Interesting Dak statistic (turnover-worthy play rate)

[Proof]

"Turnover worthy". Now that's a new term I've never heard of before.

it's pretty prominent and mentioned here constantly, and over the years.

 

[Proof]

At the end of the day watch the games. You can tell Dak is struggling. You can tell why he’s struggling. Why he’s struggling depends on your agenda. If you are upset at his salary you will have an agenda against that. If you’re a fan of him you will see how bad scheme is. Regardless of your agenda the Cowboys aren’t good and it’s but just because of bowl or he’s playing.

i'm a dak 'fan'. no agenda. he stinks this year. if it weren't a trend, i'd have no problem digging deeper. i'm tired of needing to do that.

 

[blueblood70]

I mean its certainly not perfect as there is some subjectivity to it, but its still probably a better stat for individual performance than actual turnovers. I mean how often does an INT happen because of a tipped ball, receiver slipped, etc. when a QB delivers a good pass?

I have no issue saying that Dak is a good QB. I have no issue saying that Dak needs more help. It's also fair to say that Dak needs improve his game as well. The advanced metrics make up pretty good arguments for both sides of the Dak debate, which means the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Nope another dumb ANALytic. sorry it's my opinion grasping at straws to rip dak with this pathetic group of players and coaches..ugh!!

 

[thunderpimp91]

i'm a dak 'fan'. no agenda. he stinks this year. if it weren't a trend, i'd have no problem digging deeper. i'm tired of needing to do that.

I wish more people could be that honest about the situation on both sides. People can be anti Dak, but acknowledge when he plays well. People can be pro Dak and acknowledge that he needs to be better at times.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Nope another dumb ANALytic. sorry it's my opinion grasping at straws to rip dak with this pathetic group of players and coaches..ugh!!

So being critical of Dak using actual data = "Hater status"

Being critical of a "pathetic group of players and coaches" because of your opinion = being a good fan

Got it....

 

[Havic]

At the end of the day watch the games. You can tell Dak is struggling. You can tell why he’s struggling. Why he’s struggling depends on your agenda. If you are upset at his salary you will have an agenda against that. If you’re a fan of him you will see how bad scheme is. Regardless of your agenda the Cowboys aren’t good and it’s but just because of bowl or he’s playing.

Or the answer can simply be all of the above.

Coaching
Preparation
Play calling
No run game
Line struggles
Daks limitations

 

[Proof]

I wish more people could be that honest about the situation on both sides. People can be anti Dak, but acknowledge when he plays well. People can be pro Dak and acknowledge that he needs to be better at times.

you'd think it were that simple, right?

 

[CWR]

Dallas Cowboys

Dak Prescott leads all quarterbacks in turnover-worthy play rate (min. 100 attempts)

Per PFF, Prescott has committed a turnover-worthy play on 4.9 percent of his dropbacks. His career rate is three percent. Using an attempts threshold of 50 dropbacks Prescott to fourth in the rankings and somehow makes things look worse for him. The only players with more dangerous plays in that sample are Spencer Rattler, Will Levis, and Tyler Huntley.

https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/f...stats-for-week-8-brock-bowers-chasing-history

I dont know that makes Dak look worse or the offense as a whole.

I'd wager that number is higher because he's having to force the ball in more often. Our run game and separation are issues. Absolutely no one respects our ground game. They can drop back in to coverage consistently with minimal repercussions. Which is also probably a big part of why our wrs are struggling to separate.

We do need to attempt to run the ball more, but that becomes an issue quickly as well when the defense is bleeding points.

This team is currently broken in several different ways.

 

[Risen Star]

These stat geeks in the PFF era.

The problem is just what the heck is a turnover worthy play? Who gets to decide that? I bet we'd all come up with different numbers watching the same game.

 

[Kevinicus]

YOU MEAN HIS TEAM IS BACK TO 2022 STATUS?!!!!

Now do Mahomes. LMAO. Having 2 tackles not play well, No run game, down 14 points at blink over bad D, lack of separation by wrs or they re going rogue ie not running the Calle drifted and go off scripts, ask Aikman. Add in MM playcalls


THAT MAKES THIS ENTIRE THREAD CRINGEWROTHY.

HATER STAUS NOTED..REDC!!!!!!!

They did do Mahomes. He's in the league.

You appear to be looking at numbers. They're looking at the actual plays.
For instance, if Mahomes throws a perfect pass and it hits the WR right in the hands, but he tips it up for an easy pick...not a turnover worthy play.
On the other hand, if Dak, or any QB throws a ball that hits the defender square in the hands for what should be an easy pick, but then he drops it...turnover worthy play.

Now, Mahomes had 2 INTs on Sunday. I'm not sure how either would be graded. One was a tipped ball at the line. The other the WR fell down. Their grading on those isn't clear.

 

[thunderpimp91]

They did do Mahomes. He's in the league.

You appear to be looking at numbers. They're looking at the actual plays.
For instance, if Mahomes throws a perfect pass and it hits the WR right in the hands, but he tips it up for an easy pick...not a turnover worthy play.
On the other hand, if Dak, or any QB throws a ball that hits the defender square in the hands for what should be an easy pick, but then he drops it...turnover worthy play.

Now, Mahomes had 2 INTs on Sunday. I'm not sure how either would be graded. One was a tipped ball at the line. The other the WR fell down. Their grading on those isn't clear.

Good post. This is really why it's important to use both the subjective metrics like turnover worthy play and the actual counting stats to get the full story.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

"Turnover worthy". Now that's a new term I've never heard of before.

Right? And what about the "wr separation" stat. As if Aikman and Irvin cared about something that dumb.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Good post. This is really why it's important to use both the subjective metrics like turnover worthy play and the actual counting stats to get the full story.

Eyes too.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

i'm a dak 'fan'. no agenda. he stinks this year. if it weren't a trend, i'd have no problem digging deeper. i'm tired of needing to do that.

He didn’t stink last year. He stinks this year. It’s easy to see why.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Or the answer can simply be all of the above.

Coaching
Preparation
Play calling
No run game
Line struggles
Daks limitations

Like I said trust your eyes lol. They don’t lie.

 

[Proof]

He didn’t stink last year. He stinks this year. It’s easy to see why.

yeah. i said this year. we had similar issues last year. line was sporadic, tyron was in and out, steele regressed, pollard wasn't very effective. the stark difference between last year and this year is just a lot. not blaming it all on him, not all on them. but HE specifically has looked bad when I've paid attention to him. Micah looks much worse than last year too, I'm not looking for why's or other contributing factors.

 

[TheSport78]

Leadership, bruh. It equals out.

 

[noshame]

This is a stat you have to look at at the end of the season. Like most.
We have come through a fairly easy stretch and are about to head into a difficult run, so we'll see where this goes

 

[NotaCowboysFan]

THE Dumbest analytic every tried!!!!!

turnover-worthy play rate=dumb​

he's has more INTS than Tds or even right hes lighting it up!!! 6-8; has better offense ie run game OL and play caller. Now he gets Hopkins.

If Mahomes drives his his team down field to the 1 yard line and they run the ball in for a TD on the next play does that really make him worse than if the WR fought for an extra yard or ran the route a yard deeper? It’s a tiny bit difference in scoring efficiency but overall the QB still played well. If your qb goes for 245 yards 1td and 1 int, from a passer rating it doesn’t look like a great day but the team scored 27 points and it’s possible the qb played really well. Two short runs for tds, a pass for td and two field goals,5 scoring drives for 46 yards passing per drive is pretty good and another 15 yards passing on two short drives/3andout.

Dak meanwhile has had among the best turnover creating defenses in the league the past few years, giving him short fields, less full field drives needed to score meaning less asked of him per drive. He also is well known for stat padding in lost games more than most. You’re right the team around him isn’t playing as well but he’s not playing better, carrying harder, to compensate like you expect a great qb to do. The argument has always been from many people is if he’s a bus driver or not, as he’s had a good to great team around him his entire career.

Meanwhile the chiefs have had bunches of injuries, have played a tough ish schedule and are still finding ways to win. Also mahomes actually picks up extra first downs per game with his legs which often gets overlooked, something Dak seems to be incapable of doing at this point in his career. Sustaining drives and scoring points are the purpose of the offense, if you can run for a first down or td as a QB that’s JUST as valuable as doing it passing.

Ive also been noticing this a lot in more recent years, analytics are favoring newer metrics that show qbs that are able to get their team into position to score and score when needed over actually having the old school passer rating because it translates better to winning games.

TWP just says who’s making boneheaded plays that should be turnovers regardless of outcome

 

[Chasing6]

That would only be true if these stats were only calculated for Dak. They are calculated for every QB. It's just another stat, and in now way is it an attack on Dak to point it out, nor is it a conspiracy against Dak.

I only seen the stat on Dak. I did not see it on the rest of the NFL. So how do you know where he ranks in that stat???