Interesting talk on "Talkin' Cowboys" about Flozell Adams

[AbeBeta]

I haven't said anything other than that

Maybe you misread my post then.

You find market value by letting a guy shop himself.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe you misread my post then.

You find market value by letting a guy shop himself.

no, that's what I interpret you as saying, but whatever, it doesn't matter since we're on the same page here

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Keep in mind that when we talk about top 10 money -- it is top 10 on the OL, not just top 10 LTs. The top money makers at G and C are going to make more than many of the top LTs. So you could really only justify that money for a top 5 OT.

then the market value for the top 5 LTs goes up from what the top-5 OG and Cs are making

 

[Vintage]

Keep in mind that when we talk about top 10 money -- it is top 10 on the OL, not just top 10 LTs. The top money makers at G and C are going to make more than many of the top LTs. So you could really only justify that money for a top 5 OT.

OT money is going to go thru the roof if guards are getting 49/7. Tackles will be paid more.

So that contract IshmanRoshi or whatever proposed will look like a bargain in the near (as in next year) future.

 

[AbeBeta]

then the market value for the top 5 LTs goes up from what the top-5 OG and Cs are making

My point was the transition tag would put Flo in that salary range -- and that isn't consistent with where I see his value

 

[jobberone]

Tagging him makes the most sense if you think you can buy him for a year while one of your younger paid guys inherits the position the next year.

My only problem with tagging him is there are more than a few players in the same boat at different positions. Would it be better to tag Flo or Romo if things get sticky for us? Or Colombo? Or even JJ? What if JJ gets over 1500 yards this year and 12 or more TDs? Do you franchise him while drafting a top ten or so RB and hope your knew RB makes the grade?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Tagging him makes the most sense if you think you can buy him for a year while one of your younger paid guys inherits the position the next year.

My only problem with tagging him is there are more than a few players in the same boat at different positions. Would it be better to tag Flo or Romo if things get sticky for us? Or Colombo? Or even JJ? What if JJ gets over 1500 yards this year and 12 or more TDs? Do you franchise him while drafting a top ten or so RB and hope your knew RB makes the grade?

Well, keep in mind that you have both Transition and Franchise options. As for Romo, Colombo and JJ, they are all young. If they have great seasons, I have no issue with signing them long term. That, to me, is the way to do it.

 

[jobberone]

Well, keep in mind that you have both Transition and Franchise options. As for Romo, Colombo and JJ, they are all young. If they have great seasons, I have no issue with signing them long term. That, to me, is the way to do it.

Thanks. I had forgotten about both and was confused thinking we could only do one.

But you're right. It's much better if they all have great years and we sign them all mid-season. Keep them happy, stay in good cap shape and have no decisions except who is immediate backup and who to keep long term.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

interesting stuff. i will certainly be looking at our 2nd string Oline as well as our starting tackles with great interest this preseason.

 

[5mics]

I've always thought that Flo might stick after this year contrary to popular opinion. Any extension he might get, would be around 4 years to spread out his signing bonus.

And truthfully, if neither of the current candidates are ready to take over by the end of the season (which I doubt), and if no deal is worked out, I could see them slapping the franchise tag on him.

Yup! Keep our vet OLT and give the youngins' another year to develop. I like that plan the best.....

 

[Rockytop6]

Ok what if Flozell has a deserving Pro Bowl year? I know most of us are assuming we won't re-sign Flozell because of Free and Marten being drafted. Mickey on Talkin' Cowboys was saying how hard it is to find left tackles in this league and how offensive linemen hit their prime in their early to mid-30's. Assuming Flozell has a great year and looks fully recovered from the ACL injury, what kind of contract would you give Flo? I'de give him a 3 year deal, 20 million dollar deal with a 15 million dollar signing bonus. What about you guys?

Why not just give him the entire 20 m as a signing bonus and then he could play without pay for 3 years? Why would you give him 15 M signing bonus? He would have nothing to work for then. That is why you give a contract that escalates each year so there is always the carrot dangling for him.

 

[dallasfan]

i don't think Kosier is a Cowboy in 2008 which would allow a McQuistan or maybe even a Proctor or Marten to move into guard so there isn't so much cap invested into the OL. And what if Colombo has another good year? Signing him would be a priority as well!

I don't see why everyone is so quick to replace Kosier. He wasn't a bad player, and you can't have pro-bowl players at every position. But if Flozzell has a pro-bowl deserving season, I'd expect he'd get a better deal than 3 years 20 million (Money is generous, it's the years he wouldn't agree to), I'd probably slap him with the transition Tag, that way he'd be free to negotiate, and we can match any offer

 

[arglebargle]

Thought that Franchise/Transition tag was an either/or....

I am not sure about re-signing him though. He's been mostly above average to good, but has never showed the grit to go to the top of the field. Maybe snag him for one year with a tag. While older lineman have the rep of playing well, they also get injured more (see Rivera). A lot will depend on how the rest of the linemen develop, of course.

 

[TheSport78]

can someone explain how the Transition Tag works? This could be a great plan for Flozell but I'm assuming he wouldn't be thrilled to be slapped with the tag..oh btw Flozell isn't the most motivated person in the world lol...hopefully this ACL injury has taught him a few lessons about work ethic and determination

 

[dallasfan]

can someone explain how the Transition Tag works? This could be a great plan for Flozell but I'm assuming he wouldn't be thrilled to be slapped with the tag..oh btw Flozell isn't the most motivated person in the world lol...hopefully this ACL injury has taught him a few lessons about work ethic and determination

I doubt he gets upset for being Transition tagged. It garuntees him a top 10 salary at his position and he's completely free to negotiate with other teams, because there is no compensation, but we do have right to match any contract.

 

[big dog cowboy]

In those conditions, sign Flo to a 3 or 4 year deal and wait for one of the young guys to take over in a year or two. Then trade Flo before he contract is up.

 

[cowboyz]

the transition tag no longer works because of minnesota. just add in some language and it can no longer be matched.

this is why the cowboys should draft an LT with the browns #1 not mcfadden

 

[AbeBeta]

In those conditions, sign Flo to a 3 or 4 year deal and wait for one of the young guys to take over in a year or two. Then trade Flo before he contract is up.

I don't see trying to trade a 35 year old with a big contract as a viable option.

 

[AbeBeta]

the transition tag no longer works because of minnesota. just add in some language and it can no longer be matched.

this is why the cowboys should draft an LT with the browns #1 not mcfadden

Actually, last year there wasn't any use of poison pill provisions in contracts. I don't think teams want to screw with Goodell at this point.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Jerry's continual comments this offseason about how he can't keep throwing money into the OL, along with the drafting of two offensive tackles rather high in the draft, along with comments that part of the Leonard Davis signing was to provide a contingency plan at LT .... to me, all signs point towards the Cowboys not really putting any real effort or money into retaining Flo, and I think they've already earmarked that money to allocate elsewhere.