inactives, Carp out again

[iceberg]

What about that Marcus McNeil kid>

i'd have loved him over fasano but i doubt we'd ever go 1st 2 picks on the OL - but to me it would have been a heck of a start.

we keep patching the OL and hoping it holds when it's the one things we *know* bledsoe has to have (and most qb's, rb's and wr's LOVE) so bp can run around and keep "fine tuning" his defense at the expense of the offense to me.

 

[junk]

yeah but he WAS drafted because he was expected to start at OLB...nobody knew Ellis would be able to transition to OLB the way he has and definitely no-one knew that Burnett would be ready...had they known those two things in April I doubt they would have drafted Carpenter

David

Oh, I agree.

People seem to conveniently forget what a potential mess the LB position was last year and want to say "We should have drafted so and so".

Ellis was playing a new position, wanted to be traded and was generally whining. Singleton hasn't finished a season in 2 years. I still don't think Burnett is a SOLB.

 

[Natedawg44]

i would have traded down, not taking one at 18. but possibly justice, joseph or the center the jets took. i'm still not sold on gurode.

yea, i know i'm mixing/matching guards and tackles and centers now - but to me our line needs a lot more help than our LB core so take your best available lineman and improve.

I agree totally, I'm just waiting for the amazing kreskins and Carp apologists to show up and say Davin Joseph, Winston Justice or Nick Mangold would be inactive too.

 

[Dallas4ever]

im starting to think bobby is a bust. he has had no playing time and when he did the Commanders ran back that kickoff. please no arguing. im just stating my opinion.

At this point it would be hard to argue. 1st round pick not even suiting up. Still very early.............but he's got bust written all over him. I truly hope that he'll find a way to at least suit up......folks will offer the depth at LB as an excuse for him but I'm not buying that one at all.

 

[junk]

That's about the size of it.

We probably would have traded down.

I think they may have looked into it as it was. However, nobody was biting. Got to have a partner to trade down.

That is why these people that say things like "We should have traded down and taken OL and then drafted so and so in the 5th" really don't have any clue what they are talking about.

 

[Tass]

i'd have loved him over fasano but i doubt we'd ever go 1st 2 picks on the OL - but to me it would have been a heck of a start.

we keep patching the OL and hoping it holds when it's the one things we *know* bledsoe has to have (and most qb's, rb's and wr's LOVE) so bp can run around and keep "fine tuning" his defense at the expense of the offense to me.

No, dude, I meant pick him in lieu of Carpenter. Then we'd still have Fasano.

 

[junk]

i would have traded down, not taking one at 18. but possibly justice, joseph or the center the jets took. i'm still not sold on gurode.

yea, i know i'm mixing/matching guards and tackles and centers now - but to me our line needs a lot more help than our LB core so take your best available lineman and improve.

Justice hasn't been active yet this season.

Who would you have traded down with? You know the other team has to agree to a trade as well. It is pretty easy after the fact to say "Oh, I would have just traded down and then drafted so and so later on"

 

[Rack]

recent talk of flo being benched are not uncommon, rack.

i doubt our "intent" when we drafted carp was to leave him at home a lot also. our OL needed so much more help than our LB's but parcells has a super-love for LB's and DE's and if there's a family or italian connection to be made, it's almost guaranteed to be a bp pick.

the bottom line is our OL needs help all over the place, our LB's are more than just fine and we keep going for more there and ignoring the line with moves like kozer and fabini.

What's that got to do with WHY we drafted McQ back in April?

You said he was drafted to replace Flo. That is incorrect.

 

[junk]

What about that Marcus McNeil kid>

Could have taken him in 2.....and Dallas moved down. They obviously had no interest.

 

[iceberg]

What's that got to do with WHY we drafted McQ back in April?

You said he was drafted to replace Flo. That is incorrect.

what i meant rack is that the talk is flo's about to be benched and mcq put in. i never said we drafted mcq to replace flo.

 

[iceberg]

Justice hasn't been active yet this season.

Who would you have traded down with? You know the other team has to agree to a trade as well. It is pretty easy after the fact to say "Oh, I would have just traded down and then drafted so and so later on"

good question i just can't answer. it would have taken a draft-day run to look around. as for justice not starting - fine. but if there's a *chance* a 7th round pick will soon be in flo's spot (you know, the same flo who's mere return would be enough for our OL? people forget this mantra i fought through all pre-season) then there's be an even greater chance someone with more potential and upside, such as a justice, would be playing and doing better than a 7th round pick who wasn't even projected to be drafted.

we're in dire need of quality and pedigree on the OL and we're not doing it.

 

[Rush 2112]

i would have traded down, not taking one at 18. but possibly justice, joseph or the center the jets took. i'm still not sold on gurode.

yea, i know i'm mixing/matching guards and tackles and centers now - but to me our line needs a lot more help than our LB core so take your best available lineman and improve.

Nice job spreading your risk.

Now all you need is for one of Justice, Joseph or Mangold to play well so you can say "look, I told you so".

 

[big dog cowboy]

OT Pat McQuistan

That is the name that completely surprises me. With a potential blowout in line for today, this would be the perfect time for him to get some snaps in the 4th quarter.

 

[iceberg]

No, dude, I meant pick him in lieu of Carpenter. Then we'd still have Fasano.

i'd not have taken him in the 1st round, no. but in the 2nd i'd have looked at him over another TE, sure.

 

[iceberg]

Nice job spreading your risk.

Now all you need is for one of Justice, Joseph or Mangold to play well so you can say "look, I told you so".

oh, as if i don't have enough people here now saying "god you're stupid!!!" more or less. : )

i was asked who i'd have been interested in, and i listed them. that's all. my end-point is that bp goes nuts on the defense and i think it takes quality, or potential quality, away from the OL - and yes - this is my facination of what i feel we need to fix in a serious fashion to have success again.

 

[burmafrd]

At the time of the draft it appeared that OLB was just as big a need as O line- and you had someone right there at 18 who looked to be ready to step in and play. Virtually every scouting report considered Carp the most ready to play LB prospect other then Hawk. It was a safe pick- and as it turns out one that could have been used other wise. But that is 20-20 hindsight.
I have to laugh at those that convienently forget all the first rd busts on O line (Gallery, Mandarich, etc) and think that one chosen there would immediately be able to step in. McQ had the physical attributes needed- but was so raw that many discounted him and that is why he fell to the 7th rd. His twin brother was taken in the 3rd. Colledge is about the only guy that we were interested in and he got grabbed before our pick in the 2nd rd. I frankly saw no one outside of Ferguson on the O line that was worth a first rd pick. Mangold was not on the radar since we were going to have a battle in camp between Gurode and AJ.

 

[Natedawg44]

Justice hasn't been active yet this season.

Who would you have traded down with? You know the other team has to agree to a trade as well. It is pretty easy after the fact to say "Oh, I would have just traded down and then drafted so and so later on"

Justice being inactive or not is irrelevant. Maybe the eagles are better at the tackles than we are. Maybe he would do better with our coaching, maybe worse. Who knows. Maybe Carpenter would be active playing for the eagles. I think Iceberg is saying in his opinion an offensive lineman would have been a better fit for our team at this point and hindsight is 20/20. You can't argue otherwise if Carpenter continues to not suit up.