Is being a top Game Day HC all that important anymore?

[TrailBlazer]

How out-coached are we really getting when we're playing for the division championship each year with a bottom-5 defense? Really? All coaches have decisions in close games that are second guessed. Yes, Jason has done a couple of really bone-headed things in games, but he's not costing us 3 wins/year. We're in bad tactical positions in games all the time because we cannot stop anybody from passing effectively against us and that's one of the two things that gets teams beat more often than not.

Playing for the division in week 17 and losing and being 8-8 three years running is not something to point to as a reason to support JG. He is the HC, he takes responsibility for the defense too. I know you like to be full of sunshine and all that, but their are better candidates for the job.

 

[Big D]

clock management is important

Running the ball on 1st and goal, or when you have a 20+ pt lead, or when you've averaged 7.5 ypc is important.

 

[Idgit]

Playing for the division in week 17 and losing and being 8-8 three years running is not something to point to as a reason to support JG. He is the HC, he takes responsibility for the defense too. I know you like to be full of sunshine and all that, but their are better candidates for the job.

Oh, I've been more critical of the defense than most posters here, by a long shot. And I've always said Jason Garrett is responsible for the defense and that he's dithered on the coordinator hirings, too, and it's hurt us. You guys really need to be able to differentiate when a poster is critical of one area, and not another. That's not the same thing as 'being full of sunshine and all that.' There are reasons we lose games. Some of us like to talk about them. Others like to blame play calling and the quarterback.

But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about game day decisions here. And I'm saying it's the bad defense that's caused us to lose the games and not the game day decisions. And I think that's pretty obvious, both from watching, and then from reviewing the data after the fact.

 

[TrailBlazer]

HCs are obviously super-important. The question is whether or not communications and process have evolved enough to make the in-game calls more of a team process than they used to be, where you're not relying on one single person as much as you used to have to. And I think that's probably the case. You can have people responsible for more information and have that information more readily available than you did before, and then the coach can rely on that information, discuss it quickly over the headset, and have that collective decision piped in to the QB or the defense in real time where, before, all that processing had to happen in one guy's head and had to be communicated via signals or on the sidelines. The faster the processing and the flow of information gets, the less it's dependent on any one person. That stands to reason, doesn't it?

Makes sense. But it's just as important to have a good one now just like it was important 20 years ago. Assistants doing a lot of the play calling, but it's still important to have a good HC that can lead a team and be the boss and pull all the strings as far as gameplanning, game management.

 

[Idgit]

Makes sense. But it's just as important to have a good one now just like it was important 20 years ago. Assistants doing a lot of the play calling, but it's still important to have a good HC that can lead a team and be the boss and pull all the strings as far as gameplanning, game management.

Yeah. The importance of the HC hasn't changed. Or if it has, it might be more important. I'd just say that my guess is that his individual impact during the game itself is probably less just because decisions are made collectively and with a lot more information than they used to be.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Oh, I've been more critical of the defense than most posters here, by a long shot. And I've always said Jason Garrett is responsible for the defense and that he's dithered on the coordinator hirings, too, and it's hurt us. You guys really need to be able to differentiate when a poster is critical of one area, and not another. That's not the same thing as 'being full of sunshine and all that.' There are reasons we lose games. Some of us like to talk about them. Others like to blame play calling and the quarterback.

But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about game day decisions here. And I'm saying it's the bad defense that's caused us to lose the games and not the game day decisions. And I think that's pretty obvious, both from watching, and then from reviewing the data after the fact.

Fair enough

 

[Wolfpack]

So here's a question:

Last years Green Bay game is often held up as a mistake by JG, and I agree with that view. So, if that game is coached by someone like a Jimmy Johnson or a Bill Parcells, do you really think that either of them loose that game?

 

[jnday]

Responses are about as I figured considering the posters. Was hoping for some original thoughts but the usual suspects spew the party line.

And you have done a good job of swapping parties. Your conversion to Mr. Sunshine has produced very little substance and a great deal of backhanded insults. Before your conversion, at least you offered some original thoughts and honest debate. If you want to become Holly Homer, that is your choice, but at least bring an ideal or two that offers points to debate. I don't know if you swapped parties by choice or maybe the realist kicked you out, it really doesn't matter. You seem to think the usual suspects are the cause of the Cowboys' problems, but they are the ones that are willing to point those problems out. Kinda like you did at one time.nin your case, you couldn't beat them, so you joined them.

 

[Jarv]

Yes it is.

 

[jaybird]

Are you Jason's mom?

Too-shay, how about knowing when to call a timeout. Or when to focus on runiing game.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If the importance of the head coach on game is decreasing, .. then let's decrease his pay accordingly.

Somehow I don't see that happening.

 

[Idgit]

So here's a question:

Last years Green Bay game is often held up as a mistake by JG, and I agree with that view. So, if that game is coached by someone like a Jimmy Johnson or a Bill Parcells, do you really think that either of them loose that game?

Hard to say what Jimmy might have done. I think we'd have lost it under Parcells, yeah, though not the same way.

 

[Little Jr]

And I'd counter that with you ignore the good decisions and focus on the bad. You also probably confuse a coaching decision for a QB audible.

To me, this is all nonsense. I'll care about the quality of the coaching when the talent is good enough to win something.

Lol id counter you with you are probably the last person to be talking about ignoring tthe good and foucusing on the bad. Im not confuse at all. I know romo has keys to look for thatid built in the schem to audible to another play. I also know if its a time of the game and you want your qb to run and kill clock you tell him not to audible go with the play call.

 

[Little Jr]

How out-coached are we really getting when we're playing for the division championship each year with a bottom-5 defense? Really? All coaches have decisions in close games that are second guessed. Yes, Jason has done a couple of really bone-headed things in games, but he's not costing us 3 wins/year. We're in bad tactical positions in games all the time because we cannot stop anybody from passing effectively against us and that's one of the two things that gets teams beat more often than not.

He done nothing to help the d in the past 2 years. His time mgt sucks. His playcalling at end of games suck. His offense went a 1.5 games without converting a freaking 3rd down. He went 8-8 in 2011 with a better d than he had in 12 or 13. He's avg coach at best. Hell his owner says he's a coach in training. The only ones I've seen defend him are people who hate jj so they make excuses for jg and the typical fan boys.

 

[perrykemp]

Three most important people on a NFL club:

• GM
• Head Coach
• Starting QB

If you have that and nothing else you probably win 8 games a year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I know romo has keys to look for thatid built in the schem to audible to another play. I also know if its a time of the game and you want your qb to run and kill clock you tell him not to audible go with the play call.

The coaches even admitted afterwards they should have taken off the check option tag.

 

[Little Jr]

The coaches even admitted afterwards they should have taken off the check option tag.

Yeah I always wonder what they admitted to exactly. That they should have done it for the last drive. The last 2 drives or the whole 2nd half? Lol you would think at some point they would realize their qb keeps audibling out?

 

[Idgit]

He done nothing to help the d in the past 2 years. His time mgt sucks. His playcalling at end of games suck. His offense went a 1.5 games without converting a freaking 3rd down. He went 8-8 in 2011 with a better d than he had in 12 or 13. He's avg coach at best. Hell his owner says he's a coach in training. The only ones I've seen defend him are people who hate jj so they make excuses for jg and the typical fan boys.

So little here to agree with. It's either completely subjective, or it's not particularly relevant (the 3rd down performance), or it overlooks other important factors (the 2011 performance, for example).

And there are a ton of people who still support him, not just in the organization or on this site. See the Aikman quote in my sig, for example. In fact, the only people I'm aware of who have a real problem with him are fans on message boards who can't separate out the reasons teams lose games and so habitually blame the coach or the QB.

 

[Beast_from_East]

How out-coached are we really getting when we're playing for the division championship each year with a bottom-5 defense? Really? All coaches have decisions in close games that are second guessed. Yes, Jason has done a couple of really bone-headed things in games, but he's not costing us 3 wins/year. We're in bad tactical positions in games all the time because we cannot stop anybody from passing effectively against us and that's one of the two things that gets teams beat more often than not.

And the head coach is not responsible for the pass defense?

 

[Beast_from_East]

So here's a question:

Last years Green Bay game is often held up as a mistake by JG, and I agree with that view. So, if that game is coached by someone like a Jimmy Johnson or a Bill Parcells, do you really think that either of them loose that game?

Absolutely not.

Even Troy Aikman has said that that was the worst managed game he had ever seen.

And for those that say I am being negative just to be negative, a Supercomputer calculated our chances of winning that Green Bay game as 99.8%. In fact, no team in NFL history had ever lost a game under similar conditions (score, time remaining, being at home, ect......)

That Green Bay game was truly epic.