Is Brady overrated?

[HoosierCowboy]

Obviously NE is not the same team they were last year, but is it all because of Brady's injury or because of other injuries and the decline of their D (age and injury)? Is Brady the greatest QB ever or just a product of a system?

 

[Hostile]

He is not over rated at all. He's one of the most efficient QBs in the game.

 

[joseephuss]

Obviously NE is not the same team they were last year, but is it all because of Brady's injury or because of other injuries and the decline of their D (age and injury)? Is Brady the greatest QB ever or just a product of a system?

The Patriots have used a couple of different systems with Brady at QB. When he first started out they used a lot of short passes and screens. Last year when they upgraded their receiving corp they threw down field a lot more. He was successful running both systems.

Who said he was the greatest ever? There is no greatest ever in my opinion. There are just too many variables to conclude that one guy was better than all the rest. There are several that are lumped together as the greatest the sport has ever seen. I put Brady in that category.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No he's not. He throws the deep ball MUCH better than Matt does. That's one of the biggest differences between this team and last years team is that Matt doesn't seem to have the ability to use Moss where he's most effective.

With the deep ball.

 

[DR.WARE]

no way is he overrated

 

[Joe Realist]

Obviously NE is not the same team they were last year, but is it all because of Brady's injury or because of other injuries and the decline of their D (age and injury)? Is Brady the greatest QB ever or just a product of a system?

stop it!!

 

[Vtwin]

Great QB who is overated by the media and casual fan. He is smart and a team first guy who can make a good team better. I don't think he can make a mediocre team good though.

His biggest flaw is that he is kind of a pansy. Get in his face and he is easily rattled. He needs things to go according to plan to have success. Rough him up a bit and make him improvise and you got him.

I'd put our own #12 or a guy like Steve Young ahead of him on the scale. Aikman wasn't the improviser either but his toughness could never be questioned and he always got up, shook it off and made the next play.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not over rated at all. Very accurate and intelligent QB who is a very good leader for his team.

 

[NOVA 22]

I have nothing against Brady but believe he is one of the more overrated players in any sport of this generation. He is the sports golden boy and people always want to annoint players to be more than they are. Belichik is proving he'd have won with a lot of different guys at QB.

 

[joseephuss]

Great QB who is overated by the media and casual fan. He is smart and a team first guy who can make a good team better. I don't think he can make a mediocre team good though.

His biggest flaw is that he is kind of a pansy. Get in his face and he is easily rattled. He needs things to go according to plan to have success. Rough him up a bit and make him improvise and you got him.

I'd put our own #12 or a guy like Steve Young ahead of him on the scale. Aikman wasn't the improviser either but his toughness could never be questioned and he always got up, shook it off and made the next play.

Why is he kind of a pansy? I don't see it.

As far as making a mediocre team good I think he has done that. He was on SB winning teams that did not have a lot of offensive stars. The wide receivers, running backs and tight ends on that 2001 team were not that notable.

 

[The Patriot]

Obviously NE is not the same team they were last year, but is it all because of Brady's injury or because of other injuries and the decline of their D (age and injury)? Is Brady the greatest QB ever or just a product of a system?

Well, if you're calling him the greatest quarterback EVER then yes he probably is overrated but that doesn't mean he's a product of a system.

 

[Vtwin]

Why is he kind of a pansy? I don't see it.

As far as making a mediocre team good I think he has done that. He was on SB winning teams that did not have a lot of offensive stars. The wide receivers, running backs and tight ends on that 2001 team were not that notable.

Those SB winning teams won with defense and by not making mistakes (and by getting some big breaks along the way). Bledsoe could have stepped in and played the same game Brady did in SB #1.

I see the Pats all the time on TV living in New England. Pansy may be a little misleading. I don't question his physical toughness but he has shown over and over that if you hit him he gets rattled and is prone to making mistakes. (which he rarely does if he is not pressured). The Eagles showed this last year and the Giants won the SB by getting him rattled and uncomfortable in the pocket. If he makes a mistake it's usually right after he got knocked down.

His one flaw is his lack of mental toughness. Fortunately for him he plays on a great team and is coached by a great staff and rarely gets knocked around so it's not front and center.

At least until the SB last year.

 

[dougonthebench]

No Brady isnt overrated at all.He is one of those rare QB's that come around every once in a while.He has all the skills and ability to be a dominant QB for many years.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't think he's overrated. Nor do I think he's just a system QB. He's good really good smart with the ball and makes the right decision when he has the ball and he can make all the throws.

 

[joseephuss]

Those SB winning teams won with defense and by not making mistakes (and by getting some big breaks along the way). Bledsoe could have stepped in and played the same game Brady did in SB #1.

I see the Pats all the time on TV living in New England. Pansy may be a little misleading. I don't question his physical toughness but he has shown over and over that if you hit him he gets rattled and is prone to making mistakes. (which he rarely does if he is not pressured). The Eagles showed this last year and the Giants won the SB by getting him rattled and uncomfortable in the pocket. If he makes a mistake it's usually right after he got knocked down.

His one flaw is his lack of mental toughness. Fortunately for him he plays on a great team and is coached by a great staff and rarely gets knocked around so it's not front and center.

At least until the SB last year.

There is no way the Pats would have won their SBs if Bledsoe was starting in those games. Bledsoe cannot play mistake free football.

Great teams can win a superbowl with just an adequate QB or even a just below average QB. We have seen it. The great QBs win the SB multiple times and make multiple deep playoff runs. Average QBs don't continue having playoff success in the league.

History has shown us that great teams can carry a QB for a deep playoff run for a single season. It doesn't happen over several seasons. The only real exception is Jim Plunkett. He was a decent QB that one more than one title. Every other QB with multiple titles and big playoff game experience were some of the games best. Trent Dilfer won a title and never sniffed a championship game appearance the rest of his career. There have been many QBs like that.

 

[JordanTaber]

An emphatic YES. He is most certainly overrated.

Is he a great QB? Yes. Is he the best QB in the NFL today? Probably.

Is he what made the Patriots offense go? Absolutely not.

Matt Cassell is absolutely horrid. He probably doesn't even belong in the NFL...there's a good reason he backed up Matt Leinart (who also obviously has no NFL future and is a complete bust) at USC. His accuracy beyond 5 yards is abysmal.

Yet he has still managed to put up more than respectable numbers (QB rating is now 87.3) in that offense.

It's not difficult to complete WR screens to Wes Welker. He has done this.

It's not difficult to complete jump balls to Randy Moss. For some reason, though, he has not been able to do this.

If he were able to do the latter, he would be posting MVP-caliber stats. Maybe slightly less impressive numbers than Brady (after all, Brady takes maximum advantage of the talent around him), but what is it really saying to say that Brady is better than Cassell?

QB is an important position only in that it allows the offense to run at or near maximum potential when the QB is solid. Quarterbacks can hold back an offense, but they aren't the driving force in what makes an offense good. You can take the best QB of all-time (I'll say Brett Favre from 1995-1997) and put him in a mediocre system with a mediocre offensive coordinator/play caller with a mediocre supporting cast, and he won't do much better than, well, mediocre.

Even with the best QBs, it's extremely rare that you see them "throw somebody open."

 

[DallasGirl50]

I can't believe anybody would think Tom Brady is overrated when you look at the overall crappiness of NFL QB's these days.

All the guy does is win. And championships at that.

 

[gazmc_06]

An emphatic YES. He is most certainly overrated.

Is he a great QB? Yes. Is he the best QB in the NFL today? Probably.

Is he what made the Patriots offense go? Absolutely not.

Matt Cassell is absolutely horrid. He probably doesn't even belong in the NFL...there's a good reason he backed up Matt Leinart (who also obviously has no NFL future and is a complete bust) at USC. His accuracy beyond 5 yards is abysmal.

Yet he has still managed to put up more than respectable numbers (QB rating is now 87.3) in that offense.

It's not difficult to complete WR screens to Wes Welker. He has done this.

It's not difficult to complete jump balls to Randy Moss. For some reason, though, he has not been able to do this.

If he were able to do the latter, he would be posting MVP-caliber stats. Maybe slightly less impressive numbers than Brady (after all, Brady takes maximum advantage of the talent around him), but what is it really saying to say that Brady is better than Cassell?

QB is an important position only in that it allows the offense to run at or near maximum potential when the QB is solid. Quarterbacks can hold back an offense, but they aren't the driving force in what makes an offense good. You can take the best QB of all-time (I'll say Brett Favre from 1995-1997) and put him in a mediocre system with a mediocre offensive coordinator/play caller with a mediocre supporting cast, and he won't do much better than, well, mediocre.

Even with the best QBs, it's extremely rare that you see them "throw somebody open."

What about Brady's superbowl victories without Moss and Welker? seriously, stop it. Brady made the offense go when he had Gaffney and Branch....no more than average recievers, oh and he won 3 superbowls with those guys.

Brady is arguably the best ever, there is no possible way Brady is over-rated.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

What about Brady's superbowl victories without Moss and Welker? seriously, stop it. Brady made the offense go when he had Gaffney and Branch....no more than average recievers, oh and he won 3 superbowls with those guys.

Brady is arguably the best ever, there is no possible way Brady is over-rated.

I wouldn't say nest ever he isn't even the best QB playing right now.

 

[The Patriot]

I wouldn't say nest ever he isn't even the best QB playing right now.

Well yeah, he's injured.