IMO best value with a top four pick New Years Eve before combine

[Hardline]

My guess is NE grabs him with their late first round pick.

New England doesn'thave a first round pick.

 

[LandryFan]

No way Cleveland passes on a QB.

The best we can hope for is Tennessee falls in love with Tunsil which means the draft falls like this

1. Tenn- Tunsil
2. Cle- QB1
3. SD- Bosa (will not trade down with SF with him on the board)
4. Dal- QB2

You could be right about Cleveland and manziel, but I read an article this morning that talked about Cleveland's owner being very "pro-Manziel". I think one of the big determinants in Manziel's future in Cleveland is based on whether they keep or fire Pettine. If they fire him, I can easily see the owner pressuring the incoming coach to keep manziel. Heck, even if Pettine stays, they may decide to give Manziel one more year. That really is one of the wild cards in determining how the top of the draft will fall.

 

[LandryFan]

New England doesn'thave a first round pick.

Thankfully. Moves us up one more spot in every round!

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You could be right about Cleveland and manziel, but I read an article this morning that talked about Cleveland's owner being very "pro-Manziel". I think one of the big determinants in Manziel's future in Cleveland is based on whether they keep or fire Pettine. If they fire him, I can easily see the owner pressuring the incoming coach to keep manziel. Heck, even if Pettine stays, they may decide to give Manziel one more year. That really is one of the wild cards in determining how the top of the draft will fall.

I think there's a very real chance Manziel is in CLE next year, but almost no chance he is not competing against Goff or Lynch.

 

[LandryFan]

I think there's a very real chance Manziel is in CLE next year, but almost no chance he is not competing against Goff or Lynch.

I suppose that's a real possibility, but there's a part of me that says they won't keep a first round QB on the roster and then draft another one. They just have too many holes all over their roster to spend premium picks on that position two years in a row. It really comes down to whether they think they can coach/nurture Manziel, IMO. I totally get where you're coming from in your logic, though...and you may very well be right.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I suppose that's a real possibility, but there's a part of me that says they won't keep a first round QB on the roster and then draft another one. They just have too many holes all over their roster to spend premium picks on that position two years in a row. It really comes down to whether they think they can coach/nurture Manziel, IMO. I totally get where you're coming from in your logic, though...and you may very well be right.

it wouldn't be two years in a row, just tow out of the last three.

 

[LandryFan]

it wouldn't be two years in a row, just tow out of the last three.

Yes, you're correct. That's still two #1's over a short span, though. Do you think they even try to trade him, or do you think they want to keep him? The problem I see if they want to keep him and they draft another QB (Goff) is that Manziel may very well work out for them and then they have a #3 pick sitting on the bench for the duration of his rookie contract (injuries notwithstanding). I know that many would say that's a nice problem to have, but with the holes they have on that team, they sure could use some help in other places.

 

[Killerinstinct]

No way Cleveland passes on a QB.

The best we can hope for is Tennessee falls in love with Tunsil which means the draft falls like this

1. Tenn- Tunsil
2. Cle- QB1
3. SD- Bosa (will not trade down with SF with him on the board)
4. Dal- QB2

Zero percent chance the 2nd best qb in the draft is drafted by Dallas at no 4 with so much talent available. I would be willing to bet anything on it.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Zero percent chance the 2nd best qb in the draft is drafted by Dallas at no 4 with so much talent available. I would be willing to bet anything on it.

I'd be willing to bet by the time the 4th pick happens, 2 QBs will be taken. I think there's a good chance that SF trades with SD depending on who is there.

 

[cowboys1981]

New England doesn'thave a first round pick.

Didn't know that. Still think he gets a late first selection though. His stock will continue to rise due to his play making abilities that go along with his size and speed.

 

[RS12]

I think Shaq Lawson will make a big move post combine.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I'd be willing to bet by the time the 4th pick happens, 2 QBs will be taken. I think there's a good chance that SF trades with SD depending on who is there.

Maybe but Dallas wont be picking the 2nd best QB at no 4. They may trade the pick to someone that will. The new coach in Philly, or St Louis or someone with a 3 to 5 year plan. It wont be Dallas though.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Maybe but Dallas wont be picking the 2nd best QB at no 4. They may trade the pick to someone that will. The new coach in Philly, or St Louis or someone with a 3 to 5 year plan. It wont be Dallas though.

and if Dallas rates the guy that Cleveland takes as the second best, then they certainly would. makes no sense to rule out taking a guy ONLY because he's the second best at his position. would you pass on Gerald McCoy at #3 because he's no Ndamekong Suh? Of course not, you take the player based on where they rate compared to everyone else.

 

[Killerinstinct]

and if Dallas rates the guy that Cleveland takes as the second best, then they certainly would. makes no sense to rule out taking a guy ONLY because he's the second best at his position. would you pass on Gerald McCoy at #3 because he's no Ndamekong Suh? Of course not, you take the player based on where they rate compared to everyone else.

Gerald Mccoy would be a day one starter. I am surprised you don't see the difference.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Gerald Mccoy would be a day one starter. I am surprised you don't see the difference.

again, you are being short sighted. if the scouts grade the 2nd best QB to be on par with the top rated QB and after you interview him, all the "boxes" are checked, you take the QB, even if it means waiting 2-3 years before he plays. I am surprised you don't see this.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Gerald Mccoy would be a day one starter. I am surprised you don't see the difference.

Put it this way, Phillip Rivers was the #4 pick and the second QB taken AND did not play until year 3, was it worth it for San Diego?

Which one of the can't miss prospects should they have taken? Kellen Winslow Jr.? Roy Williams? Sean Taylor (not his fault that he did not reach potential)? Deangelo Hall?

All of those guys were pretty highly touted and viewed as guys who could turn around a franchise.

 

[Risen Star]

I refuse to even think about a top 5 pick because I'm expecting they win on Sunday.

 

[Killerinstinct]

again, you are being short sighted. if the scouts grade the 2nd best QB to be on par with the top rated QB and after you interview him, all the "boxes" are checked, you take the QB, even if it means waiting 2-3 years before he plays. I am surprised you don't see this.

I try to look at it through the eyes of Jerry and Stephen and Jason.

I think the odds are low that they take the no 1 QB at 4. I think there is a zero percent chance they take the no 2 QB at 4.

Jason's seat is hot. The last thing he wants to see is the highest draft pick since he has been the coach used on a player that he hopes never starts.

Jerry thinks they are closer to a super bowl than it appears. He sees holes all over. A leaky secondary, A linebacker core that is lacking. A no 2 receiver that is no threat. ETC ETC.

I have no doubt the QB position will be addressed but there is a zero percent chance that the no 2 QB is taken by Dallas at pick no 4.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I try to look at it through the eyes of Jerry and Stephen and Jason.

I think the odds are low that they take the no 1 QB at 4. I think there is a zero percent chance they take the no 2 QB at 4.

Jason's seat is hot. The last thing he wants to see if the highest draft pick since he has been the coach used on a player that he hopes never starts.

Jerry thinks they are closer to a super bowl than it appears. He sees holes all over. A leaky secondary, A linebacker core that is lacking. A no 2 receiver that is no threat. ETC ETC.

I have no doubt the QB position will be addressed but there is zero percent chance that the no 2 QB is taken by Dallas at pick no 4.

I don't think you are as privy to their thoughts as you think you are. To rule something out as a zero percent chance, really shows that it's your bias and thoughts that are creating this, not theirs. I do agree that Jerry believes that we are closer to a SB than we actually are, but I don't think Jason's seat is as hot as some here think. Yes, another 4-5 win season would likely be the end of his tenure here, but none of the none QB prospects in this draft would have made a difference. Not Bosa, Tunstil, Ramsey, Hargroves, Smith or Myles. Maybe we'd have 5 wins and be going for 6 with one of the LBers, but that's about it. And I'm not even saying definitely Goff or Lynch would have been able to step in as the back-up QB this year, all I'm saying is if the both QBs grade out roughly the same, or if the 2nd QB has roughly the same grade as the remaining players on the board, you take him and don't give it a second thought.

 

[Plankton]

Both are pretty good, but Tunsil is super athletic and moves better than Stanley. I think Stanley could break into the #5 - #10 range, but have a hard time seeing Tunsil drop below SD.

Tunsil is a Tyron Smith/Trent Williams clone basically.

Tunsil is a much more physical player than Stanley. Stanley is an excellent athlete, and is generally a very good pass blocker, but his performance against Shaq Lawson this year was horrifically bad. Lawson absolutely dominated him. He played in the Notre Dame backfield all night long.

And I am a Notre Dame fan.