Insight to "Jerry's Meddling"

[AbeBeta]

Nobody here knows what Phillips thinks of Campo, so it's premature at this point to crucify Jerry for this.

Honestly, I don't think there is an HC in the league who wouldn't like Campo given the situation - let's see -- deeply experienced assistant coach who has a very strong record coaching DBs. He's got tons of D-coord experience as well. Best of all he's absolutely no threat to Wade's job and by most accounts is a good guy and a hard worker.

of course, I'd rather have a young up and comer but if we are getting retreads, Campo is a good one.

 

[windward]

Welcome to the forum, Dave Campo. Glad to see you're doing well in the offseason. One thing you forgot to mention when you were telling us about your padded resume as secondary coach (and conveniently leaving off your jobs as DC or HC) - pass rush. In three of the years you mentioned (1992-1994), the Cowboys had Charles Haley as a defensive end. I'm sure you are well aware with your second-to-none coaching resume that a great pass rush makes any secondary look good.

and we have DeMarcus Ware now, so what really is your point? Is it that teams with talented players make coaches look better than teams with poor players?

That's a profound thought, there. You could use the argument that so and so is not a good coach because they had player x and player x did this to make coach so and so look good. Talent alone, does not guarantee success, as this year's Cowboys can attest to.

The only fair way we can evaluate Campo's track record is to track the success of the secondaries he has coached in the past. They have been for the most part pretty successful.

I am going to repeat what I said yesterday. People are letting the memories of 5-11 prevent themselves from giving Campo an honest evaluation of his track record. Instead it provokes an overly irrational, visceral opposition.

 

[lewpac]

Sorry, but I have to do this. Jerry cannot "meddle". He is the GM, do some of you forget that? GMs are responsible for hiring the coaching staff. Sure, they get input from the head coach and I'm sure JJ is talking to everyone before a hire is made. Thats not meddling, that called acting as the GM of the Cowboys!

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been "on board" since Dallas was called "The team that can't win the big one". Circa 1965-1971. And I, along with many of you, vividly recall the great "takeover" in the late 80's when Jones bought the team and hired Jimmy Johnson as HC. I also vividly recall all the mocking, laughter and dissing of everything "Jerry Jones" back then.............just an Arkansas "hick" billionaire wanting to "play" NFL team owner. Don't forget all the hell Jerry got for "dissing" the "game has passed me by" Tom Landry (no disrespect, of course).
Conveniently forgotten in the aftermath, and the "silence was deafening", are the THREE SUPER BOWL RINGS" (and should've been about five) that came about DIRECTLY AND ONLY because of Jerry Jones!!! And for all you Jimmy vs. Jerry arguers, JERRY HIRED JIMMY against ALL CONVENTIONAL WISDOM!!!!! He got taken to the wood-shed for THAT too.
Listen, this thread was started by someone who's looking for a problem with Jerry Jones, and has bought into the media/East Coast/Niner hatred for Jones................calling himself a Cowboy fan.
Owner after owner after owner shows up on the sidelines during many a game...............but if it's Jerry Jones, it's MEDDLING!!!
Bottom line.........................J. Jones is going to scratch, sweat, claw, burp, fart, fight, itch, curse, gnarl, etc, etc, etc.............until he gets another ring. Find fault in THAT if you wish, but the problem in Dallas is NOT and NEVER WILL BE the owner, Jerry Jones..................

 

[STSINAZ]

i bet we go to the 4-3 when garrett becomes coach also---especially if campo is hired...he will probably be the d coordinator...fergy and canty in the middle...ware and spencer on the ends...with rat, hatcher playing backup along with tank...spears will be gone...james and akin on the outside or burnett...who knows how that will workout all i know is it would...roy back in the 4-3 would be good too for him if he isnt cut at that point...think about it...if wade goes the 3-4 probably is too...stewart...gone...the key is campo...he is not a 3-4 guy

 

[Chief]

... the problem in Dallas is NOT and NEVER WILL BE the owner, Jerry Jones..................

Just curious.

What is the problem in Dallas?

 

[5Stars]

Just curious.

What is the problem in Dallas?

I heard it was Jessica Simpson! Am I close?

:laugh1:

 

[Woods]

With respect to Thurman, isn't he still under contract? I thought that he was.

And if so, I'm not sure why the Ravens would let him coach DBs in Dallas which would be a lateral move.

And as for Gray, isn't he also still under contract?

Campo may be one of the few realistic and good (IMO, at least) options out there.

 

[CF74]

i bet we go to the 4-3 when garrett becomes coach also---especially if campo is hired...he will probably be the d coordinator...fergy and canty in the middle...ware and spencer on the ends...with rat, hatcher playing backup along with tank...spears will be gone...james and akin on the outside or burnett...who knows how that will workout all i know is it would...roy back in the 4-3 would be good too for him if he isnt cut at that point...think about it...if wade goes the 3-4 probably is too...stewart...gone...the key is campo...he is not a 3-4 guy

Fergy is going into his 12th season this year so by the time Garrett takes over he might not be around anymore...

 

[CF74]

Just curious.

What is the problem in Dallas?

Quality depth...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, the problem I have with this whole idea is that you don't hire coaches for a HC that is not yet hired. Two, GMs have no business hiring coaching staffs. They can hire a HC but that is where it should stop. The HC should have say over who is hired for his coaching staff IMO. That's just how it needs to work if your going to have success. At least, that's how I see it.

 

[notherbob]

I guess I'm just getting old but I find myself not caring much this year. I don't see much point in paying much attention until December in light of all thw late season collapses this team has had in the last few years. Wake me on or after Thanksgiving. I just find it really hard to get very interested at this point.

If they win, fine, but if not, there's always next Sept., Oct. and Nov. It almost seems to me the boys are playing a 12 game schedule while the rest of the league is playing 16.

 

[Bleu Star]

Just say no to retread Campo.

 

[silverbear]

Can do.

He was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland in 2003 and 2004. From 2005 to 2007 he was Jacksonville's secondary coach. Here are their rankings in yardage yards per attempt and tds allowed

2003
ypg ypa tds
7th 7th 3rd
2004
ypg ypa tds
5th 4th 13th
2005
ypg ypa tds
7th 7th 22nd
2006
ypg ypa tds
10th 10th 2nd
2007
ypg ypa tds
15th 11th 11th

Pretty solid with only one out of nine possible rankings in this scenario where they were not in the league's upper half.

Oh yeah,no Deion Sanders, either.

Thanks for such a prompt and informative response... you're right, that's no bad track record...

 

[Bach]

Bottom line.........................J. Jones is going to scratch, sweat, claw, burp, fart, fight, itch, curse, gnarl, etc, etc, etc.............until he gets another ring. Find fault in THAT if you wish, but the problem in Dallas is NOT and NEVER WILL BE the owner, Jerry Jones..................

LOL!!!

 

[CowboyJeff]

How does that explain his stint as secondary coaches with other teams?

Because a coach worked with other teams that means he's a good hire???? Oh man!!! Sorry, but that one was too funny. I guess the Cowboys better bring Bruce Coslett back as well. Another horrible coach who worked with numerous teams.

 

[windward]

Because a coach worked with other teams that means he's a good hire???? Oh man!!! Sorry, but that one was too funny. I guess the Cowboys better bring Bruce Coslett back as well. Another horrible coach who worked with numerous teams.

Nice evasion tactic, especially when you gloss over the numbers I provided.

They show that his pass defenses were generally pretty good, often finishing in the top ten of the League, in case you're interested.

Warning, though. These facts might just crimp your style and we just wouldn't want that, right?

 

[CowboyJeff]

and we have DeMarcus Ware now, so what really is your point? Is it that teams with talented players make coaches look better than teams with poor players?

That's a profound thought, there. You could use the argument that so and so is not a good coach because they had player x and player x did this to make coach so and so look good. Talent alone, does not guarantee success, as this year's Cowboys can attest to.

The only fair way we can evaluate Campo's track record is to track the success of the secondaries he has coached in the past. They have been for the most part pretty successful.

I am going to repeat what I said yesterday. People are letting the memories of 5-11 prevent themselves from giving Campo an honest evaluation of his track record. Instead it provokes an overly irrational, visceral opposition.

Look - Dave Campo is a very nice guy. I know, because I interviewed him many times in the past. With that said, he reminds me a lot of former Jets and Eagles coach Rich Kotite personality-wise and on the field as a coach.

When I evaluate Campo, only go by what he did as a DB coach and DC. Zimmer was responsible for the defense when Campo was a HC. You cant compare the ferocity of the 1992-1994 Cowboys pass rush with the current Cowboys pass rush. Does Ware strike fear in an opposing team? Absolutely. But that 1992-1994 team had so many stars on the DL it almost wasnt fair to the opposing team. Even players like Larry Brown looked so good he won a SB MVP after the 1995 season. What did he do in Oakland with a horrible DL? Nothing.....I guess he forgot everything Campo taught him.

Could Campo do a good job here as a DB coach? Sure. Could he fall flat on his face and do worse? Sure. Do I want him back here in any capacity? No Way!!!!

 

[CowboyJeff]

Nice evasion tactic, especially when you gloss over the numbers I provided.

They show that his pass defenses were generally pretty good, often finishing in the top ten of the League, in case you're interested.

Warning, though. These facts might just crimp your style and we just wouldn't want that, right?

You're smart enough to know you can make a stat say anything you want: such as "This team is #1 against the pass..." Yeah, that's because teams run for 400 yards a game against them.....

The bottom line: I DO NOT WANT CAMPO AS PART OF THIS TEAM!!!

 

[windward]

You're smart enough to know you can make a stat say anything you want: such as "This team is #1 against the pass..." Yeah, that's because teams run for 400 yards a game against them.....

The bottom line: I DO NOT WANT CAMPO AS PART OF THIS TEAM!!!

You're right. I can make a stat say anything I want, in theory. But when the stats overwhelmingly state that his pass defenses were good, maybe, just maybe his pass defenses were pretty good.

Sure, Cleveland run D struggled, but they had awful personnel during that time period, far below than this current Cowboys defense. But Jacksonville's run D didn't struggle and they still produced solid pass defenses. They have a good defense, probably on par with our current defense. No Deion Sanders, Charles Haley or crazy Dline depth there.

Don't want Campo? That's fine. But it does not mean he is a bad hire.

 

[CowboyJeff]

You're right. I can make a stat say anything I want, in theory. But when the stats overwhelmingly state that his pass defenses were good, maybe, just maybe his pass defenses were pretty good.

Sure, Cleveland run D struggled, but they had awful personnel during that time period, far below than this current Cowboys defense. But Jacksonville's run D didn't struggle and they still produced solid pass defenses. They have a good defense, probably on par with our current defense. No Deion Sanders, Charles Haley or crazy Dline depth there.

Don't want Campo? That's fine. But it does not mean he is a bad hire.

Want Campo? That's fine too. But it also does not mean he is a great hire.

The bottom line is if he's hired here I'll accept it like I accept all our hires. After the next head coaching switch the truth will come out anyway, whether or not Campo was Jerry's forced hire or Wade's insistence.