Interesting comments about Chris Palmer from Texans Board

[Maikeru-sama]

I know a little bit about Chris Palmer, but I thought I would just mossy on down the road to the Houston Texans' Messageboard and get some of their thoughts.

Hi Mike. I know he's had success at some places and he's an old Parcells guy which is a big plus for Bill. He's loyal to people he's been with. To a fault.

He wouldn't be my choice. I thought his offense was kind of dull. But you know the Texans didn't do any better under Pendry so some people think it was all Coach Capers fault anyway and Palmer was a scapegoat. I don't know if that's true or not. I guess this is Bill's hire then.

Palmer was a scapegoat here. I think you'll do fine with him. IMO, his style involved more passing, and Capers was a run-oriented coach. when the offense was run the way palmer wanted, they performed better. Don't look to the way we've played this year as Palmer's style. That was Pendry, and we got 2-14 out of it.

He ran Capers offense here. Don't look here for what he did. Look at Jacksonville during Mark Brunell's younger days.

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[CIWhitefish]

Nice post. It really points to the fact that OC and HC have to be in sinc. You can have a great OC but unless the HC lets him do his thing it doesn't work as well. I wouldn't mind Palmer simply because I believe Bill will let him do more from the start than somebody who he is not familiar with. I hope something is done today or tomorrow.

 

[Woods]

That's sounds more encouraging, IMO, than some of the other threads we have been reading about Palmer.

 

[TLW47]

Unless the Texans improve their offensive line (sound familiar?) no offensive genius will fix what's broken down there. That's Casserly's fault. Carr has regressed rather than progressed in the 3 years or whatever it is he's been there.

 

[cobra]

Will all due respect, considering the amount of uninformed "expert" analysis we have on this board, I find it hard to accept the opinions of those on other boards. Hell, someone on another board could find choice quotes showing that Quincy is actually a good quarterback from posters like kartr. Hopefully users on other boards wouldn't accept that as sound analysis.

I think Palmer will be ok. Those random opinions aren't going to persuade me (nor should they persuade anyone) one way or another.

 

[JackMagist]

He ran Capers offense here. Don't look here for what he did. Look at Jacksonville during Mark Brunell's younger days.

And he will be running Parcells offense here. It will be out of the frying pan and into the fire for Palmer coming here and trying to coach offense for Parcells.

 

[Duane]

Very nice find Mick.

I'm of the opinion that he's probably not the best guy we could have brought in but he's not the worst either. He obviously had success when he had talent to work with. The key to his success IMO is going to be the offensive line play. Until we get that fixed nothing is going to work.

 

[kartr]

Will all due respect, considering the amount of uninformed "expert" analysis we have on this board, I find it hard to accept the opinions of those on other boards. Hell, someone on another board could find choice quotes showing that Quincy is actually a good quarterback from posters like kartr. Hopefully users on other boards wouldn't accept that as sound analysis.

I think Palmer will be ok. Those random opinions aren't going to persuade me (nor should they persuade anyone) one way or another.

Carter has had more success than Carr, td/int ratio, wins, wins against quality defenses. Carr couldn't even beat Cleveland at home in 2004, while Carter beat them on the road despite being sacked 5 times in the first half.

 

[AbeBeta]

And he will be running Parcells offense here. It will be out of the frying pan and into the fire for Palmer coming here and trying to coach offense for Parcells.

But I think that is what he was doing in NE under BP as well - and that turned out pretty well

 

[TLW47]

Yea let's not ask other teams fans about coaches or players on their team. I mean what would they know? How could they possibly form an intelligent opinion.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Will all due respect, considering the amount of uninformed "expert" analysis we have on this board, I find it hard to accept the opinions of those on other boards. Hell, someone on another board could find choice quotes showing that Quincy is actually a good quarterback from posters like kartr. Hopefully users on other boards wouldn't accept that as sound analysis.

I think Palmer will be ok. Those random opinions aren't going to persuade me (nor should they persuade anyone) one way or another.

Well excccccuuuuuuse me.....

Those are not random and "choice" quotes. That is why I posted the full link so you could see what everyone was saying. When I posted the link, there was only 3 Comments in that thread, which there are probably more now.

Gawd, Quincy Carter's name is brought up in every thread. Reminds me of an old verse from a 2Pac song...every where I go I see the....nevermind....

- Mike G.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm relatively guarded on any effect a coordinator will have here, positive or negative, considering we're going to use the same scheme and philosophy.

But one thing that strikes me as odd is a lot of people who are down on Chris Palmer because of his failed stint in Houston also wanted to bring in Dom Capers to be the DC here. You don't want to bring in someone who merely contributed to the failure in Houston, but you want the mastermind behind the failure?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

But I think that is what he was doing in NE under BP as well - and that turned out pretty well

Was Palmer the Offensive Coordinator for the New England Patriots at one time? He served as the Wide Receiver Coach from 1993-1995 and the Quarterbacks Coach in 1996.

I dont think he was calling plays when he was the QB Coach?

- Mike G.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but one thing that strikes me as odd is a lot of people who are down on Chris Palmer because of his failed stint in Houston also wanted to bring in Dom Capers to be the DC here. You don't want to bring in someone who merely contributed to the failure in Houston, but you want the mastermind behind the failure?

Didn't want to use the hammer...

 

[AbeBeta]

Was Palmer the Offensive Coordinator for the New England Patriots at one time? He served as the Wide Receiver Coach from 1993-1995 and the Quarterbacks Coach in 1996.

I dont think he was calling plays when he was the QB Coach?

- Mike G.

What was he doing between 97 and 99?

 

[TLW47]

I think what's inherently obvious is that both Palmer and Capers are very capable coordinators and not head coaches.

We had the same thing here in Coach Campo.

I'm all for giving Coach Palmer a chance. Bill needs to give him some rope. Let the guy succeed on his own terms.

In other words Bill LAY OFF.

 

[InmanRoshi]

What was he doing between 97 and 99?

Offensive coordinator for the Jaguars. Offense was #3, #8 and #6 in the NFL in offensive points scored. Hung 62 up on "The Genius" in a playoff game. That's how he became a hot commodity and got the expansion Browns HC job.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Offensive coordinator for the Jaguars. Offense was #3, #8 and #6 in the NFL in offensive points scored. That's how he got the Browns job.

:signmast:

 

[AbeBeta]

Offensive coordinator for the Jaguars. Offense was #3, #8 and #6 in the NFL in offensive points scored. That's how he became a hot commodity and got the expansion Browns HC job.

that's right -- so why didn't BP take him to the Jets with him?

 

[Woods]

Very nice find Mick.

I'm of the opinion that he's probably not the best guy we could have brought in but he's not the worst either. He obviously had success when he had talent to work with. The key to his success IMO is going to be the offensive line play. Until we get that fixed nothing is going to work.

I think this is the bottom line.

What offensive scheme works with poor OL play? Could some coach have significantly improved the play of our OL in 2005 (assuming the same talent)?

Perhaps a bit. However, Al Johnson is what he is . . . . he's going to get overpowered vs. big DTs. Pettiti was doing o.k. with some help early in the season, but after Flo went down, we couldn't protect both Tucker and Petitti (and then Petitti got a high ankle sprain). Rivera's pre-season injury was unfortunate. Not really sure the impact that had on his play.

It's difficult to separate and/or categorize the poor play of our OL due to coaching vs. injuries vs. (lack of) personnel and inexperience. It was probably a bit of everything.