Is Bledsoe going into the HOF in his first year of eligibility like Moon?

[jimmy40]

Did you hear what Goose had to say. He said that the committee talked about what he had to go through to be a QB. He was a pioneer for black QB's and is now the first in the HOF. I agree that he was a pioneer for african american people, but that is not what the HOF is right? If he were white, he would not be in the HOF. That is just as discriminating as not allowing a player to be voted in because they are black. He was 3-7 in the playoffs. That is when great players shine. He was a very good QB, but not great and certainly not legendary.

So unless Bledsoe wins another ring as a Cowboy, he is not a HOFer.

If Warren Moon was white, he never would have had to play in Canada to begin with so yes, he WOULD be in the HOF.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

well, the jacket is going to be velvet with a mixture of all of drews former team colors so his greatness is obviously tied to the succecss of all his past teams - we don't want to leave that out.

cape is only for the top 2 'drewlickers' so i think nors already has his and the other would go to the dude that was banned who was only following drew and claimed to look just like him - other cape award there.

they do have "pants colored" leotards and they just wear game-used-drew-socks they stole out of the laundry bin and can't prove they were drews but they swear it anyway. let's not get into the "game worn shoes" the top members wear on game day.

the shorts are all cowboys baby. they wear this over the leotards so not to "show off" what leotards tend to show off, or the lack of - whichever. they're red/white/blue with a green pull string - they felt more than that would be tacky.

the helmet is a standard police motorcycle helmet with SUPERDUPER on one side and DREW CREW on the other with a rose-colored visor in front so they can see no drew errors.

ROFLMAO!

The "cape thing" got me.

I'm close to wanting to join!

 

[Hostile]

ROFLMAO!

I unfortunately can see that!

What color do you see him in?

 

[iceberg]

instead of "i'm BATMAN" they strike dramatic heisman poses and shout "I'M DREWCREW!!!" while using the cape for additional dramatic effects.

 

[tyke1doe]

Did you hear what Goose had to say. He said that the committee talked about what he had to go through to be a QB. He was a pioneer for black QB's and is now the first in the HOF. I agree that he was a pioneer for african american people, but that is not what the HOF is right? If he were white, he would not be in the HOF. That is just as discriminating as not allowing a player to be voted in because they are black. He was 3-7 in the playoffs. That is when great players shine. He was a very good QB, but not great and certainly not legendary.

So unless Bledsoe wins another ring as a Cowboy, he is not a HOFer.

Whether we like it or not, race does matter, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks.

The reason why?

Historically up until recently, blacks were considered too dumb to be quarterbacks. They were rerouted to other positions. This mentality impacted the game of football because black athletes never really had the opportunity to become black quarterbacks. And that was not just a matter of talent or intelligence. It was a systematic belief among NFL coaches, scouts, coordinators, etc.

In that context, here is Warren Moon, a Rose Bowl MVP, who was never given a chance to become a quarterback right out of college on anyone's roster. The system that believed blacks could not be NFL starting QBs didn't give him a chance to compete or start, even though he had the college credentials.

He goes to the CFL, plays five years and then returns to the NFL. And regardless of the offense he played in, he threw for 49,325 putting him fourth in all-time passing yards behind Marino, Elway and Favre (all either in or will be in the Hall of Fame). Marino never won a Super Bowl so the fact that Moon never made it to one isn't a strike against him considering where he is on the passing list.

That's why Moon was considered for the Hall of Fame. The NFL's history of discriminating against blacks at the quarterback position is PART of its legacy.

That should be a consideration in the overall scheme of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, that an African American, despite the obstacles, makes it back into the NFL and then becomes the fourth ranked quarterback in passing yards.

Race is a part of American history, whether we like it or not because the legacy of the past still has repercussions on the presence and the future.

Comparing Bledsoe and Moon doesn't take this into consideration. Furthermore, Bledsoe has really not distinguished himself from his contemporaries. His contemporaries being Tom Brady, Brett Favre, John Elway, Troy Aikman, etc.

He's a compiler of stats, but where has he really stood out, aside from leading the Pats to an AFC Championship victory, which is a feather in his cap?

He'll need another Super Bowl victory and possibly a legendary play absent two Super Bowl victories before he gets the call to the Hall.

 

[5 Super Bowls]

If Warren Moon was white, he never would have had to play in Canada to begin with so yes, he WOULD be in the HOF.

Fair point, but how would we ever know. Fact is we don't know. His stats alone are not enough to put him in, so race became an issue. It is discrimination any way you cut it. He was 3-7 in the playoffs. He got his numbers in the run and shoot offense. If he were a HOF caliber QB he would not have played on 4 different NFL teams. That fact alone hurts him in my eyes alone. I think that is why I don't think Bledsoe is a HOFer. He was so good that Buffalo just let him go. If Bledsoe gets a ring here, he has a chance, but he needs it to even have a chance, and as much as I hate to say it, I just don't see that happening in the next couple of years. I hope I am wrong, just don't think I am.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Did you hear what Goose had to say. He said that the committee talked about what he had to go through to be a QB. He was a pioneer for black QB's and is now the first in the HOF. I agree that he was a pioneer for african american people, but that is not what the HOF is right? If he were white, he would not be in the HOF. That is just as discriminating as not allowing a player to be voted in because they are black. He was 3-7 in the playoffs. That is when great players shine. He was a very good QB, but not great and certainly not legendary.

So the HOF is going political on us now? What ever happened to "accomplishments made on the field of play"???????

 

[5 Super Bowls]

In that context, here is Warren Moon, a Rose Bowl MVP, who was never given a chance to become a quarterback right out of college on anyone's roster. The system that believed blacks could not be NFL starting QBs didn't give him a chance to compete or start, even though he had the college credentials.

Vince Evans won the Rose Bowl MVP in 1977, and was drafted as a black QB by Oakland. That was one year before Moon won the Rose Bowl.

There are plenty of QB MVP's of the Rose Bowl that were not drafted and they were black and white.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What color do you see him in?

I'm thinking a Patriots Red/White/Blue... you know the colors of Nors' favorite team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm thinking a Patriots Red/White/Blue... you know the colors of Nors' favorite team.

Take it easy on Nors today. His favorite team isn't playing today you know.

 

[Chief]

Whether we like it or not, race does matter, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks.

The reason why?

Historically up until recently, blacks were considered too dumb to be quarterbacks. They were rerouted to other positions. This mentality impacted the game of football because black athletes never really had the opportunity to become black quarterbacks. And that was not just a matter of talent or intelligence. It was a systematic belief among NFL coaches, scouts, coordinators, etc.

In that context, here is Warren Moon, a Rose Bowl MVP, who was never given a chance to become a quarterback right out of college on anyone's roster. The system that believed blacks could not be NFL starting QBs didn't give him a chance to compete or start, even though he had the college credentials.

He goes to the CFL, plays five years and then returns to the NFL. And regardless of the offense he played in, he threw for 49,325 putting him fourth in all-time passing yards behind Marino, Elway and Favre (all either in or will be in the Hall of Fame). Marino never won a Super Bowl so the fact that Moon never made it to one isn't a strike against him considering where he is on the passing list.

That's why Moon was considered for the Hall of Fame. The NFL's history of discriminating against blacks at the quarterback position is PART of its legacy.

That should be a consideration in the overall scheme of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, that an African American, despite the obstacles, makes it back into the NFL and then becomes the fourth ranked quarterback in passing yards.

Race is a part of American history, whether we like it or not because the legacy of the past still has repercussions on the presence and the future.

Comparing Bledsoe and Moon doesn't take this into consideration. Furthermore, Bledsoe has really not distinguished himself from his contemporaries. His contemporaries being Tom Brady, Brett Favre, John Elway, Troy Aikman, etc.

He's a compiler of stats, but where has he really stood out, aside from leading the Pats to an AFC Championship victory, which is a feather in his cap?

He'll need another Super Bowl victory and possibly a legendary play absent two Super Bowl victories before he gets the call to the Hall.

Great post.

 

[5 Super Bowls]

Whether we like it or not, race does matter, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks.

The reason why?

Historically up until recently, blacks were considered too dumb to be quarterbacks. They were rerouted to other positions. This mentality impacted the game of football because black athletes never really had the opportunity to become black quarterbacks. And that was not just a matter of talent or intelligence. It was a systematic belief among NFL coaches, scouts, coordinators, etc.

In that context, here is Warren Moon, a Rose Bowl MVP, who was never given a chance to become a quarterback right out of college on anyone's roster. The system that believed blacks could not be NFL starting QBs didn't give him a chance to compete or start, even though he had the college credentials.

He goes to the CFL, plays five years and then returns to the NFL. And regardless of the offense he played in, he threw for 49,325 putting him fourth in all-time passing yards behind Marino, Elway and Favre (all either in or will be in the Hall of Fame). Marino never won a Super Bowl so the fact that Moon never made it to one isn't a strike against him considering where he is on the passing list.

That's why Moon was considered for the Hall of Fame. The NFL's history of discriminating against blacks at the quarterback position is PART of its legacy.

That should be a consideration in the overall scheme of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, that an African American, despite the obstacles, makes it back into the NFL and then becomes the fourth ranked quarterback in passing yards.

Race is a part of American history, whether we like it or not because the legacy of the past still has repercussions on the presence and the future.

Comparing Bledsoe and Moon doesn't take this into consideration. Furthermore, Bledsoe has really not distinguished himself from his contemporaries. His contemporaries being Tom Brady, Brett Favre, John Elway, Troy Aikman, etc.

He's a compiler of stats, but where has he really stood out, aside from leading the Pats to an AFC Championship victory, which is a feather in his cap?

He'll need another Super Bowl victory and possibly a legendary play absent two Super Bowl victories before he gets the call to the Hall.

So you think he is a HOFer because he was an african american QB. I don't really know what else to say.

 

[GTiRacer06]

Moon get in so fast because he's black.

 

[Zaxor]

I think we can finally put the 'Bledsoe being a HOF QB' debate to rest after today's announcement of Warren Moon being inducted into the HOF in his FIRST year of eligability. Love him or hate him, Studsoe most certainly is Canton bound with his gaudy resume.

Now here's why...some key Warren Moon facts and figures:

1) 3-7 career playoff records(sub .500)....Bledsoe is already better in wins with 4(or 5 if you count the 01' AFC Championship)

2) ZERO superbowl appearances....again Bledsoe is better, 2 SB's, 1 Ring(even though it came with him riding the pine)

3) Moon the true definition of a journeyman: 5 years in the CFL, Oilers, Vikings, Seahawks and Chief.....Drew has played for Pats, Bills and now Cowboys

4) 49,325 Career Passing Yards (51,061 including rushing)....Drew is already at 43,447 and should surpass Moon's total easily in 07' barring injury.

5) 291 Career Passing TD's (313 Total including rushing)....Drew is at 244 right now and has never been a passing TD machine. He will at the very least match Moon's total. He's 47 away right now.

6) 9 probowls....beats Drew in this category, but we all know the pro bowl is nothing more than a popularity contest and pretty much meaningless stat.....Mike Vick anybody?

7) 6823 Attempts with 3988 Completions....Studsoe is right behind him in both categories with 6548 attempts and 3749 completions as of TODAY.

Moon had a stellar NFL career and is rightfully deserving of this honor. But many doubters and purists thought that not having a superbowl ring would be the reason Moon wouldn't get in.....not only did he get in, he did it on the FIRST try. No matter what anybody says and even though he didn't win it as a starter.....Drew has that elusive ring on his finger.

Also keep in mind right now Drew is 7th on the all time passer list, and he's primed to pass Testeverde and Tarketon next season. Assuming Brett Favre retires this offseason, Bledstudsoe may even end up #2 all time behind Marino.....and yes I believe he has an OUTSIDE chance of catching Marino if he plays well into his late 30's. But honestly who cares about that if he can win a title or two and ride of into the sunset.

So what do you Bledsoe Bashers have to say now? Especially knowing the HOF caters to the QB position more than anything else? Still want to debate Drew's alleged mediorce career? Or would you like to debate whether he goes into the hall as a Patriot, Bill or Cowboy?

again for the totally brain dead among you

Bledsoe career attempts 6548
Vinny career attempts 6526

Bled career comp 3749
VT 3691

Bled % 57.3
VT 56.6

Bled yrds 43447
VT 45252

bled ypa 6.64
VT 6.93

They are the same guy do you put Vinny in also

you want more

TD's

Bled 244
VT 269

Sacks/yrds lost

Bled 451/3028
VT 408/2946

Fumb/lost

Bled 120/48
VT 114/33

Vinny crushes him just about everywhere and Bledsoe threw more times... I swear some of you guys need to get off your knees and close your mouth and wipe your chin...this is getting ridiculous...

VT stats

Bled stats

 

[5 Super Bowls]

again for the totally brain dead among you

Bledsoe career attempts 6548
Vinny career attempts 6526

Bled career comp 3749
VT 3691

Bled % 57.3
VT 56.6

Bled yrds 43447
VT 45252

bled ypa 6.64
VT 6.93

They are the same guy do you put Vinny in also

you want more

TD's

Bled 244
VT 269

Sacks/yrds lost

Bled 451/3028
VT 408/2946

Fumb/lost

Bled 120/48
VT 114/33

Vinny crushes him just about everywhere and Bledsoe threw more times... I swear some of you guys need to get off your knees and close your mouth and wipe your chin...this is getting ridiculous...

VT stats

Bled stats

The same should be said about Moon. He shouldn't be in the hall either.

 

[5Stars]

Man, I've never read so much hatred for a Cowboy QB in a long time!

Now I understand what Parcells meant about "losing the player", because if Henson or Romo would have played this past season, most of this board would be heading to Dallas with Tar and Feathers looking for one or both of those guys!!

I'm not a Bledsoe lover or hater, but, sheesh, what else, or who else can we get to pacify the Bledsoe hater fans?

 

[5 Super Bowls]

Man, I've never read so much hatred for a Cowboy QB in a long time!

Now I understand what Parcells meant about "losing the player", because if Henson or Romo would have played this past season, most of this board would be heading to Dallas with Tar and Feathers looking for one or both of those guys!!

I'm not a Bledsoe lover or hater, but, sheesh, what else, or who else can we get to pacify the Bledsoe hater fans?

I don't think Bledsoe is a hall of famer, but that doesn't mean I don't think Parcells can win the big one with him on the roster. He won with freaking Hostetler at the QB. I still don't think he will get it done before he leaves, but we will see. I don't think we could get a better QB than Bledsoe in free agency or the draft. We are pretty much stuck with Bledsoe. So lets focus on getting a great OLine. I still think Bledsoe is a great QB when he is protected, the only problem is he has to be protected or he is not good at all.

 

[5Stars]

I don't think Bledsoe is a hall of famer, but that doesn't mean I don't think Parcells can win the big one with him on the roster. He won with freaking Hostetler at the QB. I still don't think he will get it done before he leaves, but we will see. I don't think we could get a better QB than Bledsoe in free agency or the draft. We are pretty much stuck with Bledsoe. So lets focus on getting a great OLine. I still think Bledsoe is a great QB when he is protected, the only problem is he has to be protected or he is not good at all.

Very well said, I must say!

 

[Zaxor]

Man, I've never read so much hatred for a Cowboy QB in a long time!

Now I understand what Parcells meant about "losing the player", because if Henson or Romo would have played this past season, most of this board would be heading to Dallas with Tar and Feathers looking for one or both of those guys!!

I'm not a Bledsoe lover or hater, but, sheesh, what else, or who else can we get to pacify the Bledsoe hater fans?

Wow, who is a Bledsoe hater...I read every one of these posts and did not see a one...I think you may be due for a eye test...

 

[5Stars]

Wow, who is a Bledsoe hater...I read every one of these posts and did not see a one...I think you may be due for a eye test...

If you can't see the implications...perhaps you need a mental test!