coming back to haunt him.
 

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Juke99 said:
AND that he thought it was possible that Parcells was "punishing" his players.

Didn't he punish this team enough with his game planning??
I don't know what you gain from a 35-7 hiney whoopin', but hey if it makes the fat old guy happy OK.
 

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Quincy Carter can't get a SNIFF of the NFL right now.

You just near killed me with this line. It seems to be the only thing he can't get a "sniff" of lately.

:lmao2:
 

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All I know, is if Saturday's game goes like I think it will, I hope to see Romo come in by the third quarter. Who cares if Bledsoe wants to stay in the game? Let's get our young QB some real playing time.
 

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Come on people are just choked that the BOYS laid an EGG and are looking to stir things up.... Can these people provide a link? I doubt it, dont feed the fish

It's one thing to have wanted BP out for the past 2 years. Some have never liked the guy but to do a 180 like so many have after an azz woopin' is a little much.

Ya, who wouldn't want C. Weiss? Half the league would. Be careful what you wish for. We are a better team than last year. If some set their expectations higher than they should have, than so be it.

I don't really know what people expect. We are playing probably the youngest defense in the league and on offense we have an OL that may be worse than the Texans.
 

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Maybe Parcells was thinking of putting Romo in. But then maybe after seeing the way our OL was doing everything it could to make sure Bledsoe got abused and our running would not work that Parcells let Bledsoe stay in.

Maybe it was not Bledsoe who talked Parcells into it. Maybe it was Parcells did not want to bring Romo into his 1st NFL game to something like that where the man had no protection at all. Maybe he was letting Bledsoe have his way so Romo didnt get totally ruined out there.

Im pretty sure if we were losing to a crappy team with no pass rush..you know a pass rush almost as bad as ours...that Parcells woulda let Romo play.


Parcells woulda been crazy to send Romo in there with the ZERO protection our OL was giving.

Do some of you even THINK??????
The kid is in his 3rd year in the NFL....I don't care what the situation is...he's not a freakin' rookie in diapers. He's the backup QB...he's supposed to go in the game, any game, and do what he gets paid to do.

We've been carrying these two, Romo and Henson, for quite a while now without putting them in any game, not when the situation is perfect and not when it's rough...so when do we play them? 5 years into the league, it would be the same excuse...can't put him into such a rough situation with no experience.

No offense intended, but a 3rd year guy should be able to be thrown in at any time...we have very little money or high hope in Romo...he's the kind of guy that you're supposed to throw to the wolves to protect your valued and high paid starter in a game like Sunday's....Just my opinion.
 

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Sarge said:
It's one thing to have wanted BP out for the past 2 years. Some have never liked the guy but to do a 180 like so many have after an azz woopin' is a little much.

Ya, who wouldn't want C. Weiss? Half the league would. Be careful what you wish for. We are a better team than last year. If some set their expectations higher than they should have, than so be it.

I don't really know what people expect. We are playing probably the youngest defense in the league and on offense we have an OL that may be worse than the Texans.


Morning stinky.

I'm in the former group...I saw the roster Parcells put together last year and gave up on the guy. Oh, I root against myself every game...but for the past two years, I've lost faith in the guy.

Yes we are better than last year...because that roster was putrid.

I think the D has played well up until the last month or so...I still question the switch to the 3-4, when the talent we have SCREAMS that we should be running a 4-3. As an aside, it's the most vanilla 3-4 I've ever seen....but alot of that has to do with Ware's inexperience.

The offense is a mess...the line stinks....the WR's are old....the QB needs the Great Wall of China in front of him for pass protection or he's in trouble.

"You are what your record says you are"...Parcells with Dallas, 24-23....ya don't pay a guy 5 mil per season for that.
 

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Quit the crap, not one quarterback currently or formally of this league could have played well behind that line Sunday, NOT ONE. If anyone can not see the achiles heel of this team they are one of two things, completely ignorant of how football is played or blind.

The way that Oline played Sunday was the single worst outing I have ever witnessed from an oline in all the time I've ever watched football. Parcells should scrap all goddang five of them and start fresh this next offseason. NOT one of them deserves a free ticket next year! Not even Larry anymore.
 

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Juke99 said:
Morning stinky.

I'm in the former group...I saw the roster Parcells put together last year and gave up on the guy. Oh, I root against myself every game...but for the past two years, I've lost faith in the guy.

Yes we are better than last year...because that roster was putrid.

I think the D has played well up until the last month or so...I still question the switch to the 3-4, when the talent we have SCREAMS that we should be running a 4-3. As an aside, it's the most vanilla 3-4 I've ever seen....but alot of that has to do with Ware's inexperience.

The offense is a mess...the line stinks....the WR's are old....the QB needs the Great Wall of China in front of him for pass protection or he's in trouble.

"You are what your record says you are"...Parcells with Dallas, 24-23....ya don't pay a guy 5 mil per season for that.

...and good morning to you too Sally.

As you know, I'm actually in the former group as well, but now that he is here, I guess I'm supporting the old fart. We have a weird team here, really young on defense and the offense is truly a mess in many facets.

There is so much work to do. I guess I'm just not real surprised at this weekends woopin'. My expectations have been met - we are exactly where I thought we'd be.

Parcells took over a team that quite frankly, I wouldn't want to even consider if I were a coach.

Nope, I never wanted BP here but now that he is, I'll root for the guy and honestly, it's not that hard to do when I think of the poodle standing there in his stead only 3 years ago.

Patience my friends. BP took over a team with about 5 legit starters and that includes BOTH sides of the ball.

My main gripe in all of this is not grooming AND PLAYING a young QB. We'll address that another day/time.
 

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Sarge said:
...and good morning to you too Sally.

As you know, I'm actually in the former group as well, but now that he is here, I guess I'm supporting the old fart. We have a weird team here, really young on defense and the offense is truly a mess in many facets.

There is so much work to do. I guess I'm just not real surprised at this weekends woopin'. My expectations have been met - we are exactly where I thought we'd be.

Parcells took over a team that quite frankly, I wouldn't want to even consider if I were a coach.

Nope, I never wanted BP here but now that he is, I'll root for the guy and honestly, it's not that hard to do when I think of the poodle standing there in his stead only 3 years ago.

Patience my friends. BP took over a team with about 5 legit starters and that includes BOTH sides of the ball.

My main gripe in all of this is not grooming AND PLAYING a young QB. We'll address that another day/time.


I'm still rooting...I will 'til I drop...Sunday's performance wasn't a surprise to me either...I saw it vs Philly on that Monday night game...

It's been smoke and mirrors keeping this team in games.

I thought Parcells did a great job of that during his first season here....with the inherited roster.

He's still doing it...difference is, it's with his roster now.

The QB thing is directly related to his being an old fart, not having patience, and being "too old to lose"...
 

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Juke99 said:
I'm still rooting...I will 'til I drop...Sunday's performance wasn't a surprise to me either...I saw it vs Philly on that Monday night game...

It's been smoke and mirrors keeping this team in games.

I thought Parcells did a great job of that during his first season here....with the inherited roster.

He's still doing it...difference is, it's with his roster now.

The QB thing is directly related to his being an old fart, not having patience, and being "too old to lose"...

Does it seem to you that Bill and the Dallas Cowboys are doing a lot of spinning of their wheels without getting anywhere?
 

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Hey you two......that is Stinky & Sally,

How about a compromise?........Lets hire a new coach for the D & OL. Would that satisfy your pleasure?

Morning juke & Sarge
 

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Hey you two......that is Stinky & Sally,

How about a compromise?........Lets hire a new coach for the D & OL. Would that satisfy your pleasure?

Morning juke & Sarge


Hola Santiago...

This season is EXACTLY what happened in Parcells first season. We got out to a great start, the rest of the league got smart to us, we faded.

Difference is...this time it's with Parcells roster.

I'd love to see a bright young coordinator on the D AND the O...it ain't gonna happen...and if it does, Mr "I'm too old to lose" is gonna squeeze the life out of him...
 

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Parcells sure does say that in that press conference, definately a negativabout BP there letting his QB make that decision.

Hell, Aikman said it himself early third quarter when he said now that Cowboys have to be one dimensional in their attack, Commanders will come after Bledsoe every down now.
Right there, I was thinking BP should get a qb in there that can run and avoid the blitzes better. With the way our oline was playing when it was occasional blitzes, Bledsoe will get killed and have no chance whatsoever now with blitzes every down.
Romo should of been in there no doubt.
 

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Hola Santiago...

This season is EXACTLY what happened in Parcells first season. We got out to a great start, the rest of the league got smart to us, we faded.

Difference is...this time it's with Parcells roster.

I'd love to see a bright young coordinator on the D AND the O...it ain't gonna happen...and if it does, Mr "I'm too old to lose" is gonna squeeze the life out of him...


Well for sure in each of the past three years we have faded in the second half of the season. Come November we were riding off into the sunset.

Mr BP is not going to hire anyone that could possibly upstage him.

BP is under contract for one more year........I would suggest he do a heck of alot of re-evaluating....of himself, his O, his D, and his methods of developing young talent.
 

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I never get tired of reading this argument from bitter fans. Outside of Ryan Young (who got cut at the end of his disappointing season...so much for that "favoritism" stuff, eh?), which imported Parcells player has been a disappointment? Before thinking about Vinny, keep in mind that he was brought in to be a backup.

(Cue Jeapordy music)... I'm waiting.

Obviously for reasons NOT related to on-field performance.

Get back to us when you decide to bring up relevant issues. I guess his "inflated view of himself" could be compared to Bledsoe continually bringing up Tom Brady and himself in the same light, no? That's the whole confidence vs cockiness thing.

QC got us to the playoffs despite struggling behind a crappy OL. And despite a brand new system EVERY year. And despite Troy Hambrick as his RB. You sure he's the worst chapter in Cowboys history? I think he was a big part of the best small chapter in a horrible era in Cowboys history. And if it wasn't for the drugs, he'd still be our starter.

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Depending on who you think is doing the finger-pointing, you're either RIGHT on point or WAAY off. The fans pointed the finger at QC MUCH more than they're pointing them at Bledsoe nowadays. Both struggled behind horrible OLs. Both showed that they can play pretty well when given time to throw and a viable running game. And I must say, I've found it pretty interesting when comparing the fans' reactions for QC's struggles vs Bledsoe's.

But if you were referring to Parcells doing the finger-pointing, you're way off. He constantly looked the OL's way when distributing blame during 2003. He was a broken record every week, talking about how QC was given no chance for success.

Most fans skewered QC anyways. Much of the same ones who absolve Bledsoe nowadays.

And for the record, I was one of the ones absolving QC in 2003, and I'm strongly absolving Bledsoe now.

:bow: :hammer: Great Post Nav22

I wonder where all these knee jerk experts were last week when Bledsoe had an elite performance. The Oline gave him time and he delivered.
 

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This season is EXACTLY what happened in Parcells first season. We got out to a great start, the rest of the league got smart to us, we faded.

So you dont think scheduling played a role here (and in 03 for that matter too)? I mean I understand when you're a really good team then things such as that dont matter. But we're not a really good team yet and we knew that coming in.

But when you get all 3 of your divisional foes at home early, a 49er team.. an Arizona and Detroit etc.. isnt that a little easier row to hoe than when you flip flop the divisional games, swap out Denver and KC for Zona and the Lions and then visit Carolina instead of the Niners?

I realize that could just be an excuse.. where in fact we do just fade for whatever reasons.. but then again we do "already" have 8 wins and theres about 15 other teams in the league that might not end up with that many when it's all said and done.
 

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I think the reason for our fade ,or at least partly, is that by the time we reach our 8 or 9th game the opposing coordinators know exactly what we are going too throw at them both on O & D. They scheme to attack or deffend us.....and we aren't imaginative enough to counter.

We are so vanilla with our blitz packages ....well let me just say it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to block them.
 

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I think the reason for our fade ,or at least partly, is that by the time we reach our 8 or 9th game the opposing coordinators know exactly what we are going too throw at them both on O & D. They scheme to attack or deffend us.....and we aren't imaginative enough to counter.

We are so vanilla with our blitz packages ....well let me just say it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out how to block them.

Well thats part of it, sure. But then again it was just a week ago where we managed to score 31 points. Obviously the Chiefs musta not "read the book" on us.

And no matter how much the wheels seem to have come off as of the other day, do we not believe that if we were to play the Giants and Skins yet again in our yard the next 2 weeks that we very likely would find a way to win those games? I dont doubt we could.
 
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