Invisible Sam Williams

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It sure seems that one of the biggest factors that determines if a player is going to be successful in the league is their emotional makeup and work ethic. Why GMs continue to waste premium picks on known headcases is beyond me.

That's not so simple. Philly took a questionable character guy this draft and he's playing very well. We passed on a character concern in Moss and Jerry never stopped regretting it.

I agree with you in theory but there has to be a point talent outweighs risk.
 

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That's not so simple. Philly took a questionable character guy this draft and he's playing very well. We passed on a character concern in Moss and Jerry never stopped regretting it.

I agree with you in theory but there has to be a point talent outweighs risk.
He was disciplined enough as a man to become a very talented player. He needs to now grow up in the NFL. That can't be faked now...
 

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That's not so simple. Philly took a questionable character guy this draft and he's playing very well. We passed on a character concern in Moss and Jerry never stopped regretting it.

I agree with you in theory but there has to be a point talent outweighs risk.
Oh yeah, I agree. There’s been plenty of headcases that have been great NFL players. It just seems like teams get burned by the questionable character guys more often than not. I would have to see the numbers on it, but it’s nearly impossible to quantify a prospect’s character.
 
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Williams was great last year. I was really excited to see what he would do this year. So far, it seems he’s regressed. Maybe he needs to leave the weed alone. I’m getting Randy Gregory vibes. Good player, but immature to everyone’s detriment.
 

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When we drafted this guy, I thought we really had a true player on our hands. We heard about the off the field issues, and took a chance. No big deal. Kid is an athlete with talent, they said. A year and a half later to 2023 and pretty much nothing from Sam. Everyone is griping about Mazi Smith. But I've watched the tape, and he's doing what we need him to do: helping to stop the run. Mazi Smith never was going to be flashy...

Sam Williams was supposed to be mini-Micah..A versatile 3-4ish LB who fit DQ's scheme..

4.4 40 yard dash for a guy over 250.

The only problem?

He's been invisible, cept for the preseason fight where he took a cheap shot and punched his teammate in the back of the head. Or that time in preseason when the camera panned to him and he hammed it up, pretending to body slammed an invisible opponent.

Anyone else think Invisible Sam might be trade bait right now?

Not that he's done anything anyone would want to trade for... But I know one thing. He's not contributing to the team, and looks to be sort of a wasted roster spot in 2023.
Who is this Sam Williams you speak of?
 

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Williams is a stoner. It doesn't look good for him. Hopefully, they get lucky and he makes some more plays for them before he goes away like the stoners before him.
Smoking weed literally has no impact on how players play. I agree with a lot of your takes, but this one is obsolete.

Do you realize how hard the 1990s Cowboys partied? And more than just ganja.
 

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Do any of you even pay attention to anything that goes on except for your narratives and you just really need to post and complain???

Sam Williams first of all had a severe case of turf toe to start the season ,he tried to play through it ,and it wasn’t working then he got that arrest with the speeding and I believe he got in the doghouse and he’s having a problem getting on the field now because the coaches & his physical availability, that’s why...

I believe he will get past it, the guy reminds me of a tank.... he’s DeMarcus Lawrence possible replacement, he plays like him he’s more of a complete player than Micah Parsons in my opinion can play the run the pass he’s got a good motor he can get sacks but yes there was a problem start the season just like with Steele, Michael Gallup, and we got Jordan Lewis not playimg well... I mean these guys all trying to come back from injury just don’t look the same.

I realize it was not made a big deal publicly, look it up...

It is not an easy thing to play on ,especially for a guy that needs to get off on the line and cut and make moves.
Do you ever tire of the constant excuses? I can see who's playing, who has a good attitude and who isn't contributing...

I remember when Deion had turf toe, too.. He sucked it up, and played.
I want to see Sam succeed. I'm just skeptical he ever will.
 
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Smoking weed literally has no impact on how players play. I agree with a lot of your takes, but this one is obsolete.

Do you realize how hard the 1990s Cowboys partied? And more than just ganja.
I know all about weed..
 

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Oh yeah, I agree. There’s been plenty of headcases that have been great NFL players. It just seems like teams get burned by the questionable character guys more often than not. I would have to see the numbers on it, but it’s nearly impossible to quantify a prospect’s character.
There are quite a few management indicators and a staff of evaluators that are not at all naive or with out long observation experiences. This isn't the territory of a Joe Don Looney.
 

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I know all about weed..
Smoking isn't a valid issue for justification. Does the NFL punish useage? End of credability there. There probably is more to it than use of liquor and hard drugs as well...an enforceable rule. Think a team wishes to invest millions in a player who put PacMan to shame?
 

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When we drafted this guy, I thought we really had a true player on our hands. We heard about the off the field issues, and took a chance. No big deal. Kid is an athlete with talent, they said. A year and a half later to 2023 and pretty much nothing from Sam. Everyone is griping about Mazi Smith. But I've watched the tape, and he's doing what we need him to do: helping to stop the run. Mazi Smith never was going to be flashy...

Sam Williams was supposed to be mini-Micah..A versatile 3-4ish LB who fit DQ's scheme..

4.4 40 yard dash for a guy over 250.

The only problem?

He's been invisible, cept for the preseason fight where he took a cheap shot and punched his teammate in the back of the head. Or that time in preseason when the camera panned to him and he hammed it up, pretending to body slammed an invisible opponent.

Anyone else think Invisible Sam might be trade bait right now?

Not that he's done anything anyone would want to trade for... But I know one thing. He's not contributing to the team, and looks to be sort of a wasted roster spot in 2023.
 

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I know all about weed..
I doesn't seem like it. It seems more like you're equating Gregory's bipolar issues to the average person who smokes weed. I guarantee many players smoke weed and you don't even know who they are.

It's about time and place, though. There are other things that factor in. With players like David Irving, those guys had underlying issues.. which they choose to self-treat with, because the side effects are less.. Not to get into this too much on here. But there's a difference. And the league, and media, needs to stop parroting this false propaganda.
 

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He was disciplined enough as a man to become a very talented player. He needs to now grow up in the NFL. That can't be faked now...
For the record, I still have hope in Williams. I just want to see it soon. I'm not writing the guy off. But they need to get him back on track.

The physical tools are all there. He just needs confidence, and to use the head on his shoulders.
 

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Do you ever tire of the constant excuses? I can see who's playing, who has a good attitude and who isn't contributing...

I remember when Deion had turf toe, too.. He sucked it up, and played.
I want to see Sam succeed. I'm just skeptical he ever will.
Prime time was never himself after that injury to his toe missing games missing snaps getting beat getting burned so yeah it's not an excuse it's an absolute reason man has a bad turf toe and again I said he's in the doghouse Sam Williams can't control what the coaches do to him they're not giving him the snaps he can't get the stats
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That is my rhyme for Friday now go away because I said what I said because there is a reason and there's no reason to whine like little girls and little toddlers all day and do nothing but be negative... So yeah good reason to be slow out of the gate for Sam Williams absolute real reasons not excuses real reasons it's the same reason Michael gallups having problems coming back from the ACL it looks like Terrence Steele is not his self yet from his injury people get injuries it slows them down sometimes they're never themselves/...
 

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When we drafted this guy, I thought we really had a true player on our hands. We heard about the off the field issues, and took a chance. No big deal. Kid is an athlete with talent, they said. A year and a half later to 2023 and pretty much nothing from Sam. Everyone is griping about Mazi Smith. But I've watched the tape, and he's doing what we need him to do: helping to stop the run. Mazi Smith never was going to be flashy...

Sam Williams was supposed to be mini-Micah..A versatile 3-4ish LB who fit DQ's scheme..

4.4 40 yard dash for a guy over 250.

The only problem?

He's been invisible, cept for the preseason fight where he took a cheap shot and punched his teammate in the back of the head. Or that time in preseason when the camera panned to him and he hammed it up, pretending to body slammed an invisible opponent.

Anyone else think Invisible Sam might be trade bait right now?

Not that he's done anything anyone would want to trade for... But I know one thing. He's not contributing to the team, and looks to be sort of a wasted roster spot in 2023.
Has he had the snaps?
 

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That's not so simple. Philly took a questionable character guy this draft and he's playing very well. We passed on a character concern in Moss and Jerry never stopped regretting it.

I agree with you in theory but there has to be a point talent outweighs risk.
Carter had/has no work ethic/emotional issues. Only blight I know of is street racing, something many many of us have done when we were young and stupid.
 

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Smoking weed literally has no impact on how players play. I agree with a lot of your takes, but this one is obsolete.

Do you realize how hard the 1990s Cowboys partied? And more than just ganja.
Putting a carcinogenic in your lungs has no impact on a player's physical play? C'mooooon.

Going to a regular job after smoking weed and playing NFL football might be a bit different.
 

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We were so high on this guy so i'm really perplexed as to his demeanor and commitment moving forward. I thought we have consolers for this. Pretty obvious he has fallen out of favor with the staff and Joneses..
 
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