Infatuated with some plausible creativity that could emerge with this RB cmte and this OC/HC

[DuncanIso]

Huge mistake letting Zeke walk last season.

Zeke is back. Tony is gone.

Zeke > Tony.

It’s settled.

 

[Chasing6]

Huge mistake letting Zeke walk last season.

Zeke is back. Tony is gone.

Zeke > Tony.

It’s settled.

Huge mistake paying $10M for a RB.

Why do we have no legit RB, when our #1 RB is gone?

Why are we about to have no legit QB, when our QB is about to walk?

Can anyone define what the role of GM might be?

What did we get for Pollard leaving? What are we going to get for Dak leaving?

GM Jethro wants to build a SB team on draft picks and comp picks. With no succession plan in place at key positions.

 

[Roadtrip635]

So, we could run the Diamond and T formations, might as well and go all the way and run the Wishbone and Army's Flexbone too......
A long off-season, feeling longer........

 

[Chasing6]

So, we could run the Diamond and T formations, might as well and go all the way and run the Wishbone and Army's Flexbone too......
A long off-season, feeling longer........

Can we also run a defense with 9 in box so we can stop a running game?

 

[Roadtrip635]

Can we also run a defense with 9 in box so we can stop a running game?

It may be debatable that we could stop a running game with 9 in the box.......lol

 

[Chasing6]

It may be debatable that we could stop a running game with 9 in the box.......lol

They only time we can stop the run on a consistent basis is on a pass play.

 

[_sturt_]

So, we could run the Diamond and T formations, might as well and go all the way and run the Wishbone and Army's Flexbone too......
A long off-season, feeling longer........

Dismissiveness isn't a valid argument. It's not even an argument. It's just dismissiveness. When people have substance on their side, they choose substance b/c substance is persuasive. Among the substitutes available... insult, ad hominem, avoidance, dismissivness, or outright making things up (lying)... I suppose it's as good as any, though.

 

[_sturt_]

Another example of Ravens' use of diamond...

 

[JoeKing]

Just fix the O-line and the RBs will be fine.

 

[DuncanIso]

Huge mistake paying $10M for a RB.

Why do we have no legit RB, when our #1 RB is gone?

Why are we about to have no legit QB, when our QB is about to walk?

Can anyone define what the role of GM might be?

What did we get for Pollard leaving? What are we going to get for Dak leaving?

GM Jethro wants to build a SB team on draft picks and comp picks. With no succession plan in place at key positions.

Tony had one good leg.

Some of us called this out before the start of last season.

Zeke is 3rd leading rusher in team history.

4TDs short of tying Dorsett.

 

[Chasing6]

Tony had one good leg.

Some of us called this out before the start of last season.

Zeke is 3rd leading rusher in team history.

4TDs short of tying Dorsett.

Jethro has too much Zeke jersey inventory to sell.

 

[1time4urMind]

It's the off-season of the off-season, of course, which means it's the time, if ever you're going to talk about nerdy things like offensive formation possibilities... mere possibilities... then this is that time.

So, for what it's worth... probably nothing... here's my vision of a new package that McCarthy could plausibly introduce this season, given the stable of RBs that we have, and their somewhat differentiated skill sets.

https://fortheblogy.com/inside-penn-states-playbook-diamond-formation/

Once you read, or at least scan that link... give some specific attention to the part that reads, "As it turns out, having a pocket full of “Aces” offered Yurcich play-calling options out of Diamond that were simply off the table at Oklahoma State. Within a limited 6-game trial run, it feels as if Yurcich only scratched the surface of what Diamond can do to opposing defenses when your entire Diamond backfield is filled with versatile athletes."

So, making application to our situation, I'm seeing a pocket full of aces.

Dare to imagine with me the idea of running this or very similar with a base of Rico as the head of the diamond, Zeke as the cowboy back to one side, and Luepke to the other side. All three are capable blockers. All three have been legitimate ball carriers.

Then, building on that, you've got some intriguing alternatives to that base.

Deuce can be the head of that diamond, and you can push Rico forward to a cowboy position, or not.

CeeDee can be the head of the diamond, or you can also position CeeDee at a cowboy position, either to flare out for a pass play, or to take an inside sweep handoff... or to act as a decoy for something completely different, perhaps a screen to the other side.

Trey Lance can be the head of the diamond, for any number of Taysom Hill-like possibilities.

Or, for 3rd and 1, your jumbo package can be Zeke as the head of the diamond, with Luepke paired with, say, TJ Bass as cowboy backs.

For those who mainly just want to see what I'm talking about, not necessarily read... here are a few clips...



Fun to think about, anyway. Again, just some stray thoughts for a lazy off-season Sunday afternoon.

Philly has way better personnel for something like this.

 

[_sturt_]

Philly has way better personnel for something like this.

Whether true or false or maybe, hardly matters. That's not the comparison. The comparison is the DAL offense with it, and the DAL offense without it, and not based on actual data, but just logic and theory. So for now, it's just an interesting off-season discussion. For some of us, anyway.

 

[1time4urMind]

Whether true or false or maybe, hardly matters. That's not the comparison. The comparison is the DAL offense with it, and the DAL offense without it, and not based on actual data, but just logic and theory. So for now, it's just an interesting off-season discussion. For some of us, anyway.

Which I participated in. Lol

Dallas would be worse with it.
Dallas would be better without it.

... even if they did have the personnel to make it work (kinda like Swift and Barkley and Hurts...)....

Dallas would be worse with it.
Dallas would be better without it.

Based on no actual data.... Based on logic and theory.

Go back to school, Dangerfield.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Dismissiveness isn't a valid argument. It's not even an argument. It's just dismissiveness. When people have substance on their side, they choose substance b/c substance is persuasive. Among the substitutes available... insult, ad hominem, avoidance, dismissivness, or outright making things up (lying)... I suppose it's as good as any, though.

These types formations can work at the college level, largely due to the disparity of talent levels, the differences in talent is much closer in the NFL. The Ravens have used some of these principles, in large part, because it was building their plans around their QB, who is an exceptional athlete and runner with limited passing game threats. While Ravens have had personnel that could utilize these formations, they like the Cowboys have had limited playoff success, because NFL defenses are too good and even they are trying to move away from using as often.

It looks intriguing on paper and at times on the collegiate level, but NFL defenses adapt very quickly. We could use it a handful of times a game, but we really don't have the personnel for it to be used more than the occasional gimmick play.

 

[MyFairLady]

They only time we can stop the run on a consistent basis is on a pass play.

LOL that was funny stuff.

 

[Bagman]

RB is probably the weakest position on the team. Why would you want to put that many backs out there in that case?

You want to get your best players on the field. If anything, we'd want to put more WRs or TEs out there instead.

Its the formation. RBs are required. Can't put WR in place of RBs. A good, flexible and varied run attack would do wonders for this team.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Its the formation. RBs are required. Can't put WR in place of RBs. A good, flexible and varied run attack would do wonders for this team.

Of course. I'm saying that's why you wouldn't use that formation on this team with such a poor RB group.

 

[DuncanIso]

It’s the formation. RBs are required. Can't put WR in place of RBs. A good, flexible and varied run attack would do wonders for this team.

Yes.

Zeke scores a lot of TDs.

 

[_sturt_]

These types formations can work at the college level, largely due to the disparity of talent levels

Um. No. Any formation at the college level could conceivably "work" due to disparity of talent. Any. Because, in that case, it's not about the formation in the first place, and so the success has nothing to do with how they line up.

While Ravens have had personnel that could utilize these formations, they like the Cowboys have had limited playoff success, because NFL defenses are too good and even they are trying to move away from using as often.

So, your theory is, the Ravens haven't had ultimate playoff success because they used a formation that worked?

And. Exactly what is your perception of the percentage of plays that the Ravens used the diamond?

And. What is your evidence for saying, "they are trying to move away from using as often"... so, again, important to establish how "often" it was used, so we can assess the "trying" you allege.

we really don't have the personnel for it to be used more than the occasional gimmick play.

I've posted in this thread now about a half dozen reasons why this conclusion is completely... completely... absurd. To the complete contrary, we have arguably as good a stable of weapons as one could imagine to make this formation highly highly effective. It's why the damn thread was ever started in the first place. So, "because I said so" might cut it for you and for a few others who perhaps come to this kind of conversation with a contrarian tilt... but for the rest of us, "because I said so" falls flat.