Irvin pulled from Super Bowl coverage

[RoboQB]

Crucify? Lol. All I'm doing is assessing the evidence that comes out. You're coming across quite defensive there.

No, he couldn't just say "anything he wanted." If he made a joke that he was going to cut her into pieces and toss her parts out of his hotel window while staying in that establishment, that would be cool? Right, no. As I said when these witnesses came out, people who think that seals things for Irvin are assuming that someone needs to react to a threat right there in the moment every time. Some take time to process or just want to get away to safety before they decide on what to do including being as cordial as possible so as to not escalate the threat. That's the angle lawyers will take with these witnesses anyway so Irvin's lawyers would need to be able to refute that if this went to court. A jury of straight line thinkers would be their friend. As would you, lol.

I didn't claim you speciifcally were crucifying him.
The man was pulled from assignment and forced to change hotels.
Numerous fans are bringing up past occurances. He's been a victim of false
accusations in the past. I'm not defensive at all. You have a very dark mind
to use an example of a serial killer as a possibility of what was said.

Not many people shake hands with someone who just insulted them in some way.

 

[MarcusRock]

I didn't claim you speciifcally were crucifying him.
The man was pulled from assignment and forced to change hotels.
Numerous fans are bringing up past occurances. He's been a victim of false
accusations in the past. I'm not defensive at all. You have a very dark mind
to use an example of a serial killer as a possibility of what was said.

Not many people shake hands with someone who just insulted them in some way.

You are defensive and you did say I was crucifying him. I don't care about his past offenses or past ruses against him. I'm merely looking at this particular event. He can't just go saying anything he wants like you stated. The witnesses stated things looked "normal." I'm saying things can look normal AND be threatening at the same time so I don't think the witnesses add as much weight as folks think. Unless someone heard what they said to each other then this will exist the way it does now: hazy suppositions and Irvin pulled from coverage.

And again you ignore what I stated. You can absolutely shake hands and be polite with someone if you feel a threat or didn't even realize that what was said was a threat until later. The former is just getting out of there in the hopes that a person isn't crazy enough to try something in public with witnesses and the latter is just delayed processing. But nothing in this case gets proved without audio. Until then, we all speculate and discuss angles here and there. Only the biased are getting their emotions involved here.

 

[RoboQB]

You are defensive and you did say I was crucifying him. I don't care about his past offenses or past ruses against him. I'm merely looking at this particular event. He can't just go saying anything he wants like you stated. The witnesses stated things looked "normal." I'm saying things can look normal AND be threatening at the same time so I don't think the witnesses add as much weight as folks think. Unless someone heard what they said to each other then this will exist the way it does now: hazy suppositions and Irvin pulled from coverage.

And again you ignore what I stated. You can absolutely shake hands and be polite with someone if you feel a threat or didn't even realize that what was said was a threat until later. The former is just getting out of there in the hopes that a person isn't crazy enough to try something in public with witnesses and the latter is just delayed processing. But nothing in this case gets proved without audio. Until then, we all speculate and discuss angles here and there. Only the biased are getting their emotions involved here.

Are you not aware there are more than two people talking here?
It is clear to me that there are fans here seemingly rooting for him to be guilty.
Basing that from past occurrances.

It seems you are the emotional one here.
I simply believe that innocent until proven guilty should be an across the board law.
Instead, it means missing out on working SB Sunday and never staying in a Marriott again.

As I stated in another post, the NFL allowed Alvin Kamara to stay for Pro Bowl events
last year after video was released that he and his buddies beat up a fan. Where was the
protocol for that?

 

[RoboQB]

Gotta love it on this board.

"You don't agree with me so YOU'RE defensive, YOU'RE emotional"
as they scream into the internet...lol

Incredible how far we've fallen as people.

 

[Diehardblues]

Imagine if he were innocent. I know it's hard for you to do.
Does the NFL and Marriott deserve praise for swiftly deciding to
pull a working man from his job over a 45 second encounter on
hotel video with several witnesses?

Alvin Kamara beat up a fan, on video, last year and was allowed to stay and
participate in the Pro Bowl events.

So, beat up a fan, on video... nothing.
Converse with a hotel employee that walked up to you... removal from hotel and pulled from job.

Swift decisions, indeed... smh

Yes . That’s what publicly held business do.

And no one wants a Rice situation again.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not without investigating first.

You obviously are unaware. But that’s fine .

 

[Diehardblues]

I was referring to so-called fans, like yourself.
Follow the thread. I mentioned it about 10 posts back.

I can’t imagine fans supporting Irvin for his off field antics. Probably greatest receiver in Cowboys history but I wouldn’t trust with any women I care for.

 

[MarcusRock]

Are you not aware there are more than two people talking here?
It is clear to me that there are fans here seemingly rooting for him to be guilty.
Basing that from past occurrances.

It seems you are the emotional one here.
I simply believe that innocent until proven guilty should be an across the board law.
Instead, it means missing out on working SB Sunday and never staying in a Marriott again.

As I stated in another post, the NFL allowed Alvin Kamara to stay for Pro Bowl events
last year after video was released that he and his buddies beat up a fan. Where was the
protocol for that?

What you're saying to anyone else doesn't concern me. They have their angles and I approach things they way I do. What they're saying shouldn't cross over into what I'm saying when you're addressing me so if you're saying they're trying to crucify Irvin, not sure why you'd even mention that when quoting my post unless you were bothered/disturbed by it. You're saying innocent until proven guilty. I'm saying no one knows what was said and that witness accounts also don't know what was said so they aren't as strong as people think because it's almost ALL about what was said. The hotel felt he should leave. Irvin works for a high profile organization with a high stake in PR. This is what PR-laded organizations do when controversy comes up and what all their employees sign up for. These are the rational circumstances at play.

All this "it's wrong" or "but, but, what about ..." is strictly emotional pile-on for people who want Irvin unscathed for fan or accuser blowback reasons and won't even consider that he might have uttered something bad, because he definitely could have. This woman also could be lying, targeted him, only felt mildly bothered and the hotel went overboard, or all of the above. All we have is Irvin's story and witnesses to pick apart. So I do that. Those threatened by that appear to have motive to need him to be innocent. He might be. And he might not be.

Never saw the Kamara incident so can't evaluate that and it's different than this to boot. But some fans need a roughing up for running their mouths thinking they're safe, lol.

 

[MarcusRock]

Gotta love it on this board.

"You don't agree with me so YOU'RE defensive, YOU'RE emotional"
as they scream into the internet...lol

Incredible how far we've fallen as people.

Bro, this isn't an emotional overreaction by you here? Lol. I'm not asking you to agree. I'm pretty sure you're biased here so nothing I say will make a difference. You forget that I'm the guy that comes with video proof that people's whines are illegitimate and yet they still hold to their victim stories. Changing minds is not my bag, baby. I'm merely thinking critically out loud about all this "the witnesses prove ..." stuff and you're stating I'm trying to crucify Irvin but then say it might have been from another post that you stated that. Are these the workings of someone operating rationally? And then "how far we've fallen as people?" This is hardly a struggle for the soul of America here. Get a grip, lol.

 

[Rockport]

Yes . That’s what publicly held business do.

And no one wants a Rice situation again.

The NFL is not a publicly held company.

 

[Cowboys1966]

All publicly held positions do from peace officers , even teachers , tv personalities .. you name it.

It’s all about protecting their brand until an investigation can be done . And most are suspended with pay .

So guilty until proven innocent

 

[dfense]

And these celebrities know that. Michael has quite the rap sheet. And he’s been out drinking admittedly and then some altercation. He has to be smarter than that .

The facts and truths are Michael has a Rap Sheet a mile long. He should have an entourage protecting him from himself .

A mile long? With no actual convictions though. He's had more shake down attempts than court appearances. His cocaine thing was 25 years ago.

 

[dfense]

Right- his criminal history doesn’t influence your judgment . Lol

Again, never convicted of a crime.

 

[dfense]

He was charged with felony cocaine possession and suspended for it.

Get a grip.

Charges were dismissed though. So there's that. Prosecution couldn't get the other partiers to turn on Irvin even though they threatened them. They only wanted the big fish.

 

[Diehardblues]

The NFL is not a publicly held company.

They are concerned about their public image .

 

[Diehardblues]

So guilty until proven innocent

Of course. That’s how the system works. You arrest or hold the suspect until they can prove their innocence.

 

[Diehardblues]

A mile long? With no actual convictions though. He's had more shake down attempts than court appearances. His cocaine thing was 25 years ago.

Like most high profile athletes who have been arrested or charged.

DA’s don’t want to take these popular athletes to trial. Very difficult finding 12 jurors who aren’t home town fans. Then the potential fallout in a re-election campaign.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

I can’t imagine fans supporting Irvin for his off field antics. Probably greatest receiver in Cowboys history but I wouldn’t trust with any women I care for.

Based on ?

 

[CouchCoach]

And that makes it right?

Right doesn't matter and I don't have a enough space to tell you everything wrong with the NFL.

 

[CouchCoach]

So guilty until proven innocent

Neither, they removed him from a situation that most likely would have created a distraction with their coverage.

I have not heard that they did anything beyond just send him back to Dallas. They have said nothing, the woman has said nothing and the hotel has said nothing. And Irvin said too much when he got back to Dallas.

Irvin used having drinks as his excuse for not remembering what transpired. If you work for a company, try that one on your boss and see their response. If he had too many that impaired his memory, that's too much to drink for most people. That's perception and the NFL is all about perception.

Other than a lot of Irvin fans here, do you think the majority of NFL fans could give two hoots about this?