Is Bledsoe losing credibility with team mates???

[2much2soon]

You'll waste your QB of the future if you put him out there with bad O-line play.

Just like Aikman in Dallas, Steve Young in Tampa Bay, Jim Plunkett in New England.

 

[Doomsday101]

Just like Aikman in Dallas, Steve Young in Tampa Bay, Jim Plunkett in New England.

3 #1 draft choices great selection. However Plunkett was a bust in NE and did nothing until he joined the raiders. Young did nothing in Tampa and sat behind one of the tops in SF before making a name for himself.

 

[2much2soon]

3 #1 draft choices great selection. However Plunkett was a bust in NE and did nothing until he joined the raiders. Young did nothing in Tampa and sat behind one of the tops in SF before making a name for himself.

I don't think I made my point very clear.
Those guys all played behind terrible lines early on and still overcame that in their careers. It didn't "ruin" them.
Sure, I cherry picked some names, but you can cherry pick all the names you want of guys that played behind bad lines and didn't make it. And I'll just argue those guys wouldn't of made it under any circumstances.
The point is, a guy thats gonna make it the NFL is going to make it. Whether he plays behind a good line or not.
Saying you are trying to protect guys is a cop out. Especially for a guy like Parcells who prides himself on having tough guys on his roster.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

You know what else is so funny about these discussions...is that I don't think our oline is all that bad. Yes they played a bad game last week, but did a pretty solid job in the first three. Even against the Jags who have beasts as their front four...did a decent job considering who they were playing.

Bledsoe is part of the reason why many think they are so bad...put Bledsoe in Indy and all of sudden their oline would suck...would that be a coincidence???

 

[Vtwin]

I'm certainly not dismissing the fact that the oline needs to improve greatly on last week...that's a known given.

On the same token...Drew is not making them look good in any way shapr or form.

His pick in the endzone...he had NO pressure.
His pick where he should have hit TO in the endzone, but under threw...he had NO pressure.

So basically for two of his INT's there was total protection for him...

We can blame the oline for a lot, but when he was given the time...he blew it big time!

Exactly!Not trying to put it all on DB but, he seems to need a higher level of protection then other QB's. There were a number of plays where it is obvious DB is reacting to "pressure" that is not really there. I know there were also a number of plays that the O-line failed miserably but the QB still has to hand in there and not assume the worst is going to happen.Easy for me to say huh? lol

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think I made my point very clear.
Those guys all played behind terrible lines early on and still overcame that in their careers. It didn't "ruin" them.
Sure, I cherry picked some names, but you can cherry pick all the names you want of guys that played behind bad lines and didn't make it. And I'll just argue those guys wouldn't of made it under any circumstances.
The point is, a guy thats gonna make it the NFL is going to make it. Whether he plays behind a good line or not.
Saying you are trying to protect guys is a cop out. Especially for a guy like Parcells who prides himself on having tough guys on his roster.

True but many coaches do not like to throw guys out there before they feel they are ready and they will go with the vet QB. I think as a HC you look at the individual your dealing with not what some other players did in the past. There is no 1 size fits all. I know people want Romo I trust that Parcells will go by what he knows and sees

 

[Stautner]

You know what else is so funny about these discussions...is that I don't think our oline is all that bad. Yes they played a bad game last week, but did a pretty solid job in the first three. Even against the Jags who have beasts as their front four...did a decent job considering who they were playing.

Bledsoe is part of the reason why many think they are so bad...put Bledsoe in Indy and all of sudden their oline would suck...would that be a coincidence???

I personally agree - at least to a point. The O-line did play poorly, but realistically the only individual on the line that has been consistently bad this year is Flozell. The O-line is certainly better than I expected they would be.

And Bledsoe does have to bear some of the blame. He should and could have thrown the ball away a few time rather than take a sack, and his lack of mobilbity and pocket awareness contributed to his arm being hit a couple of times.

That's not to say the line is blameless - they certainly didn't make it easy on Bledsoe. But we could have survived the onslaught had the QB made some quicker decisions and better reads.

 

[Doomsday101]

I personally agree - at least to a point. The O-line did play poorly, but realistically the only individual on the line that has been consistently bad this year is Flozell. The O-line is certainly better than I expected they would be.

And Bledsoe does have to bear some of the blame. He should and could have thrown the ball away a few time rather than take a sack, and his lack of mobilbity and pocket awareness contributed to his arm being hit a couple of times.

That's not to say the line is blameless - they certainly didn't make it easy on Bledsoe. But we could have survived the onslaught had the QB made some quicker decisions and better reads.

I agree Bledsoe at times should throw it away depending on the down. I rather him hold the ball a bit longer on 3rd down if no one is open and try to make a play than just ditch the ball. After all sack, incomplete pass still leads to you punting the ball

 

[braw]

I personally agree - at least to a point. The O-line did play poorly, but realistically the only individual on the line that has been consistently bad this year is Flozell. The O-line is certainly better than I expected they would be.

And Bledsoe does have to bear some of the blame. He should and could have thrown the ball away a few time rather than take a sack, and his lack of mobilbity and pocket awareness contributed to his arm being hit a couple of times.

That's not to say the line is blameless - they certainly didn't make it easy on Bledsoe. But we could have survived the onslaught had the QB made some quicker decisions and better reads.

Sacks and ints are part of the game. The OL gave up sacks and Bledsoe threw ints under duress.

The game came down to 1st and goal on the 6yd line. We had 4 chances to get in the endzone. Except an int for a td is thrown. The OL gave him enough time. That was the ball game. Just like last year, losing a game on missed field goals 3 times. That game was lost at the end with a chance for OT.

 

[Portland Fanatic]

I personally agree - at least to a point. The O-line did play poorly, but realistically the only individual on the line that has been consistently bad this year is Flozell. The O-line is certainly better than I expected they would be.

And Bledsoe does have to bear some of the blame. He should and could have thrown the ball away a few time rather than take a sack, and his lack of mobilbity and pocket awareness contributed to his arm being hit a couple of times.

That's not to say the line is blameless - they certainly didn't make it easy on Bledsoe. But we could have survived the onslaught had the QB made some quicker decisions and better reads.

What bothers me more then anything else he does...is allow the pocket to colapse right to his feet and never move an inch...then he tries to throw at a really high point (attempting to get it over the lineman in front of him) to complete the pass.

I don't understand for one second why he does not take a step back or to one side or the other to buy another second or get a better lane.

I watch other QB's side step or drop step time and time again to get that same pass off, but Bledsoe simply will not move...it kills me everytime.

As a result he got his arm hit several times without even moving at all.

Then the one play when he thought he was going to get sacked and basically fell forward...landed on someone and stepped forward a few steps before going down. He decided he was going down before he was touched...

This is the stuff that drives me in sane with him...:bang2: :bang2:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What bothers me more then anything else he does...is allow the pocket to colapse right to his feet and never move an inch...then he tries to throw at a really high point (attempting to get it over the lineman in front of him) to complete the pass.

I don't understand for one second why he does not take a step back or to one side or the other to buy another second or get a better lane.

I watch other QB's side step or drop step time and time again to get that same pass off, but Bledsoe simply will not move...it kills me everytime.
As a result he got his arm hit several times without even moving at all.

Then the one play when he thought he was going to get sacked and basically fell forward...landed on someone and stepped forward a few steps before going down. He decided he was going down before he was touched...

This is the stuff that drives me in sane with him...:bang2: :bang2:

Exactly.

There were many "statues" in the pocket that at least exhibited very good pocket awareness and would move a step or two in another direction to avoid the sack like--

Ken Stabler
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
Troy

Bledsoe's pocket awareness extends no further than if he recognizes if he has a pocket in his shirt or not.

 

[JMead]

Exactly.

There were many "statues" in the pocket that at least exhibited very good pocket awareness and would move a step or two in another direction to avoid the sack like--

Ken Stabler
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
Troy

Bledsoe's pocket awareness extends no further than if he recognizes if he has a pocket in his shirt or not.

What you guys fail to realize is if there is nowhere to move in the pocket then it doesnt matter. Which is what we saw most of the game. Bledsoe moved well in the pocket last year when he had one and same goes for this year. You cant expect anyone to pull a Hudini (sp?) and escape from a situation like that every other down.

 

[Ashwynn]

At what point will his teammates completely lose faith in his ability to help them win?

How long can the oline protect a statue? They have to be ALL superstars...not sure a brickwall could protect him now.

When does the team realize they can not win with him at the helm?

And after that....BP sticks with him???

When we played a sucky Dline and our Oline looked better then decent, Bledsoe looked better then decent. Watch the Oline this week-end, I think they will play good and watch Bledsoe look all pro again. Watch Glenn have 100 yards and JJ to have 100 yards. Hell 'whats his name' can even have a 100 yards, though I'd prefer to see Crayton go for 100. But the point is, if you know you have a QB that requires good protection, shouldn't that be your first and only proirity in the offseason/draft? Instead we get a head case receiver that assurbates the problem of the sucky o-line. Then we cant fire the $10 million boy, so its the QBs fault. Truth is, Peyton would look like crap behind that oline facing that same Philly blitz.

Fact is Bledsoe is not the best QB in the NFL. He is a pocket passer that when he has time is deadly, usually smart and experienced. But remember too, all QBs make mistakes from time to time. He does get rattled when hes hit often and knows the sharks smell blood in the water. So given this, why did we not build a brick wall around him? You think Romo is the answer, remember how Henson looked on thanksgiving, well Romo will make Henson seem like an all pro player. And I like Romo a lot. But be realistic.

Its not mostly Bledsoes fault, hes not blameless, in a team sport, no one should be, but he is not the sole reason or the largest reason we lost that game. If anything management, for not signing/drafting real Olinemen, should shoulder most of the blame, (given that they were comfortable with Bledsoe going into the season). Face it, our Oline sucks. But hell, we got el dorado.

 

[Rampage]

is parcells losing credibility with his players?

 

[Hostile]

Aw geez, they're back...

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Exactly.

There were many "statues" in the pocket that at least exhibited very good pocket awareness and would move a step or two in another direction to avoid the sack like--

Ken Stabler
Dan Fouts
Dan Marino
Troy

Bledsoe's pocket awareness extends no further than if he recognizes if he has a pocket in his shirt or not.

:laugh2:

 

[Portland Fanatic]

Aw geez, they're back...

You're a good guy HOS!



I'm not sure I can read as many of these posts as you do and not jump out of my skin...even my own.

 

[sbark]

Aw geez, they're back...

Thats an Archie Bunker quote from way back

 

[Hostile]

You're a good guy HOS!



I'm not sure I can read as many of these posts as you do and not jump out of my skin...even my own.

People wonder why I post so much. it's a defense mechanism against going crazy...and a very fun hobby.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Face it, our Oline sucks. But hell, we got el dorado.