I'm sorry Wade Phillips

[theogt]

What are you talking about?

JT said Wade allowed Jerry to be the GM. That's what I was responding to.

Actually, he didn't say that.

 

[Chief]

Actually, he didn't say that.

OK, he allows Jerry "to be heard by recognizing him as the GM" whatever that means.

My point is Wade doesn't allow Jerry anything. Jerry is the one allowing.

 

[theogt]

OK, he allows Jerry "to be heard by recognizing him as the GM" whatever that means.

My point is Wade doesn't allow Jerry anything. Jerry is the one allowing.

And an insightful point it was.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I'm sorry too

I think I once said I hate him

Not to toot my own horn, but I've always liked the guy... Yet I'm sure a lot of fans want to apologize until the next loss and then they'll all be hating on him again.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

LOL

Of course you have. You stand by everything Jerry does - Gailey, Campo, Wade.

Good you finally got one right.

Funny, even Bach's sig has WP and a believe sign. Pretty cool thing after watching that thumping of the Eagles.

 

[Bach]

Funny, even Bach's sig has WP and a believe sign. Pretty cool thing after watching that thumping of the Eagles.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You're at a loss for words.



Convinced yet?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

LOL

Of course you have. You stand by everything Jerry does - Gailey, Campo, Wade.

Good you finally got one right.

I think more importantly, and perhaps more glaring, is that you got one wrong.

In hindsight, both of those were bad coaching decsions. But as they say, you can't be right all the time.

 

[Bach]

I think more importantly, and perhaps more glaring, is that you got one wrong.

In hindsight, both of those were bad coaching decsions. But as they say, you can't be right all the time.

I've been dying to be wrong the last 13 years, and I'm thrilled I finally got the chance to be.

Now let's just hope Wade does much more than just get that first playoff win.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

hmmmm

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I've been dying to be wrong the last 13 years, and I'm thrilled I finally got the chance to be.

Now let's just hope Wade does much more than just get that first playoff win.

Yeah, you've been dying while a few of us could still see the writing on the wall. I've said before, at the beginning of the season, that this team has the most talent of any Dallas Cowboy's team I witnessed and I was there for the early 90s dynasty.

Even if we don't win the big one, I stand by that statement. This team is T.A.L.E.N.T.E.D.

 

[Bach]

Yeah, you've been dying while a few of us could still see the writing on the wall. I've said before, at the beginning of the season, that this team has the most talent of any Dallas Cowboy's team I witnessed and I was there for the early 90s dynasty.

Even if we don't win the big one, I stand by that statement. This team is T.A.L.E.N.T.E.D.

They've had talent the last few years. That hasn't been the problem of late. It's been winning late in the season and the playoffs. They finally turned that around this year.

 

[Draegerman]

A couple of my boys were lamenting the fact that it looks like Wade will be back and I had to set them straight! No matter what you personally think of WP, he obviously has his team's support and they're ballin' for him! Why anyone would want him gone because of his supposed happy-go-lucky demeanor is beyond me. As long as he has the team's support and their improving under his leadership, I'm all for him manning the headset. I know we've been spoiled by the cerebral calmness of Landry and the intensity & fire of Jimmy J., but we should use those two as examples of how success can be achieved by different means and realize there is no one way to win in the NFL![/quote]
:nono2:
Careful...you are sounding WAY too logical here.

I'm not sure what color your world is but in mine, when it comes to using logic and absolutes, it's either black/white or true/false with non-overlapping values in what is referred to as Boolian Logic. Now BehindEnemyLinez is speaking in the hypothetical which when applied with logic, allows overlapping values (in varying degrees) between what is true and what is false (e.g. gray areas between successful coaching styles) or what is also commonly referred to as Fuzzy Logic.

Now given this, there are three things that we call Focus Points that need to be considered when applying logic and absolutes:

1. In order to have rational dialogue, we must assume that there are absolute truths.
2. We cannot have rational dialogue without presupposing logical absolutes.
3. If there were no such things as logical absolutes, then everything would be relative and no truth could be established.

On the flip side to this (when dealing in absolutes applied to real world issues), there are two things standing in the way of having absolutes. One is that statements are evaluated on a variable scale of truthfulness and the second is that complex issues have multiple statements that must be evaluated to determine the truthfullness of the whole.

BehindEnemyLinez's post has merit in varying degrees utilizing examples of different successful coaching styles but is far too simplistic (even for Fuzzy Logic) when applied to Coach Wade. In one example: If A and B are given then C must logically follow (when dealing in absolutes) but fall way short in terms of the hypothetical. Truth represents membership in vaguely defined sets, not likelihood of some event or condition playing out as in probability theory.

I think that this subject has been adequately covered so I'll stop for now while I continue onward and upward with my diabolical mission of destroying Coach Phillips from the inside.

I'll flame his haircut next.

 

[Draegerman]

Yeah, you've been dying while a few of us could still see the writing on the wall. I've said before, at the beginning of the season, that this team has the most talent of any Dallas Cowboy's team I witnessed and I was there for the early 90s dynasty.

Even if we don't win the big one, I stand by that statement. This team is T.A.L.E.N.T.E.D.

And you would be wrong. The '77 team was the most talented.

Aside from being the most talented, they had a top five offense and the most dominating defense I have seen since the '85 Bears. Their leadership (both internally and externally) was probably their greatest strength.

Coach Tom was mere seconds/yds away from having this team winning the first two Superbowls and having the trophy named "The Landry" instead of being named after some loud-mouth, vertically challenged, Guinea Eye-talian dude that gets more credit than he deserves.

 

[Draegerman]

The problem with this take and ones like it are they do not realize what a huge compliment this is.

Wade ALLOWS players to be leaders by stepping back. He ALLOWS Jerry to be heard by recognizing Jerry is the GM and his boss. He ALLOWS Garrett to call the offense with minimal input.

As any grown adult who has ever had a job will tell you, boss that allow you to get the job done while supporting you make the BEST bosses. Micro-managers make things worse not better. They drive off plenty of really good resources.

Something just doesn't feel right to me with what you wrote. It's as if there's a hint of awkwardness to your post but you can't quite put your finger on it. Kind of like taking a pig and putting your favorite dress on it along with a wig and lipstick and then trying to convince all of us that it's the bell of the ball.

Hmm...


Ah yes, now I remember... Isn't your description of Wade's coaching style pretty much how he conducted himself during his first two years with us? In fact, wouldn't you say that it defined him to a "T"? Well how did that work out?

Now let's take it a step further. Do you remember a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away when Wade in the 'Boys had a chance for redemption in Season 2 by going into Philly for their last regular season game and by winning, they would get into the playoffs as a wildcard? Now how did that one work out? Wasn't their some kind of throttling experienced with one team's boot on the juggler while the other had the life sucked out of it?

And didn't Wade the next morning at the PC try to convince the 99.9% of us that wanted his head on a spit that things were going to be different during his 3rd year as head coach? Wasn't there some mention of him being more assertive with his players, like if he needed to yell he was going to yell very 'loudly'? That he was going to hold his players and coaches more accountable and if he needed to use a stick then he was going to use a really, really big stick?

If my points are correct and this is exactly how he conducted himself this season, then doesn't it contradict what you were saying? Of course he could have been simply paying all of us lip service (including his boss) and never really changed at all but that wouldn't make any sense now would it?

Yummy...all this talk about pigs and lipstick have suddenly made me hungry for bacon. :tongue:

 

[RainMan]

Something just doesn't feel right to me with what you wrote. It's as if there's a hint of awkwardness to your post but you can't quite put your finger on it. Kind of like taking a pig and putting your favorite dress on it along with a wig and lipstick and then trying to convince all of us that it's the bell of the ball.

Hmm...


Ah yes, now I remember... Isn't your description of Wade's coaching style pretty much how he conducted himself during his first two years with us? In fact, wouldn't you say that it defined him to a "T"? Well how did that work out?

Now let's take it a step further. Do you remember a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away when Wade in the 'Boys had a chance for redemption in Season 2 by going into Philly for their last regular season game and by winning, they would get into the playoffs as a wildcard? Now how did that one work out? Wasn't their some kind of throttling experienced with one team's boot on the juggler while the other had the life sucked out of it?

And didn't Wade the next morning at the PC try to convince the 99.9% of us that wanted his head on a spit that things were going to be different during his 3rd year as head coach? Wasn't there some mention of him being more assertive with his players, like if he needed to yell he was going to yell very 'loudly'? That he was going to hold his players and coaches more accountable and if he needed to use a stick then he was going to use a really, really big stick?

If my points are correct and this is exactly how he conducted himself this season, then doesn't it contradict what you were saying? Of course he could have been simply paying all of us lip service (including his boss) and never really changed at all but that wouldn't make any sense now would it?

Yummy...all this talk about pigs and lipstick have suddenly made me hungry for bacon. :tongue:

I've been no defender of Wade up until about two months ago, but let me offer my best counter.

I'd argue Wade's laid-back style was undermined by the locker room Jerry handed him the previous two years. The toxic personalities are well documented, and there were no "Wade" voices to try to lead the way.

Let me paint this scenario. Imagine Parcells taking over this team in 2007 -- with T.O. as a primary figure and Tank soon to be added -- and not given the authority to bring any of his minions to set the locker room straight. How do you think that turns out? Doesn't T.O. and his iVirus ilk lead a locker room in revolt?

Wade isn't the kind of person people revolt, but I think he's the kind of person that a bad group tunes out. Wade was given a bad group.

Flash forward to this year, when a plethora of Wade guys were brought in. Brooking and Igor, and DeCamillis among the coaches. And then a cousin of the Friends of Wade came in in Sensabaugh, given that he played for DeCamillis.

I think those people were instrumental -- in addition to the addition by subtraction in removing Ellis, Owens, Pacman and Tank -- in providing Wade a chance for his style to work.

Is he the greatest motivator of men? Absolutely not. But he's a hell of a football mind who is a "likeable coach." That was disaster waiting to happen with the players we had before. Not as much now.

My two cents.

 

[jterrell]

I think Jerry is the one allowing here. He's in charge. He told Wade that Garrett is your offensive coordinator. He told Wade, these are your players. He told Wade, you take over the defense.

Wade allows Jerry to be heard by recognizing Jerry is the GM and his boss?

That's mighty benevolent of Wade to give Jerry room to operate.

Something tells me that Jerry will do whatever the hell he wants and he doesn't need Wade to allow it. :laugh2:

And perhaps that is why it took Wade 3 years to get a playoff win. Because Jerry forced inexperienced Garrett on him and of course Terrell Owens/Tank Johnson/Pac Man et al.

Bottom line is Wade drafted Spencer... that was his pick.
He fought for the guy and he pushed for Jenkins.

Those two upgraded the defense.

People stated all along Wade had to win a playoff game and he did. Now many of those same folks are still bagging on him and that's both childish and classless. 2 NFCE wins in 3 years --probably the toughest overall division in football the past three seasons and for the second time in 3 seasons the Dallas Cowboys are in the divisional round.

Not a single person bagging on Wade has been in the locker room, has any idea what he tells players or sat through a single drill he runs. They are completely ignorant and just spouting nonsense.

Wade has the best record of any Cowboys head coach ever. That's insane considering all the games Landry and Johnson won. All the games Switzer won with a team that is still top 50 of all-time.

People are incredibly dense if they can't recognize Bill Parcells didn't allow anyone to emerge as a leader amongst the players because he "kept players in their place". He also undermined assistants by shoving them into the background and then he overruled scouts come draft day. All that happened with Jerry here AS HIS BOSS. So perhaps that Wade ALLOWING Jerry to be the boss thing isn't quite such a joke.

It is truly a shame that our head coach who works his behind off and flat outcoached Andy Reid gets zero credit from the folks who benefit from his hard work: the fanbase.

I will never understand how grown men can post about how they "feel" about Wade with a straight face. It's not Wade's job to keep you warm and cuddly at night with hot-headed rhetoric. It's his job to win games and he has done that better than any other Cowboys coach.

 

[DFWJC]

To piggy-back (hehe) on your theme....I'm pretty sure Wade is evolving as a HC and his team is evolving with him. It's not only as simple as that, but that does represent a good part of the progress.

This is only his 3rd year and he is finally molding the team to what he wants it to be---that is a team of somewhat selfless guys with a versatile offense and an agressive, tenacious defense. This is not an overnight task like some here and in the press think it should be.

 

[jterrell]

Something just doesn't feel right to me with what you wrote. It's as if there's a hint of awkwardness to your post but you can't quite put your finger on it. Kind of like taking a pig and putting your favorite dress on it along with a wig and lipstick and then trying to convince all of us that it's the bell of the ball.

Hmm...


Ah yes, now I remember... Isn't your description of Wade's coaching style pretty much how he conducted himself during his first two years with us? In fact, wouldn't you say that it defined him to a "T"? Well how did that work out?

Now let's take it a step further. Do you remember a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away when Wade in the 'Boys had a chance for redemption in Season 2 by going into Philly for their last regular season game and by winning, they would get into the playoffs as a wildcard? Now how did that one work out? Wasn't their some kind of throttling experienced with one team's boot on the juggler while the other had the life sucked out of it?

And didn't Wade the next morning at the PC try to convince the 99.9% of us that wanted his head on a spit that things were going to be different during his 3rd year as head coach? Wasn't there some mention of him being more assertive with his players, like if he needed to yell he was going to yell very 'loudly'? That he was going to hold his players and coaches more accountable and if he needed to use a stick then he was going to use a really, really big stick?

If my points are correct and this is exactly how he conducted himself this season, then doesn't it contradict what you were saying? Of course he could have been simply paying all of us lip service (including his boss) and never really changed at all but that wouldn't make any sense now would it?

Yummy...all this talk about pigs and lipstick have suddenly made me hungry for bacon. :tongue:

Wow, does anyone actually read your entire posts???

I believe ---can't be sure with all the nonsensical fluff tossed about--- your point is that Wade did the same thing the first two years he did this year and that somehow makes my point poor. If so you really should spend less time trying to be funny and more time following basic logic.

Wade has won here at an unprecedented clip. He has brought in his players and pushed to draft guys he likes. That's how you build a winning team. He isn't a failure any more than Belichek who hasn't won a playoff game for two years.

His system works and this time he was given an opportunity to prove it. Brroking and Igor are Wade guys who were huge this year. So has been Anthony Spencer and Mike Jenkins both guys Wade pushed to draft.

All the nonsense about Wade's playoff record is just that: Nonsense. He was 0-4 when he got here with 4 playoff losses on the road and one of those required a miracle play on special teams. None of those were great teams who underachieved.

Here he lost a playoff game at home but by a slim margin to a team that went on to win the Super Bowl. The offense bogged down plus had a turnover late in that game.

Now given a better team, loaded with more of his own guys, with good health and match-up advantages he won by a wide margin over a coach who was previously 7-0 in the first round of the playoffs and has a much ballyhooed playoff record.

This is Wade's team, this isn't Parcells team and maybe that's why this team broke that December and playoff drought.

If you continue to find it necessary to discuss feelings they can probably give you some testosterone injections or something at the doc's office.

 

[jterrell]

They've had talent the last few years. That hasn't been the problem of late. It's been winning late in the season and the playoffs. They finally turned that around this year.

They have had talent but the talent hasn't always been on the field.

The team that took the field in December last year was no where near as good as this one due to injuries and growth to Jenkins/Spencer.

Fans had unreasonable expectations for that team once they lost players to injury.

The 2007 team was much like the Saints/Eagles in that they overwhelmed teams with big plays then could pound the ball with Barber. Barber hasn't been fully healthy since then however. And we've seen how far relying on offensive explosion gets you in the playoffs. Even in that insane 51-45 game in Arizona the final score and game winner was by the defense.

No way is a defense with Roy Williams 31 at SS and Anthony Henry at CB as good as this one. No way, no how.