IMO best value with a top four pick New Years Eve before combine

[Macnalty]

Not in any order, I do like Bosa and the Tackle from Ole Miss as more of a sure thing. If we are going on talent and order of value from high to low: QB's, RDE's, Left Tackles, Left CB, WR#1, DT, RB, LDE, MLB, TE, FS, WS LB, R Tackle, R CB, Right Guard, WR2, Center, SS, Strong Side LB, Left Guard, NT, WR3
in that order per the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...tions-importance-from-quarterback-to-returner

Laremy Tunsil LTackle Ole Miss
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Laquan Treadwell WR Ole Miss
Robert Nkemdiche DT Ole Miss jumps out windows...
Jaylon Smith OLB Notre Dame
Myles Jack ILB UCLA
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida this guy is a press/man CB
Jalen Ramsey FS/CB/DB Florida St Byron Jones clone IMO
Joey Bosa DE Ohio State

Who should be added for a top four pick?

 

[Avery]

The only other players to add would be the QB's in Lynch and Goff.

Very premature mock:

1. TEN - Tunsil
2. CLE - Bosa
3. SD - Ramsey
4. DAL - ?

 

[visionary]

The only other players to add would be the QB's in Lynch and Goff.

Very premature mock:

1. TEN - Tunsil
2. CLE - Bosa
3. SD - Ramsey
4. DAL - ?

Lynch or Goff whoever the scouts have rated as being better

 

[waving monkey]

The only other players to add would be the QB's in Lynch and Goff.

Very premature mock:

1. TEN - Tunsil
2. CLE - Bosa
3. SD - Ramsey
4. DAL - ?

As of Dec 31 2015 Goff

 

[Macnalty]

Wow we have a lot of QB talent guys(I do believe in the wisdom of crowds), I think Chip Kelly might end up at Ten I am sure QB not on the table, Cleveland now that is another story, would you want to bank your franchise on Manziel?
SD is about a year or two away from a QB selection,
For me the QB pool is not worthy of the fourth pick as of New Years Eve.
Fill needs efficiently as possible in FA, make a board and draft the BPA with every pick. I am convinced now more than ever with the rookie wage scale plus the likelihood of injuries that BPA is just the way to go and not to overthink it.

 

[IAmLegend]

All I care about right now is that we lose our last game of the season.

 

[Killerinstinct]

Not in any order, I do like Bosa and the Tackle from Ole Miss as more of a sure thing. If we are going on talent and order of value from high to low: QB's, RDE's, Left Tackles, Left CB, WR#1, DT, RB, LDE, MLB, TE, FS, WS LB, R Tackle, R CB, Right Guard, WR2, Center, SS, Strong Side LB, Left Guard, NT, WR3
in that order per the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...tions-importance-from-quarterback-to-returner

Laremy Tunsil LTackle Ole Miss
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Laquan Treadwell WR Ole Miss
Robert Nkemdiche DT Ole Miss jumps out windows...
Jaylon Smith OLB Notre Dame
Myles Jack ILB UCLA
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida this guy is a press/man CB
Jalen Ramsey FS/CB/DB Florida St Byron Jones clone IMO
Joey Bosa DE Ohio State

Who should be added for a top four pick?

Ronnie Stanley OT might deserve to be in this conversation.

 

[Macnalty]

Ronnie Stanley OT might deserve to be in this conversation.

He is very good, do you like him better than the Ole Miss OT guy?

 

[Avery]

He is very good, do you like him better than the Ole Miss OT guy?

Both are pretty good, but Tunsil is super athletic and moves better than Stanley. I think Stanley could break into the #5 - #10 range, but have a hard time seeing Tunsil drop below SD.

Tunsil is a Tyron Smith/Trent Williams clone basically.

 

[DFWJC]

Not in any order, I do like Bosa and the Tackle from Ole Miss as more of a sure thing. If we are going on talent and order of value from high to low: QB's, RDE's, Left Tackles, Left CB, WR#1, DT, RB, LDE, MLB, TE, FS, WS LB, R Tackle, R CB, Right Guard, WR2, Center, SS, Strong Side LB, Left Guard, NT, WR3
in that order per the league
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...tions-importance-from-quarterback-to-returner

Laremy Tunsil LTackle Ole Miss
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Laquan Treadwell WR Ole Miss
Robert Nkemdiche DT Ole Miss jumps out windows...
Jaylon Smith OLB Notre Dame
Myles Jack ILB UCLA
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida this guy is a press/man CB
Jalen Ramsey FS/CB/DB Florida St Byron Jones clone IMO
Joey Bosa DE Ohio State

Who should be added for a top four pick?

Thanks for input.
But really, I don't think Josh Doctson is worth a top 4 pick. Maybe a top 4 in in round 2?

 

[AzorAhai]

Thanks for input.
But really, I don't think Josh Doctson is worth a top 4 pick. Maybe a top 4 in in round 2?

Agreed. He's super special with his ball skills. He has a ton of work to do to get seperation in the NFL though. The more I watch him, the more I see Crabtree similarities. I think he's more of a late 1st early 2nd guy.

 

[LandryFan]

Wow we have a lot of QB talent guys(I do believe in the wisdom of crowds), I think Chip Kelly might end up at Ten I am sure QB not on the table, Cleveland now that is another story, would you want to bank your franchise on Manziel?
SD is about a year or two away from a QB selection,
For me the QB pool is not worthy of the fourth pick as of New Years Eve.
Fill needs efficiently as possible in FA, make a board and draft the BPA with every pick. I am convinced now more than ever with the rookie wage scale plus the likelihood of injuries that BPA is just the way to go and not to overthink it.

One of many things that will bring intrigue into this draft is the number of teams that could be in the QB market. It can be debated that there are five teams below Dallas that would be interested in drafting one:

#5 San Fran
#11 New Orleans (if they want to get a jump on life after Brees)
#12 Philly
#14 Chicago
#18 St Louis

As always, there are many factors that will come into play that will change things as they now stand in the draft (a new Head Coach could mean a new offensive/defensive philosophy which could lead to a change in team needs, Sr Bowl and combine performances, etc.), but one of the above listed teams could potentially jump ahead of Dallas in a trade if they fear Dallas will take their guy, or they could trade with Dallas if they don't think Dallas will draft a QB (Dallas could have already acquired Manziel in a trade, for example). Heck, we don't even know if Jerry is considering a QB even if he doesn't end up with Manziel (or somebdy else) and he has his pick of the litter. He may be content to ride with Tony and a yet-to-be-named vet backup.

All that said, Dallas is in a great spot if they stay up at pick #4 (or better). Tennessee already has their QB, Cleveland may think they do (this is the wild card in the process)...if they draft a QB, that means they gave up on Manziel which, in turn, means JJ has probably swung a trade to get him which then leads to Dallas not looking for a QB in the draft, and San Diego is not likely yet in the market for a QB. Given all of that, Dallas probably ends up with their pick of QB's should they desire to go that route with the 4th pick (or they won't, in Jerry's mind, think they need one).

We could very easily be looking at Bosa and one of the top QB's sitting there when it comes time to pick. Where they sit on Dallas' draft board will be the big question. Sit tight and take your guy or trade down and potentially pick up some additional premium picks? There are just so many possibilities that it makes trying to figure out what Jerry will do an impossible task. One thing is certain, though...picking that high puts Dallas in a great spot to potentially land one or more great prospects.

 

[Macnalty]

One of many things that will bring intrigue into this draft is the number of teams that could be in the QB market. It can be debated that there are five teams below Dallas that would be interested in drafting one:

#5 San Fran
#11 New Orleans (if they want to get a jump on life after Brees)
#12 Philly
#14 Chicago
#18 St Louis

As always, there are many factors that will come into play that will change things as they now stand in the draft (a new Head Coach could mean a new offensive/defensive philosophy which could lead to a change in team needs, Sr Bowl and combine performances, etc.), but one of the above listed teams could potentially jump ahead of Dallas in a trade if they fear Dallas will take their guy, or they could trade with Dallas if they don't think Dallas will draft a QB (Dallas could have already acquired Manziel in a trade, for example). Heck, we don't even know if Jerry is considering a QB even if he doesn't end up with Manziel (or somebdy else) and he has his pick of the litter. He may be content to ride with Tony and a yet-to-be-named vet backup.

All that said, Dallas is in a great spot if they stay up at pick #4 (or better). Tennessee already has their QB, Cleveland may think they do (this is the wild card in the process)...if they draft a QB, that means they gave up on Manziel which, in turn, means JJ has probably swung a trade to get him which then leads to Dallas not looking for a QB in the draft, and San Diego is not likely yet in the market for a QB. Given all of that, Dallas probably ends up with their pick of QB's should they desire to go that route with the 4th pick (or they won't, in Jerry's mind, think they need one).

We could very easily be looking at Bosa and one of the top QB's sitting there when it comes time to pick. Where they sit on Dallas' draft board will be the big question. Sit tight and take your guy or trade down and potentially pick up some additional premium picks? There are just so many possibilities that it makes trying to figure out what Jerry will do an impossible task. One thing is certain, though...picking that high puts Dallas in a great spot to potentially land one or more great prospects.

If they fall in love with a QB on talent I can handle the drama, but if they reach for one(Jerry 101) it will be an albatross around our necks for years.
I too like Bosa, along with the Left tackle from Ole Miss both seem like cannot miss type players and just adjust your squad accordingly if taken.

 

[Killerinstinct]

If they fall in love with a QB on talent I can handle the drama, but if they reach for one(Jerry 101) it will be an albatross around our necks for years.
I too like Bosa, along with the Left tackle from Ole Miss both seem like cannot miss type players and just adjust your squad accordingly if taken.

Tunsil is a guy I would like to have too. It would piss off a ton of people but damn that guy is good and what an OL we would have then.

One of many things that will bring intrigue into this draft is the number of teams that could be in the QB market. It can be debated that there are five teams below Dallas that would be interested in drafting one:

#5 San Fran
#11 New Orleans (if they want to get a jump on life after Brees)
#12 Philly
#14 Chicago
#18 St Louis

As always, there are many factors that will come into play that will change things as they now stand in the draft (a new Head Coach could mean a new offensive/defensive philosophy which could lead to a change in team needs, Sr Bowl and combine performances, etc.), but one of the above listed teams could potentially jump ahead of Dallas in a trade if they fear Dallas will take their guy, or they could trade with Dallas if they don't think Dallas will draft a QB (Dallas could have already acquired Manziel in a trade, for example). Heck, we don't even know if Jerry is considering a QB even if he doesn't end up with Manziel (or somebdy else) and he has his pick of the litter. He may be content to ride with Tony and a yet-to-be-named vet backup.

All that said, Dallas is in a great spot if they stay up at pick #4 (or better). Tennessee already has their QB, Cleveland may think they do (this is the wild card in the process)...if they draft a QB, that means they gave up on Manziel which, in turn, means JJ has probably swung a trade to get him which then leads to Dallas not looking for a QB in the draft, and San Diego is not likely yet in the market for a QB. Given all of that, Dallas probably ends up with their pick of QB's should they desire to go that route with the 4th pick (or they won't, in Jerry's mind, think they need one).

We could very easily be looking at Bosa and one of the top QB's sitting there when it comes time to pick. Where they sit on Dallas' draft board will be the big question. Sit tight and take your guy or trade down and potentially pick up some additional premium picks? There are just so many possibilities that it makes trying to figure out what Jerry will do an impossible task. One thing is certain, though...picking that high puts Dallas in a great spot to potentially land one or more great prospects.

That's the beauty of having a high pick. Not only are we a prime trading candidate for a QB but what if someone wants the top receiver in the draft? Or Top LB etc. Don't screw it up by winning a meaningless game.

 

[LandryFan]

If they fall in love with a QB on talent I can handle the drama, but if they reach for one(Jerry 101) it will be an albatross around our necks for years.
I too like Bosa, along with the Left tackle from Ole Miss both seem like cannot miss type players and just adjust your squad accordingly if taken.

The only thing I can hang my hat on is that Jerry has listened to his scouts/McClay in recent years and has seen that their system works. My hope is that he continues down that track. It's only my amateur opinion, but I don't think he reaches for a player that high in the draft. He's either going to be sold by his team that a player is worth taking and then take said player, or trade down if he can find a partner. The problem is, no system is perfect and no player is a sure thing.

 

[Macnalty]

Thanks for input.
But really, I don't think Josh Doctson is worth a top 4 pick. Maybe a top 4 in in round 2?

He is a talent catching that ball and his size is prototypical. I added both in as their position and talent warranted consideration and value. For me he is not a top four pick, he is however going to be either the first or second WR taken in the draft. Both WR's are drawing lots of attention. Would they make this team better, IMO no doubt, are they a good value at 4, not so much.

 

[cowboys1981]

Thanks for input.
But really, I don't think Josh Doctson is worth a top 4 pick. Maybe a top 4 in in round 2?

My guess is NE grabs him with their late first round pick.

 

[Macnalty]

The only thing I can hang my hat on is that Jerry has listened to his scouts/McClay in recent years and has seen that their system works. My hope is that he continues down that track. It's only my amateur opinion, but I don't think he reaches for a player that high in the draft. He's either going to be sold by his team that a player is worth taking and then take said player, or trade down if he can find a partner. The problem is, no system is perfect and no player is a sure thing.

I agree he seems to have his governor working these last couple of years. Some of those earlier drafts not so much.

 

[LandryFan]

Tunsil is a guy I would like to have too. It would piss off a ton of people but damn that guy is good and what an OL we would have then.



That's the beauty of having a high pick. Not only are we a prime trading candidate for a QB but what if someone wants the top receiver in the draft? Or Top LB etc. Don't screw it up by winning a meaningless game.

Who knows how their game against the skins will go? Yes, we're playing a lot of young players, but those players will be playing their ***** off to make a positive impression. You can't tell them to go out there and dog it. Washington, on the other hand, really has nothing to play for. All of that worries me. One little thing I thought of is that Gruden may remember when Dallas put a whoopin on them last year after having already clinched their playoff position (including an onside kick when ahead by double digits) and my want to exact a little revenge. Who knows?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The only other players to add would be the QB's in Lynch and Goff.

Very premature mock:

1. TEN - Tunsil
2. CLE - Bosa
3. SD - Ramsey
4. DAL - ?

No way Cleveland passes on a QB.

The best we can hope for is Tennessee falls in love with Tunsil which means the draft falls like this

1. Tenn- Tunsil
2. Cle- QB1
3. SD- Bosa (will not trade down with SF with him on the board)
4. Dal- QB2