Irvin pulled from Super Bowl coverage

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Not without an investigation.
HR won’t suspend someone prior to an investigation, but a paid leave of absence is not unheard of (and it seems that is what happened here).

According to all reports I read, Irvin was taken off Super Bowl coverage but not suspended. He still got paid which, legally, is all he is entitled to from his employer.
 

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Not without investigating first.
False! Happens to cops all the time. They are benched and out on leave while investigation pending. No one know what happened yet but by his removal the network was just removing the distraction. I personally would love if it came out he did nothing. I just get why they did it the way they did.
 

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What you're saying to anyone else doesn't concern me. They have their angles and I approach things they way I do. What they're saying shouldn't cross over into what I'm saying when you're addressing me so if you're saying they're trying to crucify Irvin, not sure why you'd even mention that when quoting my post unless you were bothered/disturbed by it. You're saying innocent until proven guilty. I'm saying no one knows what was said and that witness accounts also don't know what was said so they aren't as strong as people think because it's almost ALL about what was said. The hotel felt he should leave. Irvin works for a high profile organization with a high stake in PR. This is what PR-laded organizations do when controversy comes up and what all their employees sign up for. These are the rational circumstances at play.

All this "it's wrong" or "but, but, what about ..." is strictly emotional pile-on for people who want Irvin unscathed for fan or accuser blowback reasons and won't even consider that he might have uttered something bad, because he definitely could have. This woman also could be lying, targeted him, only felt mildly bothered and the hotel went overboard, or all of the above. All we have is Irvin's story and witnesses to pick apart. So I do that. Those threatened by that appear to have motive to need him to be innocent. He might be. And he might not be.

Never saw the Kamara incident so can't evaluate that and it's different than this to boot. But some fans need a roughing up for running their mouths thinking they're safe, lol.
You seem like a person who just loves to hear himself talk.

You responded to my comment. I re-iterated my comment.
Emphasizing my statement with the word crucify.
And you, lol, had the audacity to think I'm speaking only to you... smh
I never "addressed" you, buddy. I responded to your comment.
Look, you're hoping he's guilty so you can say "I knew it all along".
I'm just seeing a guy that fans, like you, are already jumping on.
It has zero to do with fandom.

And you finish it off with being okay with the behavior of Kamara.
How is it different? Here's how. Actual video. The NFL knew and did nothing.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I know this though. Some people get a kick out of
ruining other people's lives. The story is never fully revealed to all who've only
read the headline. Front page accusations always reach more than back page exonerations.
 

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HR won’t suspend someone prior to an investigation, but a paid leave of absence is not unheard of (and it seems that is what happened here).

According to all reports I read, Irvin was taken off Super Bowl coverage but not suspended. He still got paid which, legally, is all he is entitled to from his employer.
Cost him thousands of dollars for an accusation with no facts behind it.
 

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False! Happens to cops all the time. They are benched and out on leave while investigation pending. No one know what happened yet but by his removal the network was just removing the distraction. I personally would love if it came out he did nothing. I just get why they did it the way they did.
True, but they don’t lose thousands in appearance fees like Irvin did so NOT false. But good try.
 

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False! Happens to cops all the time. They are benched and out on leave while investigation pending. No one know what happened yet but by his removal the network was just removing the distraction. I personally would love if it came out he did nothing. I just get why they did it the way they did.
Of course.

This is what most business would do in the public eye under the circumstances . Remove potential distraction to defuse the situation at least until further investigation.

And in this particular case the popular celebrity accused had history related to the complaint which magnifies negative public exposure to the network .
 

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Well yeah, only the legal system is held to that standard. And even then, if you don't make bail....
If anyone has ever had to deal with Human Resources when a complaint is filed against you , unfortunately you have to plead your case in attempt to either prove their claim false or at least taken in the wrong context.

So yes, in a sense you are guilty until proven innocent. Because it isn’t a court of law but public opinion.

And that could be the situation here. Perhaps the accuser took Irvin’s words or expressions in wrong context, especially if he’d been drinking and of course with his history.
 

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You seem like a person who just loves to hear himself talk.

You responded to my comment. I re-iterated my comment.
Emphasizing my statement with the word crucify.
And you, lol, had the audacity to think I'm speaking only to you... smh
I never "addressed" you, buddy. I responded to your comment.
Look, you're hoping he's guilty so you can say "I knew it all along".
I'm just seeing a guy that fans, like you, are already jumping on.
It has zero to do with fandom.

And you finish it off with being okay with the behavior of Kamara.
How is it different? Here's how. Actual video. The NFL knew and did nothing.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I know this though. Some people get a kick out of
ruining other people's lives. The story is never fully revealed to all who've only
read the headline. Front page accusations always reach more than back page exonerations.
See? You're locked in to one side, clearly. I just laid out both sides' possibilities but the only evidence presented so far comes from Irvin's side and no one else has said anything so I evaluate what's out there. You see me and others evaluating that and get offended because it's against what you want to see happen. This is no different than people whining about the refs and when I show up to present that people don't even know the rules they're railing against, they get offended, start calling me a relative of a ref, not a real fan, etc. because I have the gall to examine a possibility that's against what they want to see happen. Thus your "stop crucifying the man" comment. Not once have you even considered that Irvin could have said something untoward because you're locked in to the woman being a liar. This isn't hard to see. It's emotion, bro. Emotion coming to the rescue of bias. Any consideration of something other than what you want to see is a threat so it must be conspiracy then. You see how this all works together in sport and real life? Lol.
 

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There are limitations in the system… You usually can’t hold someone indefinitely without proof.
You can hold them with evidence , circumstantial or physical amongst others .

Ultimately it’s the burden of the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt . But that’s not necessary for arrest or detainment .
 

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If anyone has ever had to deal with Human Resources when a complaint is filed against you , unfortunately you have to plead your case in attempt to either prove their claim false or at least taken in the wrong context.

So yes, in a sense you are guilty until proven innocent. Because it isn’t a court of law but public opinion.

And that could be the situation here. Perhaps the accuser took Irvin’s words or expressions in wrong context, especially if he’d been drinking and of course with his history.
You're absolutely right. Everything you said is right. That's how it works. I feel bad for Mike if this was just crap. But that's how it works. I'm still waiting to hear what he said.
 

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See? You're locked in to one side, clearly. I just laid out both sides' possibilities but the only evidence presented so far comes from Irvin's side and no one else has said anything so I evaluate what's out there. You see me and others evaluating that and get offended because it's against what you want to see happen. This is no different than people whining about the refs and when I show up to present that people don't even know the rules they're railing against, they get offended, start calling me a relative of a ref, not a real fan, etc. because I have the gall to examine a possibility that's against what they want to see happen. Thus your "stop crucifying the man" comment. Not once have you even considered that Irvin could have said something untoward because you're locked in to the woman being a liar. This isn't hard to see. It's emotion, bro. Emotion coming to the rescue of bias. Any consideration of something other than what you want to see is a threat so it must be conspiracy then. You see how this all works together in sport and real life? Lol.
Like I said before. You just love to hear yourself talk.
I'm not at all offended. Innocent or guilty, doesn't change my life
either way. You're seeing through a lense that leans toward guilty. I'm
looking at it from a practical point of view.

Another example is Zeke at a parade pulling up a girl's shirt. People were
appalled. Reporters approached her waiting for a "me too" moment. She told
them she'd spent that night with him and wasn't hurt by it at all. It killed their
narrative. The narrative that every appalled person wanted so bad.

Here's where you come in. You're banking on the "possibility" that something
vulgar was said by Irvin. In a hotel lobby. Cameras and people everywhere.
He shakes the woman's hand and leaves her standing there. Body language
suggested nothing wrong happened according to bystanders.
(Certainly, he didn't come close to saying your previous example.)
I never said the woman was a liar. However she hasn't repeated what he supposedly
said. Which would be alledged anyway. Not fact.

People are programed to crucify (had to say it again just for you) any person
rumored to have allegedly done something. It's reported that way. Companies
react to it in a way to continue the narrative because people have gotten away
with it for so long. Now, "it's protocol", they say. All that ever does is push the
vast majority to see a guilty person. Like several in this thread. Which is what my
first comment was referring to before you came along thinking that only two of
us are talking... screaming "emotion, emotion, emotion".

Also, I'm not your bro. I think we're done here.
 

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Like I said before. You just love to hear yourself talk.
I'm not at all offended. Innocent or guilty, doesn't change my life
either way. You're seeing through a lense that leans toward guilty. I'm
looking at it from a practical point of view.

Another example is Zeke at a parade pulling up a girl's shirt. People were
appalled. Reporters approached her waiting for a "me too" moment. She told
them she'd spent that night with him and wasn't hurt by it at all. It killed their
narrative. The narrative that every appalled person wanted so bad.

Here's where you come in. You're banking on the "possibility" that something
vulgar was said by Irvin. In a hotel lobby. Cameras and people everywhere.
He shakes the woman's hand and leaves her standing there. Body language
suggested nothing wrong happened according to bystanders.
(Certainly, he didn't come close to saying your previous example.)
I never said the woman was a liar. However she hasn't repeated what he supposedly
said. Which would be alledged anyway. Not fact.

People are programed to crucify (had to say it again just for you) any person
rumored to have allegedly done something. It's reported that way. Companies
react to it in a way to continue the narrative because people have gotten away
with it for so long. Now, "it's protocol", they say. All that ever does is push the
vast majority to see a guilty person. Like several in this thread. Which is what my
first comment was referring to before you came along thinking that only two of
us are talking... screaming "emotion, emotion, emotion".

Also, I'm not your bro. I think we're done here.
Again, you ignore the "possibility" of the opposite of what you seem to want to have happened. I've presented all sides I see: that Irvin could have said something and that the woman could be lying or was offended at something and/or the hotel took it up a notch she didn't ask/plan for. So what you're doing isn't a "practical" point of view, it's turning your head to the side every time you're shown something other than you want/need to believe. It's literally the same rodeo with the refs and rules people didn't know about during the season.

You STILL haven't addressed what I mentioned at the outset (and previous times before in this and other threads) which is that people don't react to things in the moment all the time, particularly if they feel threatened. Hell, you avoiding my other possibilities here is proof of that, probably because it's not expedient/prudent/safe to your slanted viewpoint. Are you literally trying to crucify me for thinking deeper than the surface?

Here's an example. You're at a big company gathering and one of the big bosses cracks a joke at your expense that annoys you to the point where if a friend had done it, you'd let him have it. Are you going to go at that big boss with the whole company watching, including his buddy the CEO? If the big boss approaches you to say in front of everyone, "I was just kidding" and goes to shake your hand then and there, are you going to refuse to embarrass him right back in front of everyone? Heck, maybe later though you'll file an HR harassment claim against him. But why not tell him then and there you plan on doing that? That's called a power dynamic that forces you to stay cool in the moment and plot what to do later. Was that a possibility for the woman in this case? Not true; possible?

I'm not pro or against Irvin so I'm not "banking" on anything. I want to know what happened exactly so I'm speaking on "what is" at the moment which includes several things I'm on the record as considering. If she's lying, throw the book at her. If he did say something (lying that he didn't or pretending not to remember), then he should suffer the consequences NFLN will hand down. If the hotel ran with something flimsy on their own or in cahoots with the woman, bleed their pockets. But what we have to work with is what's out there and that's what I analyze. I haven't heard a few of those possibilities out of you. I don't think that's by accident.

And I do dig the cut of my own jib, thank you very much, lol.
 

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False! Happens to cops all the time. They are benched and out on leave while investigation pending. No one know what happened yet but by his removal the network was just removing the distraction. I personally would love if it came out he did nothing. I just get why they did it the way they did.
Paid leave and that entire process has been institutionalized with LEOBOR laws and negotiated labor contracts. Not comparable.
 
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