Investigators: Vick was at his house when dog fights took place *merged*

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Animal control officer confident Vick was at fights
ESPN.com news services

Updated: May 15, 2007, 7:36 PM ET
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Michael Vick has said that he was rarely at the Virginia house he owned where officials have found evidence of dog fighting and that he never took part in the practice. Investigators don't agree.

Kathy Strouse, the animal control coordinator for the City of Chesapeake in Virginia which is investigating the case at the Smithfield home, told Yahoo.com on Tuesday she has spoken with individuals who can "put Vick on that property" during matches.

Saying she is "very confident" that Vick will be tied directly to the dog fighting on the property, Strouse has challenged Surry County Commonwealth attorney Gerald Poindexter to bring charges.

"He [Poindexter] was at the home and saw the equipment that we seized," Strouse said. "When we were there, he said he had enough right there to issue an indictment. He didn't say who he would indict, but he said he had enough.

"Now, with what he has said, it makes you think, 'What in the world is going on in Surry County?' This certainly doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about the Surry County attorney."

Strouse indicated that the individuals who place the Falcons quarterback at the scene have been reluctant to testify. An investigator told WVEC-TV, the ABC affiliate in Norfolk, Va., that a meeting has been requested with Poindexter to review evidence.

"They have not requested a meeting with me. That is a lie," Poindexter then told the television station.

He has also declined to reveal the status of the investigation or whether charges are likely.

"I don't try cases in the press," Poindexter told the station. "Lawyers who do that are despicable."

Police conducting a drug investigation at the end of April raided the Vick-owned house and reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated. Investigators also discovered items associated with dog fighting, including veterinary supplies, blood-soaked carpeting, treadmills used for training and tools used to pry apart a dog's jaws.

When the story broke, Vick told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house. I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing."

Since that time, a Web site was discovered that showed Vick's name was being used to promote dog breeding that specialized in rare pit bull terriers and "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario."

Vick has reportedly entered a contract to sell the house, but reports regarding his involvement in the operation keep surfacing.

Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site on Thursday that two friends of Vick said the QB knew about the dog fighting operation at the home. WAVY-TV in Norfolk reported that clerks at a store near the property said Vick bought items such as syringes typically used in dog fighting.

The Humane Society has told the NFL that past and present players say that the league has a serious problem with animal abuse.

Vick has now been advised by his attorney to stop talking publicly about the case.

"It is still under investigation, and once it is over, we will talk about it. As of right now, I cannot talk about the situation," Vick said.

Surry County, meanwhile, is being taxed by the investigation. WVEC reported on Tuesday that boarding the animals confiscated from Vick's property is costing the county $25,000.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2871625

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Um Mikey, Mr. Goodell would like to see you in his office sometime in the very near future.

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by any chance could they be thinking of Marcus Vick seeing as how he doesn't have a job?
 

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Nothing will happen to Vick unless he is found guilty of something in a court of law.
 

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big dog cowboy;1499593 said:
Nothing will happen to Vick unless he is found guilty of something in a court of law.
Pacman disagrees with you.

Most likely, Vick will end up being charged and possibly convicted. Even if he isn't though, this whole ordeal has been a major black eye for the NFL and the new commish ain't gonna put up with it much longer (once again, see Pacman).
 

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If he's involved he needs to be disciplined. You can't have different rules for stars.
 

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He should be conducting cockfights, like any other self-respecting American.
 

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big dog cowboy;1499593 said:
Nothing will happen to Vick unless he is found guilty of something in a court of law.

I don't know about that Animal activist will be all over the Falcons owner and he is already showing signs of getting fed up with Vick.
 
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Mike Vick won't be charged with anything, unless they have physical evidence of him being there on tape or photos then it's all speculation. I mean the guy wants to bread dogs, so what. He can't control what his boneheaded cousin was doing. He admitted to buying the house and letting him live there...
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499811 said:
Mike Vick won't be charged with anything, unless they have physical evidence of him being there on tape or photos then it's all speculation. I mean the guy wants to bread dogs, so what. He can't control what his boneheaded cousin was doing. He admitted to buying the house and letting him live there...
I agree that he will not be convicted, but the evidence seems to indicate that Vick was more involved than just breeding the dogs and letting the cousins use the house. I do believe Goodell should and will force Vick to take an unpaid vacation over this.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499811 said:
Mike Vick won't be charged with anything, unless they have physical evidence of him being there on tape or photos then it's all speculation. I mean the guy wants to bread dogs, so what. He can't control what his boneheaded cousin was doing. He admitted to buying the house and letting him live there...
Nonsense. They don't need videotapes to make it more than speculation, just witnesses willing to testify, which they will likely get at some point. It's pretty hard to believe given the multiple indications otherwise that Vick wasn't involved with this.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499811 said:
Mike Vick won't be charged with anything, unless they have physical evidence of him being there on tape or photos then it's all speculation. I mean the guy wants to bread dogs, so what. He can't control what his boneheaded cousin was doing. He admitted to buying the house and letting him live there...


If theres evidence of Vick even knowing the dogs were there, hes guilty in my book. If they really removed training equipment and blood soaked carpets there is absolutely no way that Vick was unaware of the fighting. Not only that but if the dogs were there and scarred as the reports have indicated, its a pretty clear to see whats going on.

If he knew the dogs were there, he should be accountable. If you are going to be a "dog breeder" and not take the responsibility to make sure they are being taken care of when you are out then you are guilty of neglect and shouldn't be breeding animals in the 1st place.

Then again, what should happen and what will happen are usually two different things.
 
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fanfromvirginia;1499831 said:
Nonsense. They don't need videotapes to make it more than speculation, just witnesses willing to testify, which they will likely get at some point. It's pretty hard to believe given the multiple indications otherwise that Vick wasn't involved with this.

Well shall see, but I'm almost positive those witnesses won't be credible in a court of law. My uncle is a lawyer and is familiar with the case.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499835 said:
Well shall see, but I'm almost positive those witnesses won't be credible in a court of law. My uncle is a lawyer and is familiar with the case.

People are convicted every day based on eye-witness testimony. I don't see why this would be any different. If they couldn't convict based on witnesses, why even have em?
 
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AtlCB;1499821 said:
I agree that he will not be convicted, but the evidence seems to indicate that Vick was more involved than just breeding the dogs and letting the cousins use the house. I do believe Goodell should and will force Vick to take an unpaid vacation over this.

Goddell is an idiot, Pacman Jones shouldn't have received a year suspension when he's never been convicted.... Chris Henry was the one brandishing a firearm in public and was convicted yet only gets 8 games..
 
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Thehoofbite;1499837 said:
People are convicted every day based on eye-witness testimony. I don't see why this would be any different. If they couldn't convict based on witnesses, why even have em?

You're not understanding my point here, Vick's lawyers will discredit them by going into their personal lives..
 

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Hostile;1499603 said:
If he's involved he needs to be disciplined. You can't have different rules for stars.
I agree with this.

Right now there's a lot of speculation as to his level of knowledge and awareness of what was going on. I don't know how much he know. Alot of smoke out there, but until something is produced which shows him somehow actively involved or aware, it's kinda hard to subject him to any discipline.

And if people can't see the difference between this situation and Pacman, then I don't know what to tell you.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499841 said:
You're not understanding my point here, Vick's lawyers will discredit them by going into their personal lives..


That only works if the witnesses are shady people. And I doubt it would work if there is actual physical evidence to couple with their testimony. If the bloody carpets and training equipment are there, its pretty hard to just write someone off based on their past when actual items suggest that Vick should know.

And really, Im not even sure that is legal to do. I remember in the Kobe Bryant case, the defense tip-toed around doing that and Im pretty sure I remember people on CNN or MSNBC or whatever talking about how that shouldn't taken into consideration. Then again, Im not a lawyer and don't know for sure so I could be and probably am wrong on this.

However, I just don't see how the defense will be able to come out and smear enough mud to discredit multiple witnesses like there are reported to be. Im sure they will try but I think there will to much other stuff to suggest Vicks involvement. I don't think the outcome is going to be totally dependent on eye-witnesses.
 

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ThreeSportStar80;1499841 said:
You're not understanding my point here, Vick's lawyers will discredit them by going into their personal lives..
This can cut both ways -- Vick is associated with a lot of seedy people. I can see it now: Your honor, this witness has no credibility. He's a known dog fighter!
 
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