I'm so sick of hearing about our great offense

[jobberone]

We came close to having a great offense last year IMO. We moved the ball well last year. We should be even better this year. Last year was the first in awhile when the offense wasn't the problem with the team winning.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I always like the argument that go "If you look at the numbers, we didn't score as much against the tougher defenses!!".

Really? No S? It was harder to score on tougher defenses than easier defenses? This is astounding stuff you come up with. I also noticed it holds true for other teams as well. The theory is almost universal. The theory stands up in other sports as well. For example, I've noticed that baseball teams have a harder time scoring runs off of Pedro Martinez than they do bad pitchers.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We came close to having a great offense last year IMO. We moved the ball well last year. We should be even better this year.

I would like to see more consistency in the running game. Hopefully another off season for Colombo and Flo will help those guys. I know Davis > Rivera by a mile. There is reasons to be optimistic.

 

[percyhoward]

NO - 30.25 ppg
PHI - 27.67
IND - 36
SD - 20 ppg..

and im spent...

Actually those are interesting numbers.

Based on that sample of four teams, the more points a team scored against a playoff team during the regular season, the more success they had once the playoffs started.

And we were (as throughout Parcells' tenure) very bad against the better teams, particualrly in rematches.

 

[superpunk]

I always like the argument that go "If you look at the numbers, we didn't score as much against the tougher defenses!!".

Really? No S? It was harder to score on tougher defenses than easier defenses? This is astounding stuff you come up with. I also noticed it holds true for other teams as well. The theory is almost universal. The theory stands up in other sports as well. For example, I've noticed that baseball teams have a harder time scoring runs off of Pedro Martinez than they do bad pitchers.

Incidentally, if team's didn't have trouble scoring against good defenses...those defenses would cease to be good, grasshopper.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Incidentally, if team's didn't have trouble scoring against good defenses...those defenses would cease to be good, grasshopper.

did you just have an epiphany? cuz I just did too

backs fare better rushing against bad rush defenses!

 

[percyhoward]

The original poster is taking a real pounding, but when you look at how the other top offenses faired against winning teams, (against playoff teams, whatever) he may have a point.

Understandably, we faired worse against the better teams. That doesn't mean we should have faired any worse against them than 9 or 10 other teams did, though.

 

[jobberone]

I would like to see more consistency in the running game. Hopefully another off season for Colombo and Flo will help those guys. I know Davis > Rivera by a mile. There is reasons to be optimistic.

We have very good reasons to be optimistic. This offense could be as good as any we've ever had.

 

[zrinkill]

I cannot believe someone is stupid enough to argue with Adam about what the numbers mean.

some kids never learn.

 

[TheSport78]

I cannot believe someone is stupid enough to argue with Adam about what the numbers mean.

some kids never learn.

I really don't understand why so many personal shots are taken in this forum? First of all I'm 23 years old and listen "kid," you don't have a right to judge myself or anybody else. I was merely speaking my opinion and I don't know what the problem is.

 

[burmafrd]

When you get schooled you are supposed to say "Thank You sir, may I have another."

 

[theogt]

lol...it already looks bad - i gave up. Maybe the decreasing trend would continue further below us.

Well, at most we know we're not top 4, but those were four of the most productive offenses last season. I imagine there's a considerable drop off after that group.

 

[Vintage]

Saints- 30.25 ppg
Eagles- 27.7 ppg
Giants- 26.6 ppg
Bears- 24.5 ppg
Seahawks- 23.25 ppg
Cowboys- 19 ppg


(Regular Season Games vs playoff opponents)

 

[InmanRoshi]

Incidentally, if team's didn't have trouble scoring against good defenses...those defenses would cease to be good, grasshopper.

Whoa.

Kind of like "We may have scored a lot of points, but we were extremely predictable." But if we were so predictable, how come the other teams couldn't keep us from scoring?

This thread is messing with my head, man.

 

[carphalen5150]

I can't argue with the production we had last year, the numbers were great.

My only real beefs with the offense last year were the kicking game and short yardage team.

 

[percyhoward]

Saints- 30.25 ppg
Eagles- 27.7 ppg
Giants- 26.6 ppg
Bears- 24.5 ppg
Seahawks- 23.25 ppg
Cowboys- 19 ppg

(Regular Season Games vs playoff opponents)

Nice research.

And remember folks, that's just the NFC. When you add in AFC teams, I'm guessing we didn't even make the top 10 in the league., and we were probably about one TD per game below the league average.

It will be very interesting to see if our trend of being "midget-killers" continues with Parcells gone. And there are two ways you can go from there.

 

[AdamJT13]

Nice research.

And remember folks, that's just the NFC. When you add in AFC teams, I'm guessing we didn't even make the top 10 in the league., and we were probably about one TD per game below the league average.

A touchdown per game below the league average? You actually think the league average was 26 points per game against PLAYOFF teams? There were only four teams that averaged that much overall, let alone against playoff teams.

No, the league average was 19.1 points per game against playoff teams. The year before that, it was 17.3.

 

[percyhoward]

No, the league average was 19.1 points per game against playoff teams.

Isn't 19 points what the Cowboys averaged against playoff teams?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Isn't 19 points what the Cowboys averaged against playoff teams?

yes

but that would mean we were at the league average, not at the 1 point below you said we might have been at

 

[percyhoward]

yes

but that would mean we were at the league average, not at the 1 point below you said we might have been at

I actually said "one TD below," but I was only talking about the league average among playoff teams anyway. What the Browns averaged against playoff teams doesn't mean a whole lot.

And yeah, there's more than a bit of a discrepancy when you're the #5 offense in the league, but 12-15 other teams are scoring more points than you against the good teams.