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[jobberone]

Oh boi! Another "Your opinion or perhaps even first hand knowledge is invalid because you aren't a NFL employee" take. How original. Was going to vote tomorrow, but now that I am aware that I have no moral right to make a judgement call, I can sleep in another 10 minutes.

You have no idea who what or how involved with I am with UT football. So your diatribe to cast aspersion on my opinion is telling. Any Saban "coaching tree" list has Dooley ranked at the bottom. Google supports this. So does Al Wilson and many others who played there and still live there



This has nothing to do with perceived disappointment. This is a compartmentalized opinion on Dooley and Wilson.

But I am glad to know you are an ardent supporter of Lane Kiffen's football prowess



A "wad of you people" should quit making throw away assumptions about a "failure of a program" that you know nothing about and come to the defense of anyone's record who is in the organization. Or maybe you can scrounge up some perspective other than "Nick Saban likes him"

You 'know' UT football so that extends to knowledge of all football including the personnel on the team? You can make your judgments all day long. You're entitled to them including the right to express them here. Just don't try to sell me the idea that a casual fan knows as much as a NFL football coach.

You WATCH football. You don't coach it. You're not qualified to run down ANY coach on any team and neither are 99.99% of NFL fans because they never played or coached at that level; and most haven't gotten beyond HS ball and aren't even a coach of that. But you keep believing and telling yourself otherwise. Just don't expect not to get called on it occasionally.

This lunacy compares to walking into an operating room and telling an experienced surgeon to get out of the way; I've watched doctors operate on TV all my life and you have no idea what you're doing.

This kind of arrogance occasionally gets to me. But I might as well try to stare down death and tell him what a lousy job he does. I'm raging against the wind; all to no avail. I apologize to the sensible posters on the site and to any of the staff I may have embarrassed.

 

[visionary]

You 'know' UT football so that extends to knowledge of all football including the personnel on the team? You can make your judgments all day long. You're entitled to them including the right to express them here. Just don't try to sell me the idea that a casual fan knows as much as a NFL football coach.

You WATCH football. You don't coach it. You're not qualified to run down ANY coach on any team and neither are 99.99% of NFL fans because they never played or coached at that level; and most haven't gotten beyond HS ball and aren't even a coach of that. But you keep believing and telling yourself otherwise. Just don't expect not to get called on it occasionally.

This lunacy compares to walking into an operating room and telling an experienced surgeon to get out of the way; I've watched doctors operate on TV all my life and you have no idea what you're doing.

This kind of arrogance occasionally gets to me. But I might as well try to stare down death and tell him what a lousy job he does. I'm raging against the wind; all to no avail. I apologize to the sensible posters on the site and to any of the staff I may have embarrassed.

Don't you give your opinion about these same issues ?
Perhaps you coached at the NFL level and I missed it. Perhaps you can remind us?

 

[jobberone]

Don't you give your opinion about these same issues ?
Perhaps you coached at the NFL level and I missed it. Perhaps you can remind us?

Giving opinions are one thing. Running down on a personal basis a coach you don't know personally on a forum is different. It's anonymous catcalls signifying nothing. Much as this unwelcome response from someone not involved in the conversation. You must think this conversation applies to you....ney?

My last response. I merely wished to give some perspective to the overwhelming deafening roar of the hate crowd as they do their thing. Go back to your business.

 

[VACowboy]

He also said that we don't have a "system that beats a system" type of offense like Bruce Arians and Chip Kelly has but more of "man beating man" type of offense.

It has irked me for years that Garrett's offense does nothing to help the players.

 

[jobberone]

It has irked me for years that Garrett's offense does nothing to help the players.

He consistently has top offenses but then he has Romo and Witten. You still have to call the right plays. But I get the frustration.

 

[VACowboy]

He consistently has top offenses but then he has Romo and Witten. You still have to call the right plays. But I get the frustration.

Imagine how much better this offense could be.

 

[VACowboy]

I mean, how about formations and routes that help receivers get open or a little misdirection in the running game beyond the occasional counter?

 

[jobberone]

I mean, how about formations and routes that help receivers get open or a little misdirection in the running game beyond the occasional counter?

I agree with you at times they aren't helping things including the receivers. There is a lot of room for improvement and what you mentioned are part and parcel of it. I don't know why they do or don't do some of the things we see. Some of it is part of us not knowing the entire story. Part of it is they aren't reacting or being proactive enough to the entire story; IMO and it appears yours.

This kind of stuff is why I've stayed on the fence about Garrett since the end of 2007. I lean one way or the other but I've never gotten off the fence with him. I give him credit for really closing the talent gap with the rest of the league and passing it in areas. It's esp good to see given the difficult circumstances with the cap yada. OTOH, there are times when it seems he and/or his staff don't see the big picture.

It's easy for us to say when we are not there in the middle of it all. Let's see if we get some players back and healthy not just back. And let's see if they can look at what is going wrong and fix it. We're still 6-3 and should make the playoffs. That was totally unexpected by many and most guffawed at the fact we would have a competitive defense and a good offense.

 

[jobberone]

Imagine how much better this offense could be.

I agree. We should be almost unstoppable. But good teams manage to lose every week. It's hard to win in this league. It always has been and now it is harder.

 

[jobberone]

I still don't understand why The Playmaker isn't on our staff.

I always wondered that, too. I think his emotions would create problems for him working with the rest of the staff. I think this is what got Ryan fired. Jason is more Landry like and it's a guess but I think he wants a different mindset on the staff. I'm just guessing.

 

[VACowboy]

I agree with you at times they aren't helping things including the receivers. There is a lot of room for improvement and what you mentioned are part and parcel of it. I don't know why they do or don't do some of the things we see. Some of it is part of us not knowing the entire story. Part of it is they aren't reacting or being proactive enough to the entire story; IMO and it appears yours.

This kind of stuff is why I've stayed on the fence about Garrett since the end of 2007. I lean one way or the other but I've never gotten off the fence with him. I give him credit for really closing the talent gap with the rest of the league and passing it in areas. It's esp good to see given the difficult circumstances with the cap yada. OTOH, there are times when it seems he and/or his staff don't see the big picture.

It's easy for us to say when we are not there in the middle of it all. Let's see if we get some players back and healthy not just back. And let's see if they can look at what is going wrong and fix it. We're still 6-3 and should make the playoffs. That was totally unexpected by many and most guffawed at the fact we would have a competitive defense and a good offense.

That's me exactly. I tend not to be too vocally critical of coaches, but this one thing has really kept me from really buying into Garrett. At least this year the RBs are seeing some holes to run through, though, I think Murray's ability gets undervalued a bit. He makes yards whether there's a hole or not.

 

[VACowboy]

I agree. We should be almost unstoppable. But good teams manage to lose every week. It's hard to win in this league. It always has been and now it is harder.

Can you say C-O-L-T-S?

 

[jobberone]

Can you say C-O-L-T-S?

Yep. And Broncos as well. Normally one team wins and another loses. Cards are a good team. I'd like to play them again with a healthy Romo et al.

 

[TheDude]

You 'know' UT football so that extends to knowledge of all football including the personnel on the team? You can make your judgments all day long. You're entitled to them including the right to express them here. Just don't try to sell me the idea that a casual fan knows as much as a NFL football coach.

You WATCH football. You don't coach it. You're not qualified to run down ANY coach on any team and neither are 99.99% of NFL fans because they never played or coached at that level; and most haven't gotten beyond HS ball and aren't even a coach of that. But you keep believing and telling yourself otherwise. Just don't expect not to get called on it occasionally.

So now we are moving toward the passive and arrogant debate dismissals with apostrophizing buzz words and the unilateral prophesying on what another person is qualified or not qualified to do. Really upper-level stuff here.

So, whether or not you recal past debates I have had on subjects, I tend to not make solid claims unless I have some pretty good reasons to do so. I could care less if you give me that nod or not. I will put the onus on me to support my position.

Derek Dooley was not the first choice for the HC of UT after Kiffen left. So maybe it wasn't an ideal situation for him. BUt he took the job and was paid handsomely for it. So the question was his performance during this time. I have met the man and know many first hand accounts, but I am just an internet liar so let me demonstrate at least the power of Google to help support my claims.

Recruiting prowess and basic respect
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/nov/25/area-teams-ignored-by-dooley-staff/

Unbiased national media
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo.../derek-dooleys-vol-tenure-ends-at-last-111012

Former players
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/tennessee-players-criticism-derek-dooley/

More benign article but an apropos line
http://blanknews.com/sports/435-the-custodian-derek-dooleys-potential-legacies
Unfortunately, it seemed that what Dooley learned most from Nick Saban was how to build a wall around the program, alienating the media and many former players. That wall only looks like a fortress if you have championship rings.

Works well with others
http://stage.outkickthecoverage.com/derek-dooley-loses-7th-coach-in-one-offseason.php
http://tennessee.247sports.com/Boar...not-the-pompous-***-Derek-Dooley-was-28676448

So there's a start. I will await your proof but I'll cede the point that NIck Saban may have said "Dooley is good guy/coach" once

This lunacy compares to walking into an operating room and telling an experienced surgeon to get out of the way; I've watched doctors operate on TV all my life and you have no idea what you're doing.

This is about the dumbest and insulting thing I have read and ingested here.

BUt I am glad to know you think even Lane Kiffen is top notch coach and cannot possibly be criticized becasue I havent coached the Raiders, UT or USC.

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This kind of arrogance occasionally gets to me. But I might as well try to stare down death and tell him what a lousy job he does. I'm raging against the wind; all to no avail. I apologize to the sensible posters on the site and to any of the staff I may have embarrassed.[/quote]

Another passive label to dismiss a point. It was more polite than "you people." But let's not waltz around here, you have one supporting argument - "Nick Saban" derp. I detest cronyism and it's rampant in Southern football. If Dooley was named Derek Smith, there is a better chance he never would have been on Saban's staff, not coached UT, and not be in Dallas now. Same with Lane Kiffen who is now on Saban's staff.

As put in an article -

"Nick Saban endorsed Derek Dooley as head coach!
Yeah, and I'm sure a bunch of Leonardo Da Vinci's assistants got pretty good jobs back in the day too.
How many of them have you heard of?
Genius doesn't pass by osmosis....."​

Waiting with baited breath for my next label....it is voting day, I may have time to make a button pin

 

[TheDude]

Giving opinions are one thing. Running down on a personal basis a coach you don't know personally on a forum is different. It's anonymous catcalls signifying nothing. Much as this unwelcome response from someone not involved in the conversation. You must think this conversation applies to you....ney?

My last response. I merely wished to give some perspective to the overwhelming deafening roar of the hate crowd as they do their thing. Go back to your business.

Hate crowd - getting closer to being pushed off the margin of normal society. But a good Hat Button

 

[Fletch]

jason garrett. how many years are we going to say these things about his offense.

It's Linehan's offense, isn't it?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Good interview by Mike.

 

[Chuck 54]

It wasn't long ago that we were all excited to see Dez and Romo finally hitting on the short slant that Irvin / Aikman ran to perfection for first downs and against pressure. Dez was finally running the route and being trusted by Romo to not screw it up and let the defender inside of him.

I haven't seen that route used in this system by Linehan.