Is Brady overrated?

[JordanTaber]

What about Brady's superbowl victories without Moss and Welker? seriously, stop it. Brady made the offense go when he had Gaffney and Branch....no more than average recievers, oh and he won 3 superbowls with those guys.

Brady is arguably the best ever, there is no possible way Brady is over-rated.

Their defense carried them to their first two Super Bowl teams. You'll note that the Patriots offense was nothing special either of those years. In 2004, after having added Corey Dillion (who rushed for 1635 yards) they had an excellent offense...but it still wasn't a dominant unit like 2007 team.

And since the beginning, Brady has always been in a QB friendly scheme. Charlie Weis laid the foundation.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

He is most definitely not overrated.

 

[gazmc_06]

Their defense carried them to their first two Super Bowl teams. You'll note that the Patriots offense was nothing special either of those years. In 2004, after having added Corey Dillion (who rushed for 1635 yards) they had an excellent offense...but it still wasn't a dominant unit like 2007 team.

And since the beginning, Brady has always been in a QB friendly scheme. Charlie Weis laid the foundation.

Defence carried them? what superbowls did you watch?

Brady put up 20 points in their first SB win, including the game winning drive with a minute to go.

Second superbowl: the Pats defence gave up 29 points, Brady put up 354 yards and 3 TD passes to win the game.

Third superbowl: Brady goes 236 yards and 2 TD's and wins the game for New England.

Only the defense won those championships? I think not. As for a QB friendly scheme, he has played in different schemes since he started and shined in them all. Please stop.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

good discussion

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Well yeah, he's injured.

even healthy he isn't.....

 

[Vtwin]

There is no way the Pats would have won their SBs if Bledsoe was starting in those games. Bledsoe cannot play mistake free football.

Great teams can win a superbowl with just an adequate QB or even a just below average QB. We have seen it. The great QBs win the SB multiple times and make multiple deep playoff runs. Average QBs don't continue having playoff success in the league.

History has shown us that great teams can carry a QB for a deep playoff run for a single season. It doesn't happen over several seasons. The only real exception is Jim Plunkett. He was a decent QB that one more than one title. Every other QB with multiple titles and big playoff game experience were some of the games best. Trent Dilfer won a title and never sniffed a championship game appearance the rest of his career. There have been many QBs like that.

I respectfully disagree. Bledsoe helped that team in the playoffs and there was consideration given to starting him in the SB.

You can't compare the old NFL with the new. The fact that Dilfer even won a SB is testament to the fact that a QB can win by simply not aking mistakes. Take a look at Kurt Warner. He's a lot like Brady. Suround him with talent and he is intelligent enough and a has a good enough arm that he can light it up. Put him on an average team and he doesn't raise the level of that teams performance.

I'll offer Favre as an example of a QB who can make a mediocre team better. It would be interesting to see where the Jets would be if Pennington was still taking the snaps. Favre has them in position to fight for the division title. If you could combine Farve's skills with Brady's intelligence and attitude you would have the perfect QB.

Miami is even still in the hunt with a QB that hasn't done anything much in his career.

New England is getting it done with a QB who has barely even played at a level higher the high school.

Don't get me wrong. Brady is a very good QB. He just happens to be the perfect QB for Belicek's (sp) team. A team with a great o-line to keep Brady clean and a great D-line to get him the ball in good field position. It took the addition of arguably the hardest receiver in the league to cover deep and a great slot receiver to make defenses pay for not paying attention underneath to elevate Brady into the record setting QB he was last year.

The D-line has been responsible more for the "dynasty" then Brady.

If they could have made just one more pay in the SB last year the Pats would have won another one and Brady would have gotten all the acolades yet again.

Speaking of the SB. I'll offer Eli Manning as another average QB who is going to break the "average QB's can't go deep into the playoff's multiple times" theory. Eli has every chance to do it again all on the strength of his D-line and running game.

Unfortunately it's not the NFL of our youth anymore.

 

[Biggems]

Here is the thing.

Put Montana and Brady in Miami or Denver and see if they are anywhere near as successful as Marino and Elway(pre-Terrell Davis).

I could see Brady possibly doing a great job, cause he didn't have great WRs or RBs in his first many years. Other than Troy Brown, the rest of that group was a bunch of no name hacks. I dont like the guy at all, but I have to give him a lot of credit for 3 SBs in 4 tries. Of course, it helps when you have a coach who hooks you up with illegal game film and such for all your opponents....damn cheatriots.

Marino would have owned in the Niners system. Rice may have scored 300 TDs. The Niners have had some very nice backs and TEs to compliment their WRs over the years. Marino would have been like a kid in Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.....he would have been Augustus Klump swimming in a river of chocolate....hehehe. Also, the Niners had one helluva defense too. IMO, with Marino, the Niners would have gone to more SBs and won more in the 80s and early 90s than they did with Montana.

I think Elway could have been great in the Niners offense as well. Especially since he could react on the fly and such. He would definitely be the Steve Young type. Elway was great at improvisation.

Honestly, I do not see Montana being all that great in Denver. I could see him doing some things in Miami cause of the Marks brothers, but he still would not be as successful without some assemblance of a running game to help him out. He also would need himself a strong TE and FB. He lived off those guys.

Warren Moon is another QB who could have probably had great success with the Niners scheme, just as he did with the run and shoot. In fact, he seems to be the only NFL QB to have awesome success with that system. He was one helluva QB.

 

[Cowboys2008]

I think he is overrated and gotten just a tad bit lucky. Is he good, though? Yea. Efficient? Yea. But someone who could be on a 1-15 team and then take them to back to back Super Bowl winners in the matter of a couple years, and starting so such a quest as a rookie? Personally, I don't think so.

All in all I'd say he's this generations Terry Bradshaw. A multiple big game winner who very well could be referred to as just kinda dumb in future years and haven just gotten lucky being on a great team.

I think these Pats could have been just as well off had Bledsoe come back from that injury and reseated Tom on the bench in that offense. They chose to go with the younger guy who cost them less, though, and no fault in it for them now that the results are out.

I do however think a good question was imposed the other night during the game though. Really, seriously, what if they do end up in the Super Bowl again, and it isn't Brady at QB? Could we be seeing a replay of what happen to Bledsoe when he once upon a time went on injured reserve in that same offense with that same coach and that same team wound up in the Super Bowl?

We could be seeing the Pats land 2-3 extra #1 draft picks in the near future. Something I would not put past Little Bill if the opportunity arose.

 

[NOVA 22]

No Brady isnt overrated at all.He is one of those rare QB's that come around every once in a while.He has all the skills and ability to be a dominant QB for many years.

Could not disagree more. Hard working guy who did well for himself, but his success is wrapped up in the Pats Super Bowls (which they won each by 3 points) and those were much more dependent of Belichick's unbelievable strategic coaching. HE is the best coach of all time.

 

[The Patriot]

even healthy he isn't.....

If you are arguing for anybody else besides Peyton Manning then;

 

[Nors]

Qb's that win 3 Super Bowls in a team sport usually get overated. Just as greater QB's that never win a SB get underated.

 

[Rampage]

If you are arguing for anybody else besides Peyton Manning then;

Peyton is overrated. he chokes all the time in the playoffs. the year they won the superbowl both KC and the Ravens picked him off atleast 2 times. the Colt defense carried them to win the superbowl in 06.

 

[DT101]

Great QB who is overated by the media and casual fan. He is smart and a team first guy who can make a good team better. I don't think he can make a mediocre team good though.

His biggest flaw is that he is kind of a pansy. Get in his face and he is easily rattled. He needs things to go according to plan to have success. Rough him up a bit and make him improvise and you got him.

I'd put our own #12 or a guy like Steve Young ahead of him on the scale. Aikman wasn't the improviser either but his toughness could never be questioned and he always got up, shook it off and made the next play.

This is exactly what I think. Great QB but I dont think he should be even considered for greatest QB ever

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Peyton is overrated. he chokes all the time in the playoffs. the year they won the superbowl both KC and the Ravens picked him off atleast 2 times. the Colt defense carried them to win the superbowl in 06.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Bellicheat, for all the praise he gets, I think is underrated. The guy can coach through injuries like crazy.

Imagine that.

 

[jimmy40]

And since the beginning, Brady has always been in a QB friendly scheme. Charlie Weis laid the foundation.

Yes, Weis has proven himself to be an offensive minded genius. What was the QB friendly scheme? Brady buying time in the pocket waiting for a receiver to get open?

 

[jimmy40]

I think he is overrated and gotten just a tad bit lucky. Is he good, though? Yea. Efficient? Yea. But someone who could be on a 1-15 team and then take them to back to back Super Bowl winners in the matter of a couple years, and starting so such a quest as a rookie? Personally, I don't think so.

All in all I'd say he's this generations Terry Bradshaw. A multiple big game winner who very well could be referred to as just kinda dumb in future years and haven just gotten lucky being on a great team.

I think these Pats could have been just as well off had Bledsoe come back from that injury and reseated Tom on the bench in that offense. They chose to go with the younger guy who cost them less, though, and no fault in it for them now that the results are out.

I do however think a good question was imposed the other night during the game though. Really, seriously, what if they do end up in the Super Bowl again, and it isn't Brady at QB? Could we be seeing a replay of what happen to Bledsoe when he once upon a time went on injured reserve in that same offense with that same coach and that same team wound up in the Super Bowl?

We could be seeing the Pats land 2-3 extra #1 draft picks in the near future. Something I would not put past Little Bill if the opportunity arose.

It's amazing that every paragraph you wrote is wrong.

 

[Cochese]

Brady is legend. Just look at all the coaches that came from NE, they cant do **** without Bradys play.

 

[Cochese]

What was the QB friendly scheme?

Knowing the defensive play calls. Brady is still great though, he still has a very high level of play while ND nation is slowing realizing they hired a fraud.

 

[jimmy40]

Knowing the defensive play calls.

50 TDs last year put that to rest.