In The History Of The NFL, 2 Guards Have Never Gone By 18.

[Beast_from_East]

Fellas, I was watching a podcast on Dallascowboys.com and I think it was Nick Eatman that said that 2 guards going by the 18th pick has never happened in the history of the NFL draft.

So he seemed to think all the talk of Cooper and Womack being gone is complete BS, like many had DeCastro going in the top 10 and he didn't go until the 20s.

So, do yall buy this or will both guards be gone setting a new NFL record?

 

[tm1119]

If its going to happen this could be the year, but I'm not as convinced as most that both guards will be gone. 1 will almost definitely go, but I think one will be available for us at !8.

 

[Blue Eyed Devil]

it will not happen this year.

Last year they said David Decastro was the best guard prospect in a decade and he went 23.

I would call it a lock that both of them will be there by 18 except for the fact that this draft is so weak it might push Warmack up. Cooper will definitely be there at 18. No way 2 are taken. Book it.

 

[Galian Beast]

I agree that I don't think 2 will go before 18, the only thing that makes it more likely is the rising cost of talented guards combined with a really lackluster draft for skill players, particularly quarterbacks.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Yea, I have to agree with yall that at least 1 will still be there at 18.


Now what if Cooper or Womack is sitting there for us and we trade down? Cowboy fans may storm the Deathstar with pitchforks.

 

[gimmesix]

Fellas, I was watching a podcast on Dallascowboys.com and I think it was Nick Eatman that said that 2 guards going by the 18th pick has never happened in the history of the NFL draft.

So he seemed to think all the talk of Cooper and Womack being gone is complete BS, like many had DeCastro going in the top 10 and he didn't go until the 20s.

So, do yall buy this or will both guards be gone setting a new NFL record?

Eatman is wrong. In fact, two guards (interior players) have gone in the top 10 two times in the modern era of the draft. The last time was 1988 when Dave Cadigan was No. 8 and Eric Moore was 10.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Eatman is wrong. In fact, two guards (interior players) have gone in the top 10 two times in the modern era of the draft. The last time was 1988 when Dave Cadigan was No. 8 and Eric Moore was 10.

Nick Eatman being wrong?


Cant be.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Fellas, I was watching a podcast on Dallascowboys.com and I think it was Nick Eatman that said that 2 guards going by the 18th pick has never happened in the history of the NFL draft.

So he seemed to think all the talk of Cooper and Womack being gone is complete BS, like many had DeCastro going in the top 10 and he didn't go until the 20s.

So, do yall buy this or will both guards be gone setting a new NFL record?

I would ask how many times in the history of the NFL draft only 1 QB, 1WR and 0 RBs were taken by the 18th pick. I'm sure this might have some bearing on why 2 guards will be gone this early.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I would ask how many times in the history of the NFL draft only 1 QB, 1WR and 0 RBs were taken by the 18th pick. I'm sure this might have some bearing on why 2 guards will be gone this early.

True...........I think it was Elway that said this is the worst draft class he has seen in over 10 years.


Stay tuned...........

 

[gimmesix]

True...........I think it was Elway that said this is the worst draft class he has seen in over 10 years.


Stay tuned...........

That's because it's lacking in flash. It has a lot of solid, first-round players in the trenches and that depth continues on after the first round.

Dallas needs to take advantage by working on the lines in the first two rounds, although the safety class has four or five first- to early second-round talents as well.

 

[Beast_from_East]

That's because it's lacking in flash. It has a lot of solid, first-round players in the trenches and that depth continues on after the first round.

Surprisingly, this draft is deep in what Dallas actually needs.........trench players.


Its the skilled players that are no shows in this draft. Kinda sucks for KC, got the number 1 pick the year after Luck and RG3 come out.

That's got to hurt.

 

[Idgit]

Teams sure seem convinced both OGs will be gone. Maybe they both just rate that highly. I still have trouble believing it.

Especially since you can sign your top 15 players to 5 year deals. That would indicate to me that you'd be more inclined to take your QBs and your OTs and your DTs and CBs even early. Players who play positions where that extra year on a rookie contract can make a bigger difference for your cap. 'Cheaper' positions to fill in FA, then, it would stand to reason, will drop further. Sure, you might trade back into the 20s for that QB starter kit if you miss him in the top 12 or so picks, but if taking him earlier means you can save $5-6M on that fifth year of his contract, is it worth it? Or do you back up from your top-10 pick a slot or two now and just take him?

Either way, honestly, I don't much care. I'd love to plug in an OG and be done with it, but if those guys are gone, there are going to be good players at more important positions available as a result. There are short-term options at OG laying around, and we've got a couple of really good coaches for that position group. If we give them sufficient resources, they'll get it sorted. If we end up with a DL, or move back 5-6 spots and fill the S spot while adding another 3rd rounder, I'll be just as happy as I would have been with the OG.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Teams sure seem convinced both OGs will be gone. Maybe they both just rate that highly. I still have trouble believing it.

Especially since you can sign your top 15 players to 5 year deals. That would indicate to me that you'd be more inclined to take your QBs and your OTs and your DTs and CBs even early. Players who play positions where that extra year on a rookie contract can make a bigger difference for your cap. 'Cheaper' positions to fill in FA, then, it would stand to reason, will drop further. Sure, you might trade back into the 20s for that QB starter kit if you miss him in the top 12 or so picks, but if taking him earlier means you can save $5-6M on that fifth year of his contract, is it worth it? Or do you back up from your top-10 pick a slot or two now and just take him?

Either way, honestly, I don't much care. I'd love to plug in an OG and be done with it, but if those guys are gone, there are going to be good players at more important positions available as a result. There are short-term options at OG laying around, and we've got a couple of really good coaches for that position group. If we give them sufficient resources, they'll get it sorted. If we end up with a DL, or move back 5-6 spots and fill the S spot while adding another 3rd rounder, I'll be just as happy as I would have been with the OG.

Good point about the extra year on the contract for top 15 players.

 

[IrishAnto]

Either way, honestly, I don't much care. I'd love to plug in an OG and be done with it, but if those guys are gone, there are going to be good players at more important positions available as a result. There are short-term options at OG laying around, and we've got a couple of really good coaches for that position group. If we give them sufficient resources, they'll get it sorted. If we end up with a DL, or move back 5-6 spots and fill the S spot while adding another 3rd rounder, I'll be just as happy as I would have been with the OG.

I’ll be honest, if the top 5 OL prospects are off the board by the 18 pick then I’ll be sorely disappointed, however you can’t pick what’s not there so I’d definitely go another route if we stand pat at 18.

If by the end of the 2nd round we still haven’t picked a suitable OL then disappointment will turn to anger as history (both recent and longer) shows us the Cowboys will likely end up with nothing.

We may have good coaches for that position group, but they’re not turning water into wine.

Sufficient resources to me will mean at least one OL pick in the top two rounds.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Fellas, I was watching a podcast on Dallascowboys.com and I think it was Nick Eatman that said that 2 guards going by the 18th pick has never happened in the history of the NFL draft.

So he seemed to think all the talk of Cooper and Womack being gone is complete BS, like many had DeCastro going in the top 10 and he didn't go until the 20s.

So, do yall buy this or will both guards be gone setting a new NFL record?

It has been since the 60's since a RB did not go in the first round of the NFL draft. People are predicting it could and probably will happen this year.

People don't take kickers in the first round...but the Raiders did.

Jerry never drafted an offensive linemen with the first round pick in the draft...until he did with T. Smith.

Anything can happen in the draft. Just because it has not happened before does not mean it will not happen.

 

[noshame]

the lack of skilled players has caused a over-rating of the non skilled. Honestly, I would not be surprised if the Gs are gone, and I hope somebody wants to take our pick. I'll gladly save picks for next year.

 

[Dhragon]

Surprisingly, this draft is deep in what Dallas actually needs.........trench players.


Its the skilled players that are no shows in this draft. Kinda sucks for KC, got the number 1 pick the year after Luck and RG3 come out.

That's got to hurt.

Actually, I seem to be hearing at least for OL that this draft is top heavy in OL, not deep. More top end talent but not very deep after that. At least according to ESPN and Kiper etc

 

[burmafrd]

I think third round is where the talent in the O line this year ends. After that there is nothing but projects- risky ones.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think third round is where the talent in the O line this year ends. After that there is nothing but projects- risky ones.

Liking the Winters kid.

Also went back and watched the senior bowl practices and Quesenberry still popped out to me.

Schwenke(sp?) also popped out again.

Also on the other side of the ball Datone Jones, Sly Williams and that Williams Kid from the small school (southern missouri ?) stood out.

 

[Hostile]

This thread is not accurate. In 1988 Cadigan and Moore were drafted as Tackles.

The very first Draft, held in 1936 had 3 guards taken at picks 7, 8, and 14.

In 1947 two were taken at picks 3 and 16.

In 1960 three Guards taken at 7, 14, and 16.

In 1966 two Guards were taken at 2 and 5, the second was John Niland by the Cowboys.

In 1967 Gene Upshaw, a Hall of Famer was the 3rd Guard taken at 17. Guards also taken at 9 and 12.

In 1975 at 3 and 13 two Guard taken.

In 1976 at 14 and 15.

In 1977 the 2nd was taken at 18, the first at 14.

In 1982 Hall of Famer Mike Munchak was taken at 8, and another Guard was taken at 17.

I sent this info to the OP last night but I guess he missed it. Eatman is completely wrong if he said this.