In defense of Stephen in the Gregory negotiation

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I see some are blaming him for his 11th hour contract verbiage that lost Gregory to Denver but that is a common negotiating tactic and how can he be faulted for trying to protect the club with a player with a spotty history?

I don't like Stephen but in this case, I will defend what he did, not really knowing what the 11th hour terms were but this team does not have a history with that so it had to be to protect the team.

Most refer to it as the "Columbo Close" and the timing of it is crucial. It is named for his "oh, one more thing" which was the real thing all along. It must be used when the buyer is already amenable to the close, objections have all been addressed and they want to do this.

I had it used against me many times and grew to expect it because it speaks to you are already in agreement and have just about taken ownership, you won't back out now. However, it does not allow for previous options being in place...like Denver with a matching offer on the table. I think that one caught them off guard.

You can bet this wasn't some last minute item they'd forgotten about, this was in the plan all along but it had to be played at the right moment. Do you think it was lost on them than in the last game of his contract year he behaved as he did on the field? His history with a tearful admission that he'd let his Mom down only to repeat that over and over again?

Think shades of Terrell Owens on his best behavior with one year renewable contracts until he got his three year deal. Say hello to the real Owens.

And this is a player that blew a drug test the week of the draft after being considered a top 15 pick. They had ample warning and the media would have been merciless with the cap situation and working it out to keep this guy should he go off the rails again. And something about Gregory made them nervous.

I really think Stephen did the right thing in this instance and if this 11th hour verbiage was behavior related and Gregory balked at that, that's all I need to know. He might be good in Denver but he had already proven what he could be in Dallas.
 

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If you want to point a finger...you can start with the head clown...unreal he tried to get a deal done with no escape clauses....Randy Gregory would have held this team hostage for the next 5 years....and probably skipped every single mini camp.
 

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For most players, I might feel like saying "what the hell" with Stephen trying to put a behavior clause in the contract. But considering Gregory's history, I'm not going to blame a club for trying to protect itself.

After all, this is a guy who:
  • Never has played a full NFL Season
  • Never surpassed 6 sacks in an NFL Season
  • Never was great in Run Defense
  • Only was the started for 11 games in a single season (hell, 12 in total)
  • And is a behavioral suspension away from potentially being out of the NFL forever
I mean, the only real plus side on Gregory is for a nearly 30 year old, he should have very little NFL wear and tear on his body because he has almost missed 2x more games than he has played.

So ya. I'm sure we can find a "6 Sack Guy" at a MUCH lower cost and risk.

JMHO
 

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I disagree. If all the reporting out so far is accurate, he already agreed to take less money to stay, and cowboys were aware that broncos were offering more. To think that its appropriate to add that after he already agreed to take less is idiotic and in a way disrespectful.

Me personally, I'm not upset we lost him, or upset that we wanted to protect ourselves but we literally had no leverage over him so why try to throw that in there after he agreed to terms?
 

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We can blame him because this is vintage awful negotiation by Stephen. He tries to play hardball and ends up losing at the end. If your guy has multiple offers on the table and he is taking less to play for you, you don't try to ramp up the terms at the last minute. It's insulting. Those are the kind of stipulations you outline up front and let him counter with a higher salary if he has to play under those stipulations.
 

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I'm sure the topic of "money voided for drugs" had come up early on in the negotiation... it's Randy Gregory we're talking about here.

If the Cowboys said no, there won't be behavioral clauses in the early stages of the deal and then flipped on it last minute, that's just scummy. Gregory did the right thing by bailing.
 

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Forget the 11th hour. The fact that they thought Gregory was worth that price with or without verbiage...scary. But very Cowboys.
Denver paid him it without the protection.
 

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The way I see it, if a guy gets butt hurt because you add in a moral clause when the player has a history of problems and he decides to walk because of it then you're better off without someone like that around.

I mean they could've ASKED/TOLD him about it instead of walking into the room with it added. This is the type thing a car dealer does when you buy a car. Have the out the door deal negotiated then suddenly they come back into the room with new dealer fee's added you've never seen. You don't do business with people like that EITHER!
 

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For most players, I might feel like saying "what the hell" with Stephen trying to put a behavior clause in the contract. But considering Gregory's history, I'm not going to blame a club for trying to protect itself.

After all, this is a guy who:
  • Never has played a full NFL Season
  • Never surpassed 6 sacks in an NFL Season
  • Never was great in Run Defense
  • Only was the started for 11 games in a single season (hell, 12 in total)
  • And is a behavioral suspension away from potentially being out of the NFL forever
I mean, the only real plus side on Gregory is for a nearly 30 year old, he should have very little NFL wear and tear on his body because he has almost missed 2x more games than he has played.

So ya. I'm sure we can find a "6 Sack Guy" at a MUCH lower cost and risk.

JMHO

We've already got that 6 sack guy.
At a much lower risk.

And the cost was only ...
130 million guaranteed over 7 years.

And nope I'm not even a Randy fanboy but you're totally right in saying Micah needs waaaay more help than HotBoy chasing QBs, lol
 

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I mean they could've ASKED/TOLD him about it instead of walking into the room with it added. This is the type thing a car dealer does when you buy a car. Have the out the door deal negotiated then suddenly they come back into the room with new dealer fee's added you've never seen. You don't do business with people like that EITHER!
I didn't want them to sign Gregory to that contract anyways, so if it takes them being stupid to screw it up then I'm cool with it. Their stupidity finally bailed us out of a bad situation instead of locking us into one.
 

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I see some are blaming him for his 11th hour contract verbiage that lost Gregory to Denver but that is a common negotiating tactic and how can he be faulted for trying to protect the club with a player with a spotty history?

I don't like Stephen but in this case, I will defend what he did, not really knowing what the 11th hour terms were but this team does not have a history with that so it had to be to protect the team.

Most refer to it as the "Columbo Close" and the timing of it is crucial. It is named for his "oh, one more thing" which was the real thing all along. It must be used when the buyer is already amenable to the close, objections have all been addressed and they want to do this.

I had it used against me many times and grew to expect it because it speaks to you are already in agreement and have just about taken ownership, you won't back out now. However, it does not allow for previous options being in place...like Denver with a matching offer on the table. I think that one caught them off guard.

You can bet this wasn't some last minute item they'd forgotten about, this was in the plan all along but it had to be played at the right moment. Do you think it was lost on them than in the last game of his contract year he behaved as he did on the field? His history with a tearful admission that he'd let his Mom down only to repeat that over and over again?

Think shades of Terrell Owens on his best behavior with one year renewable contracts until he got his three year deal. Say hello to the real Owens.

And this is a player that blew a drug test the week of the draft after being considered a top 15 pick. They had ample warning and the media would have been merciless with the cap situation and working it out to keep this guy should he go off the rails again. And something about Gregory made them nervous.

I really think Stephen did the right thing in this instance and if this 11th hour verbiage was behavior related and Gregory balked at that, that's all I need to know. He might be good in Denver but he had already proven what he could be in Dallas.


Agree to disagree. And it blew up in their faces.
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