Is Cowher that good ...

[WV Cowboy]

You're probably right but I think Shottenheimer is more of a, well, choke artist.

Cowher came thiiiiiiis close to beating a Cowboy team in a super bowl where he was outclassed.

Outclassed, true, but was he outcoached ? Remember it was Switzer.

I was sweating that game, until O'Donnell turned into Santa Claus.

 

[Doomsday101]

most nfl teams are very happy if they can compete for a playoff spot each year.here it's super bowl or bust

I think every team wants to win the SB but there is something to be said about consistently winning. Landry got 2 SB wins but was also recognized as a coach who constantly was getting his team to post season. Myself I have never falling into the trap of thinking SB or bust when it comes to the Cowboys I think a lot has to do with realistic goals based on the talent of a team and experience of a team. Dallas 1st trip to the playoffs in the 90's was a great season even though we did not make it to the SB because the team went beyond what was realistically expected from them.

 

[Juke99]

Outclassed, true, but was he outcoached ? Remember it was Switzer.

I was sweating that game, until O'Donnell turned into Santa Claus.

I guess I was trying to say that Shottenheimer gets less out of his guys in the big games....and it's been that case with him and different teams.

Cowher actually made a run at a better team when they played the Cowboys...

 

[Paniolo22]

Sorry. No fairsies on this logic.

Ya can't say if you "take away". They did it. They deserve the credit for it.

Where would Jimmy have been if you took away the Hershcel Walker heist?

Where would SF have been if they didn't select Montana in the THIRD round?

We can go on and on with "if".

Ok. I agree, but how much of "luck" makes you a good coach? The same geniuses that picked BR also picked Kordell to lead their team. The only reason BR was even starting was because Maddox got hurt, but BR wasn't even being mentioned as COMPETING with Maddox up to that point. The same goes with Brady. If Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, I would bet $10000000 that Brady would not have touched the field. They walked right into the situation. I guess you could say if someone gives you gold, don't try and turn it into copper then you're successful, but that doesn't make you great, or even good for that matter.

 

[wileedog]

Look at the QB they have now and the draft round Cowher plucked him in. I would take Cowher over Parcells without thinking twice.

And they also went through the Kordell Stewart Era with Cowher.

Plus getting a QB with the 11th overall pick in the draft isn't exactly Brady-esque, and Ben is very well protected in that offense with a great running game and good WRs..

I like him, he's a good coach, but like everyone he's had his share of misses and down seasons too.

 

[Doomsday101]

I guess I was trying to say that Shottenheimer gets less out of his guys in the big games....and it's been that case with him and different teams.

Cowher actually made a run at a better team when they played the Cowboys...

Just think Shottenheimer came 1 yard away from getting his Browns into the SB and had Earnest Byner not fumbled at the 1 aginst Denver they would have made it. There are something even a good HC can't control.

 

[Avery]

Good coaches are hard to find. Why would they let him go?

Jerry Sloan has been with the Utah Jazz for 18 years and he hasn't won a championship. Why keep him? Because he's just a better coach then most others. Same goes for Cowher.

 

[trentmonster]

Disclaimer: I'm not sure which I hate more - Pittsburgh, ESPNs love affair with them, or Bill Cowher's Big Ugly Mug (<---BUM, get it).

Let's see here...Pittsburgh has had a gimme 6 wins a year (yes, I know the Bengals were decent THIS YEAR) every year since 1990 yet have not managed to do squat with it.

Take this year for instance: a little over a month ago the Steelers had lost 3 straight including a spanking at the hands of the Colts. Yet, all it takes for the espn talking heads to move them back to 'dangerous' status is a blowout win over Cleveland and a playoff win over (who else) a quarterback-less Bengals squad.

They are once again vastly overrated in the playoffs and will be exposed this weekend.

 

[Doomsday101]

Disclaimer: I'm not sure which I hate more - Pittsburgh, ESPNs love affair with them, or Bill Cowher's Big Ugly Mug (<---BUM, get it).

Let's see here...Pittsburgh has had a gimme 6 wins a year (yes, I know the Bengals were decent THIS YEAR) every year since 1990 yet have not managed to do squat with it.

Take this year for instance: a little over a month ago the Steelers had lost 3 straight including a spanking at the hands of the Colts. Yet, all it takes for the espn talking heads to move them back to 'dangerous' status is a blowout win over Cleveland and a playoff win over (who else) a quarterback-less Bengals squad.

They are once again vastly overrated in the playoffs and will be exposed this weekend.

You start off talking about how you hate Pitt so right off the bat your showing a bias aginst them. I'm not big fan of Pitt but Cower has done a good job for that team for a long period of time.

 

[chinch]

cowher is above average but too many HOME playoff losses to be considered anything more. for decades it was a weak division. if he was on the 'boys he'd be bashed mercilessly that is for sure.

 

[jobberone]

Yep....and the cool thing about Cowher (who btw makes me nutz) is that because he's been there so long, the Pittsburg Steelers have a personality. They have had the same type of team for years. And that is part of what the NFL is missing these days.

That's a very good point. I don't think of teams by their personalities and coaches any more. It's always just how well they are doing that year and who the players are.

Good perspective. And no I don't want anything from you and don't let it go to your head either (in my best Tuna mode).

 

[joseephuss]

Most organizations should be that patient though. Remember the old days, Landy here 30 years. Shula there for 30 years. Not every season will be a good one and a few bad players should not get the coach fired, yet it does every season. Its become a 'what have you done for me lately' league. Sad but true.

Landry and Shula were around for 30 years because they did win it all. Cowher has not. That is the difference.

Landry competed for the title 4 times in his first 14 years, two NFL championship games and 2 Superbowls, winning 1. The Cowboys showed great patience based on Landry's first 5 years, but after that he pretty much earned his longevity. Shula had similar success.

So, far Cowher has been good, but not great. I do think Pittsburgh has been patient and that is admirable. At some point in the next couple of years, they will have to make a decision on Cowher. Is he a guy that can get them to the playoffs or is he a guy who can win it all? There is a difference.

It is a 'what have you done for me lately' league and it is also a 'have you done the ultimate for me' league.

 

[jobberone]

Shula never won the SB in Miami but obviously he's a HOF coach and did win the SB elsewhere. But Miami was very patient with Shula and it's not easy to fire a living legend or cut a player who is one as well.

Teams aren't patient enough at times especially in these days of win now. I agree. The current coach in NE is an example to remind other teams to be more patient.

Dallas and it's fans need to remember the same. Parcells is a winner. My only major problem with Parcells is something he's already echoed; does he have enough vigor and energy to do it another two years or more.

Patience. Rome was not built in a day. Give Parcells another year or two and be prepared for the return to great Dallas teams.

 

[joseephuss]

Shula never won the SB in Miami but obviously he's a HOF coach and did win the SB elsewhere. But Miami was very patient with Shula and it's not easy to fire a living legend or cut a player who is one as well.

Teams aren't patient enough at times especially in these days of win now. I agree. The current coach in NE is an example to remind other teams to be more patient.

Dallas and it's fans need to remember the same. Parcells is a winner. My only major problem with Parcells is something he's already echoed; does he have enough vigor and energy to do it another two years or more.

Patience. Rome was not built in a day. Give Parcells another year or two and be prepared for the return to great Dallas teams.

Shula won two Superbowls in Miami. He won back to back Superbowls with 7 and 8. He took Miami to 5 Superbowls and took Baltimore to 1.

 

[CooterBrown]

Shula never won the SB in Miami but obviously he's a HOF coach and did win the SB elsewhere. But Miami was very patient with Shula and it's not easy to fire a living legend or cut a player who is one as well.

Teams aren't patient enough at times especially in these days of win now. I agree. The current coach in NE is an example to remind other teams to be more patient.

Dallas and it's fans need to remember the same. Parcells is a winner. My only major problem with Parcells is something he's already echoed; does he have enough vigor and energy to do it another two years or more.

Patience. Rome was not built in a day. Give Parcells another year or two and be prepared for the return to great Dallas teams.

I hate to be nit picky, but I'm gonna be; Shula did win the SB with Miami.

 

[kingwhicker]

I guess that's a different subject.

Ya know, would ya rather be good for a long time and never win the big one....or would ya rather win the big one and then go the route of the Baltimore Ravens....

Ravens, anyday. AFC North Champions windbreakers don't fetch too much on eBay.

 

[kingwhicker]

I think he's a good coach, but I also think he's alot like Marty Shottenheimer (sp?)

He can get you into the playoffs, but can't win the big one. I'm not sure he'll ever get over the hump.

Well, he's still alive this year, so who knows? this might be their year- I definitely think they will take the Colts out.

 

[joseephuss]

Well, he's still alive this year, so who knows? this might be their year- I definitely think they will take the Colts out.

Similar coaches in this game. Cowher with a 63.3% winning percentage in the regular season and 50% in the playoffs against Dungy wiht a 63.8% winning percentage in the regular season and 41.7% in the playoffs. Just for comparison sake, Landy had a 60.5% regular season wining percentage and 56.8% in the playoffs.

 

[jobberone]

Shula won two Superbowls in Miami. He won back to back Superbowls with 7 and 8. He took Miami to 5 Superbowls and took Baltimore to 1.

My bad. Of course you are right. The team that went undefeated ?72 and another. Forgive an aging early senile ole man.

 

[joseephuss]

My bad. Of course you are right. The team that went undefeated ?72 and another. Forgive an aging early senile ole man.

I would forgive you, but you will probably just forget that I did.