Irvin to have 7am Wed press conference - Video in post 113

[sacase]

Probably; actually sending the video sounded really strange to me.

The NFL showed him a still image when they told him about it originally. They wouldn't let him see the video. They have a copy.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yeah, I don't think the video will come out to the public either even though I want to see it. The judge already stated that Marriott's concern for the employee's privacy was "well-founded" which is why he told them when he gave the original order to "produce" the video, reports and witness accounts that they could redact her name in any reports AND use reasonable means to protect her identity. Marriott cited that last part to justify not turning over a copy of the video but say they "produced" it per the order which didn't require giving a copy. I actually said they'd use the "reasonable means" leeway with the video but thought they'd blur her out of it when they used it to not provide a copy instead. Tomato-ToMAHto. I was right. Lol.

I bet Marriott would not go to such extremes to "protect" an employee if it were a man.

 

[cowboyed]

2 or 3 drinks don't give you amnesia. To use that as an excuse takes away from Irvin's credibility which is periodically suspect. This seems like one of those making hay out of a single straw litigating scenarios. It is getting to the point that if you fart or burp near someone you can be sued or jailed for olfactory assault.

 

[TexasBoys2288]

I hope Michael ends up owning a bunch of Marriott locations. That would be awesome justice.

Then he could ban all the current owners and staff for life from all of his Marriots, lol.

 

[Miller]

It did mean something. Maybe you can't figure that out because you believe anything the media says that supports your biased position.

Biased? I’m one of the people saying I don’t know who’s right here and that I’m waiting and seeing. I’ve said it 3 times. I just explained earlier why the video may not have been turned over. That’s all

 

[Jipper]

2 or 3 drinks don't give you amnesia. To use that as an excuse takes away from Irvin's credibility which is periodically suspect. This seems like one of those making hay out of a single straw litigating scenarios. It is getting to the point that if you fart or burp near someone you can be sued or jailed for olfactory assault.

Yup, it's becoming a victim mentality out there...not to say that is what happened here bc we don't know all the facts, but we're living in a time where undue magnification is becoming the norm.

I am glad I'm 40 now bc if I look back at how things wete in my early 20s I think I would have gotten in trouble...esp with social media.

 

[Diehardblues]

I bet Marriott would not go to such extremes to "protect" an employee if it were a man.

I’m not aware of many men being sexually assaulted or inappropriate behavior as such. Most men would probably welcome sexual advances .

This type of statement is so concerning in why these women need protected unless we want to discourage them from coming out to testify.

For generations men have gotten away with such behavior and finally women are exposing them.

 

[JBond]

Polarization. I'm right and you are wrong. Only made it through the first hundred posts. Then had to stop. Irvin is controversial. I get it. I hate when a bunch of really good folks that add great contributions most of the time fight with each other over a multimillionaire that may or may not have done something. Who gives a ****? We are all friends that support our team. The courts will figure it out. Stop tearing up your fellow fans.

 

[CouchCoach]

Yea. Just said he’d been out drinking. Not all night .

I had to go back and look at 105.3 interview. Interesting how all of the narratives after said how troubling his words and admittance were.

If everyone here gets the chance, listen to that call in but this time only listen to how Irvin speaks, not what he says. He is obviously nervous and not speaking in his normal cadence. He is extremely uneasy and trying to hide it. He seems scared.

My point is that line about "had a few drinks" as a reason for not remembering could be a throwaway and not as relevant as I first thought. First off, having a few drinks is ambiguous and how many cause one to lose their memory functions? Most have to get to the drunk point and well beyond for blackouts to occur.

So, here is what I think based on not much to go on.

I think Irvin said something along with the touching of her elbow that she reported back to her supervisor. BTW, the men here that do not see touching her as an invasion of her space, go out today and meet women and make sure you touch their arm or elblow and report back how well they respond to that. You do not touch any woman anywhere that you do not know really well and even then it is ill advised as many men have discovered.

Someone up the ladder overreacted to what the woman reported and the punishment did not fit the crime. A male manager could have approached him with a warning not to put his hands on any females within the hotel and let that be it. They've done their duty.

I think that's where the lawyers find themselves, someone got a little to Barney Fife and Irvin should not have been moved. And this particular woman, if she was weirded out by him, did not have to interact with him again.

Irvin could have just been being Irvin and didn't think he was doing anything wrong, even if he made a suggestive comment. Touching her might have exacerbated whatever he said.

You guys with girlfriends and/or wives, try this on either or both. Look her in the eyes and tell her you love her. Now do that only this time cup her face in your hands or take her hands in yours. Touching for a woman amplifies everything......good or bad.

So, if he said something forward, that would have been accentuated and heightened by just the simple touching of her elbow. Message delivered with urgency. Message received with overreaction.

It is a well-known fact than Irvin uses his hands on people when he is talking to them, he has since he was at ESPN. His lawyer even referenced that and emphasized "briefly" in that pc. Only this time he timed it with something that set her alarm off that he said and that started this entire out of control ordeal that probably never should have happened.

Some are blaming her but did she make the decision to move him or even agree with that? She might be regretting she even reported it.

Irvin should not have done what he did but he does not deserve the punishment. However, what he should have never done was that call in to 105.3 and broke his own story because other than Irvin and his lawyer, no one else has been talking.

It is possible we would have never known any of this happened but from a selfish standpoint, I would not be having as much fun batting to ole ball around with all my fellow lawyers. Honestly, these off season escapades of Cowboys and ex Cowboys make it almost worthwhile putting up with the Joneses.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’m not aware of many men being sexually assaulted or inappropriate behavior as such. Most men would probably welcome sexual advances .

This type of statement is so concerning in why these women need protected unless we want to discourage them from coming out to testify.

For generations men have gotten away with such behavior and finally women are exposing them.

Are you serious? 9% of sexual assaults or rapes are done by women against men.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No. If you've seen my posts in all the threads I've examined the evidence that's out there and parsed it critically. No different than I operate on football matters. I call 'em like I see 'em. Here involves a bit more speculation of course. The only people with issues with that are the pro-Irvin/anti-accuser types who are locked in to the result they want to see happen. Again, no different than football matters when I chime in there.

Lets just say that Irvin was rude to someone in the lobby? So what? The guy should have his job and life ruined because of it?

Are you part of the cancel mob?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Are you serious? 9% of sexual assaults or rapes are done by women against men.

Yep and physical spousal abuse is only a one way street. Half the time the women is slapping the guy and he simply pushed her away and gets thrown in jail for it.

A lot of one way streets in society today when they are clearly two way streets.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yep and physical spousal abuse is only a one way street. Half the time the women is slapping the guy and he simply pushed her away and gets thrown in jail for it.

A lot of one way streets in society today when they are clearly two way streets.

100% fact. The thing that rubs me the wrong way are all them males trying to be heroes of some sort who quickly and falsely judge a man but adamantly refuse at all costs to do the same against a woman.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

When he compared being sent home from covering the SB, as a wealthy black man with highly-paid attorneys - to a lynching - Irvin lost my support.

That's an asinine analogy, and an insult to every black person who lost a family member to an actual lynching - a horrible, unjustifiable death.

I don't care how many SBs he helped Dallas win, I don't care how many fan boys blindly support anything he says, it's an absurd analogy deserving of ridicule.

If this post makes you mad, you should take a good, hard look in a mirror. As should Michael Irvin.

Yes, it's frustrating to be accused of something you don't think you did. But to use lynching as your defense, before going home to your fancy residence, is shameful.

If this still makes you mad, I don't care. Put down the pom poms, be an adult, and think about the comparison he made. If you still don't get it, may God help you.

Awesome post.

 

[CouchCoach]

When he compared being sent home from covering the SB, as a wealthy black man with highly-paid attorneys - to a lynching - Irvin lost my support.

That's an asinine analogy, and an insult to every black person who lost a family member to an actual lynching - a horrible, unjustifiable death.

I don't care how many SBs he helped Dallas win, I don't care how many fan boys blindly support anything he says, it's an absurd analogy deserving of ridicule.

If this post makes you mad, you should take a good, hard look in a mirror. As should Michael Irvin.

Yes, it's frustrating to be accused of something you don't think you did. But to use lynching as your defense, before going home to your fancy residence, is shameful.

If this still makes you mad, I don't care. Put down the pom poms, be an adult, and think about the comparison he made. If you still don't get it, may God help you.

I think this was the lawyer ploy because he knows race and anti-semitism are good cards to play. And I could not agree more.

I would like to see a shot of the reporters' faces as he was doing that.

 

[CouchCoach]

I bet Marriott would not go to such extremes to "protect" an employee if it were a man.

The industry they are in is female dominated by the sheer number and % they employ in a male dominated clientele. Which gender needs more protection?

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Are you serious? 9% of sexual assaults or rapes are done by women against men.

You have to just be making this up. Where's your link?

 

[CouchCoach]

Reputation matters and it has influenced the thinking in these threads. I wonder if that affected the thinking of the person making the decision to move him?

If this had been another analyst without Irvin's track record, does he receive the same treatment?

 

[America's Cowboy]

You have to just be making this up. Where's your link?

Google it.

POST EDIT: Here you go....

https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics

 

[CouchCoach]

Lets just say that Irvin was rude to someone in the lobby? So what? The guy should have his job and life ruined because of it?

Are you part of the cancel mob?

People in the hospitality business deal with rude people all the time. I don't think that was construed as rude.

That said, overreaction could have easily taken place.

This could have been some manager down the line and not the GM that made this call and once it was done, too late to fix it now. However, they did not alert the public to this, that was all on Irvin.