Interesting thoughts from NFL network, could we be interested in another WR

[starfrombirth]

Can you give me the lottery numbers?

I respect you way to much to get into any pi$$-ing match Hos but sometimes you can watch someone and just know. Remember Randal Williams? How about Antonio Bryant? Hutchinson? They all left relatively early in their careers but people just knew (besides those that put blinders on and had mad man love for these players). I know that you like mike williams and I have a certain amount of respect for him also but he is NOT nfl caliber and you know it even if you don't admit it.

 

[Hostile]

I've got the fix for ya.....sip on the recipe and you'll be fine in the morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGyrgqOKZLg&mode=related&search=

I enjoyed that Jack. Some nice footage in there.

 

[Hostile]

I respect you way to much to get into any pi$$-ing match Hos but sometimes you can watch someone and just know. Remember Randal Williams? How about Antonio Bryant? Hutchinson? They all left relatively early in their careers but people just knew (besides those that put blinders on and had mad man love for these players). I know that you like mike williams and I have a certain amount of respect for him also but he is NOT nfl caliber and you know it even if you don't admit it.

It's not a pissing match from my POV.

I don't call any player a bust after 1 year. On that I am pretty consistent.

There are players I like and players I dislike. Notice, I am NOT defending Mike Williams. I have twice said he did not live up to my expectations. That isn't a defense of him. It seems to be something you guys can't see. Should I put it in bold?

I'd still take a chance on him. Look at how hard TO has Hurd working. Maybe he could do the same with this kid who has infinitely more talent. You guys don't have to agree. When you don't and post something outrageous (i.e. "do we need another TE?"), don't expect me (of all people) to remain silent. I just don't do that.

 

[FLcowboy]

Aw hell, that doesn't mean much considering you were all over him in the draft.

I think folks need a check that we are going special teams and nuthin' else.

Maybe you are right, but I think Crayton is one big hit away from being out for an extended period. Unless Hurd is the real deal, or Rector can step up this year, the Cowboys are lacking a #3 receiver, and that's assuming T.O. and Glenn can play 16 plus games this year. If either one or both of them go out, the defense has to throw a no-hitter, and we all know how hard that will be .

 

[peplaw06]

I respect you way to much to get into any pi$$-ing match Hos but sometimes you can watch someone and just know. Remember Randal Williams? How about Antonio Bryant? Hutchinson? They all left relatively early in their careers but people just knew (besides those that put blinders on and had mad man love for these players). I know that you like mike williams and I have a certain amount of respect for him also but he is NOT nfl caliber and you know it even if you don't admit it.

I just don't get the fascination or appeal of being the first person to call a player a BUST. All those guys you listed, Bryant, Hutchinson, Williams got more than enough opportunity to prove their worth in the NFL... is it too much to ask you give Mike Williams the same opportunity?? In fact, I would be much more willing to give Mike Williams MORE time because he had more potential and was a higher draft pick (more valuable).

The only thing you show by labeling a guy a bust after one year is that you're rash and impatient... or that you want the guy to fail. I'll admit I've been guilty of it, especially when Commanders or Eagles are involved, but I don't make it a habit. How many of you guys were ready to label Bradie James a bust after one year, or even two?? I wasn't a member here yet, but I'm sure there were plenty of you... rethinking that position now.

Mike Williams has been disappointing yes, but he has more than enough time to wake up and turn it around. You

premature evaluators:laugh2:

may end up being right, but you also increase the chances of us remembering you if you're wrong.

 

[Hostile]

Mike Williams has been disappointing yes, but he has more than enough time to wake up and turn it around. You may end up being right, but you also increase the chances of us remembering you if you're wrong.

That's a risk you take when you take any stand on a subject. I'm well aware Mike Williams could be a colossal flop and that since I was so adamant he wouldn't be I'm on the hook. So what? Can any of us say that we're always right about players and how they will turn out? I won't ever make that claim.

People will remember it? Okay, so they remember it. Will they bash me over the head for it? Possibly. Again, so what? It doesn't change anything. Who looks worse, me for liking the guy or the Lions for selecting the guy? Neither really. The guy who turns into the flop looks bad. It really has very little reflection upon me because I don't control his thoughts or actions.

If I'm right I guarantee you I will say a whole lot less than others will if I am wrong. Want proof? I was pro-Terrell Suggs more than anyone in Cowboys nation. I rarely mention his name at all despite the fact he's pretty much done what I said he could. The point? I don't dwell on predictions whether they are right or wrong unless someone tries to jam them in my face.

The bottom line here is that I said I'd still take him and I would. Would the Cowboys? I don't know and neither does anyone else. He wouldn't be a TE. I'll tell you that much. So when I ask for proof he'd be a TE what happened? Exactly...

...the silence is deafening. Typical.

 

[dbair1967]

. You want to chide me for ever liking the guy, fine. Have at it. But at least be honest about it. Is that too much to ask? If so, then I retract my request and instead ask you to bear the burden of proof.

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Hos, I never "chided" you for liking the guy...in fact I too admitted I liked him at USC and liked him in the drat last yr

but the fact is the guy flat out stinks...he's the #10 pick overall from a yr ago and he's buried on the depth chart behind no talent scrubs like Mike Furrey , Glen Martinez and Corey Bradford...it has been discussed that he might be released (though I doubt he will be due to cap implications)...its also been brought up that his future might have to be at a TE/H-Back type position because he simply cant get open vs NFL CB's at WR...then there's the work ethic question, which two staff's have now commented on

finally, you keep mentioning his "stats" but unless you saw where he lined up for each of those receptions, how do you know whether he has been playing as solely a WR or has mixed in time elsewhere?

David

 

[Hostile]

Hos, I never "chided" you for liking the guy...in fact I too admitted I liked him at USC and liked him in the drat last yr

but the fact is the guy flat out stinks...he's the #10 pick overall from a yr ago and he's buried on the depth chart behind no talent scrubs like Mike Furrey , Glen Martinez and Corey Bradford...it has been discussed that he might be released (though I doubt he will be due to cap implications)...its also been brought up that his future might have to be at a TE/H-Back type position because he simply cant get open vs NFL CB's at WR...then there's the work ethic question, which two staff's have now commented on

finally, you keep mentioning his "stats" but unless you saw where he lined up for each of those receptions, how do you know whether he has been playing as solely a WR or has mixed in time elsewhere?

David

Link His # is 88. What position is he listed at?

How about where the Lions list him? Link

How about on their depth chart? Link I don't see him in their TE depth.

The fact remains at no time can you show me him lined up on the OTs shoulder. That means he has either lined up at X, Y, or Z and that makes him a WR.

Yes, for the 3rd time, he has not lived up to his draft position. Yes, for the 3rd time he's had questions raised about his desire. I have now acknowledged this 3 times. Again, how many more? Once more. Twice? A dozen? More than that?

I still like the kid's potential and would take a chance on him if they released him. You don't have to agree. All I'm asking is come at me with real stuff. The TE stuff isn't real. Until someone actually uses him as a TE or H-back it's a null and void comment meant just to take a shot at me because I was on his bandwagon. I shoot back. The fact remains you CAN'T show me him playing TE.

Can you?

I didn't throw the half his time at TE stuff out there Dave. You did. All I'm asking is that you back it up or admit you were wrong and own up to it. I've owned to my wrong on him. 3 times. Even if it is premature.

 

[dbair1967]

you took a tongue in cheek remark "Do we need a TE" and then a 2nd tongue in cheek remark and got that I SAID he played TE half the time? Where did you see I said he played TE half the time?

I have no clue whether he has or hasnt played TE to date, but I do recall it was discussed late in the season last yr and in the offseason this yr, that his future might be as an H-Back or move TE because he simply cant seperate from NFL CB's at WR

you blew some stuff way out of proportion here Hos

David

 

[Hostile]

you took a tongue in cheek remark "Do we need a TE" and then a 2nd tongue in cheek remark and got that I SAID he played TE half the time?

You asked me that in post #25 of the thread. I responded this way in post #28.

You and Yeag love to torture me with that line, but can either of you show me one single down he has played at TE?

I didn't think so.

That looks like I'm upset to you? Where? I said you and Yeag love to chide me with that line. I acknowledged the joke aspect of it and asked a question. Am I not allowed to respond? I even answered it for you. "I didn't think so."

Where did you see I said he played TE half the time?

You responded to that post with this in post #30...

probably about the same amount of downs he's played at WR then, because he sux so much that he never sees the field

That doesn't translate to half the time? What math are you using where same doesn't mean equal?

I have no clue whether he has or hasnt played TE to date, but I do recall it was discussed late in the season last yr and in the offseason this yr, that his future might be as an H-Back or move TE because he simply cant seperate from NFL CB's at WR

No, it was discussed that 2 teams worked him out at the 2005 Draft Combines as a TE. The Detroit Lions drafted him as a WR. He's not on their TE depth chart. He is listed on every website as a WR. The only time he gets called a TE is when you or Yeag or someone else jokes with me about it.

you blew some stuff way out of proportion here Hos

David

No Dave, all I did was ask you to back up the TE statement. Nothing more. You can't. We both know it. Forgive me for pointing it out.