Is Dak the only super greedy QB in Cowboys history?

[Brax]

I had already created a thorough thread on the topic last July:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/dak...tes-according-to-the-associated-press.525500/

So, it is important to clarify (as you have done) Dak Prescott received zero first-place votes because the automatic counterargument will be he received the second most points according to votes casted. Similarly, the contention (not by you but others) that Prescott's second-most total points is significant for runner-up is, in my opinion, not really that significant for two reasons:

1. Lamar Jackson received 98% of all first-place votes and 46% of all points. No other player, including Prescott, finished remotely within his vicinity for the award. In other words, Jackson dusted all other finalists.
2. In terms of total points, there was a tight finish between second-place Prescott (152) and third-place Christian McCaffrey (147) by a super thin margin of five points.

My opinion would be different if Prescott or any other player had markedly cut into Jackson's first place votes, which accounts for the most points a player can receive. Say, for instance, 20 first-place votes, which would have been 200 points solely from top tier votes alone.

That scenario would have likely increase the margin between McCaffrey and himself also. Then Prescott would have finished as an 'undisputed' second-place finisher to Jackson, with the voting and points reflecting how voters considered Prescott's season comparative to Jackson's.

I wasn’t trying to start a war with folks just trying to clarify the 1 vote some say he received, I get the second place due to the cumulative vote and that’s fine but some never looked at the actual tally, thanks and let’s hope for a enjoyable next year

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You're already like him in your mid 30's.

By 50's you'll be some sort of AC/Whoopie Goldberg/Rosie O'Donnell mutant.

(psst... don't look now but you're posting in a thread started by AC hating on two Cowboys' QB's. You really should get control of your emotions and pay better attention, ma'am)

Sounds like women intimidate you….

 

[5Stars]

Sounds like women intimidate you….

lmao...I knew it! BAM! AC knows.

But, it's OK girls, have some fun with us men.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I hear you, and I think we agree more on a fundamental level than it would seem, its just some smaller details that are really making the back and forth. You're absolutely right about the void years, but its how those void years are being used. Daks last contract pushed money into the void years, and his $260M contract now has $290M in cap hits left to be accounted for. This puts the Cowboys in a terrible cap situation, but I agree with you that this is on the Cowboys. Other teams spend money to manipulate and free up cap space. The Cowboys manipulate the cap so they can tell their fans they cant spend any money.

I'm not even trying to blame Dak, its just Jerry/Stephen handled this the worst way possible. They couldn't make a decision if he was their guy or not, franchised him and then signed him for two four year deals. This last extension came at the worst possible time so they could avoid spending in free agency. They literally lost the negotiations in every way possible, and used Dak as an excuse to not spend additional cash.

100% agree that Jerry and stephen mishandle all of it. this team is in disarray because of them and the sad part is Jerry loves it. as long as cowboys are in the news and he is front and center, he is happy. I mean he called the disgruntled fans ********** and very small percentage.... really jerry! really!!

 

[Hadenough]

I hear you, and I think we agree more on a fundamental level than it would seem, its just some smaller details that are really making the back and forth. You're absolutely right about the void years, but its how those void years are being used. Daks last contract pushed money into the void years, and his $260M contract now has $290M in cap hits left to be accounted for. This puts the Cowboys in a terrible cap situation, but I agree with you that this is on the Cowboys. Other teams spend money to manipulate and free up cap space. The Cowboys manipulate the cap so they can tell their fans they cant spend any money.

I'm not even trying to blame Dak, its just Jerry/Stephen handled this the worst way possible. They couldn't make a decision if he was their guy or not, franchised him and then signed him for two four year deals. This last extension came at the worst possible time so they could avoid spending in free agency. They literally lost the negotiations in every way possible, and used Dak as an excuse to not spend additional cash.

Jerry has put this team in Cap hell now and there's no way he's going to go out and sell out to bring in a bunch of free agents to help DAK. He finally realizes that would be nothing but a waste of money. He's letting this thing run its course and the Cowboys are going to be bad for the next 4 years they're not going to bring in any free agents they're just going to work through the draft and maybe bring in some budget guys if that. I think it's freaking hilarious.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

lmao...I knew it! BAM! AC knows.

But, it's OK girls, have some fun with us men.

I’m in my 30s…I get what you’re trying to do…..you can’t trigger me by calling me a female. It’s not 1940 anymore.

 

[Wildcat711]

Nope didn’t even get 1 vote, but the OP is the world’s biggest Romo hater. He beats Pappy hands down in the hate a QB club

You are probably right.. but the "Trance" guy is up there too

 

[Jarv]

Romo aint better than Dak. Just stop. Dak has more win and similar or better stats than Romo. And Dak was runner up in MVP voting something Romo wasn’t even close to doing.

Wrong:
In 2023 Slak was 3rd runner-up in MVP (1 1st place vote) voting behind Lamar and Josh Allen.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-2023-win-mvp-lamar-jackson-brock-purdy-stats

In 2014 Romo was 4th runner-up in MVP (2 1st place vote)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/awards_2014.htm

So actually in the 2 years Cowboys QBs were in the MVP race, 2014 and 2023 Romo actually got more 1st place MVP votes (2) than Slak at (1).

 

[CowboyFrog]

Everytime we get 40 pages of people trying to explain which QB lost in the playoffs better...maybe we are the dumbest fanbase....

 

[Diehardblues]

While I dont believe Prescott is worth the highest paid contract I would argue it’s well within his rights to negotiate the best deal for himself .

It’s not his responsibility to take less for the teams benefit which are no guarantees the organization will maximize efforts to build a better team around him.

And even assuming they could or would how much less should he take . Would it be worth 10, 20 million less a year to have an opportunity to play in a championship game or Super Bowl? I don’t think so.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Wrong:
In 2023 Slak was 3rd runner-up in MVP (1 1st place vote) voting behind Lamar and Josh Allen.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...-2023-win-mvp-lamar-jackson-brock-purdy-stats

In 2014 Romo was 4th runner-up in MVP (2 1st place vote)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/awards_2014.htm

So actually in the 2 years Cowboys QBs were in the MVP race, 2014 and 2023 Romo actually got more 1st place MVP votes (2) than Slak at (1).

You are wrong.

Dak came in 2nd place in MVP voting in 2023.

NFL MVP​

Voting results for the 2023 NFL MVP award, as selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of media. Voting is on a 10-5-3-2-1 basis.

	Votes	Points
Lamar Jackson, Ravens	49-0-1-0-0	493
Dak Prescott, Cowboys	0-17-13-11-6	152
Christian McCaffrey, 49ers	0-17-12-11-4	147
Brock Purdy, 49ers	0-9-5-12-13	97
Josh Allen, Bills	1-5-11-3-6	80
Tyreek Hill, Dolphins	0-2-6-9-14	60
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs	0-0-2-2-2	12
Matthew Stafford, Rams	0-0-0-2-0	4
C.J. Stroud, Texans	0-0-0-0-4	4
Myles Garrett, Browns	0-0-0-0-1	1

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39488311/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-wins-2nd-career-nfl-mvp-award

 

[gtb1943]

You are wrong.

Dak came in 2nd place in MVP voting in 2023.

NFL MVP​

Voting results for the 2023 NFL MVP award, as selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of media. Voting is on a 10-5-3-2-1 basis.

	Votes	Points
Lamar Jackson, Ravens	49-0-1-0-0	493
Dak Prescott, Cowboys	0-17-13-11-6	152
Christian McCaffrey, 49ers	0-17-12-11-4	147
Brock Purdy, 49ers	0-9-5-12-13	97
Josh Allen, Bills	1-5-11-3-6	80
Tyreek Hill, Dolphins	0-2-6-9-14	60
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs	0-0-2-2-2	12
Matthew Stafford, Rams	0-0-0-2-0	4
C.J. Stroud, Texans	0-0-0-0-4	4
Myles Garrett, Browns	0-0-0-0-1	1

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39488311/ravens-qb-lamar-jackson-wins-2nd-career-nfl-mvp-award

Dak got shut out 49-0
your god is not great

 

[GINeric]

What's ironic is you using the decision made by the worst GM in the league as some sort of validation.

That's ironic.

Whats also ironic.... thats the same GM in the league who made the best choices before that resulted in 3 Superbowl rings. That's the same GM you're talking about, correct?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak got shut out 49-0
your god is not great

Grow up.

 

[Diehardblues]

Whats also ironic.... thats the same GM in the league who made the best choices before that resulted in 3 Superbowl rings. That's the same GM you're talking about, correct?

No, it’s the same owner not the same GM.

Jimmy was in total charge of football operations back then. Jethro didn’t take over the role he currently holds as GM until then.

 

[Diehardblues]

Everytime we get 40 pages of people trying to explain which QB lost in the playoffs better...maybe we are the dumbest fanbase....

Apparently the QB is the one or main player many fans get attached to. And become emotional when attempting to have critical thoughts and or discussions about.

In a forum setting as such everyone is fair game for personal attacks but the fans posting them. Something many fans lose face of or deliberately ignore and isn’t enforced enough.

 

[NotForLong]

Romo aint better than Dak. Just stop. Dak has more win and similar or better stats than Romo. And Dak was runner up in MVP voting something Romo wasn’t even close to doing.

Insert Vomit Emoji here

 

[NotForLong]

As many as Dak. Please note, I find it pitiful for people to think that runner up to MVP is some kind of badge of honor that should be sewn onto Dak. You talking about an award that has no second place. It's like the only one who cares about runner up to a spelling bee is someone's Parent. The only one who cares about "runner up" to MVP are those who are labeled as Daksters. The people who live vicariously through him.

The 3 most annoying aspects of this team in order
1. Daksters
2. Jerry Jones
3. Dak

 

[GINeric]

No, it’s the same owner not the same GM.

Jimmy was in total charge of football operations back then. Jethro didn’t take over the role he currently holds as GM until then.

Well guess who the owner who made the decision to even hire Jimmy was.... thats right, Jerry!!

And from where I sit, it appears that Jerry AND Jimmy were responsible for those Superbowl wins. People like to give Jimmy ALL the credit. Thats not the case.

Jimmy definitely was one of the best to do it, but he didn't win anything else (in Miami) without Jerry and vice versa.

 

[Wildcat711]

Well guess who the owner who made the decision to even hire Jimmy was.... thats right, Jerry!!

And from where I sit, it appears that Jerry AND Jimmy were responsible for those Superbowl wins. People like to give Jimmy ALL the credit. Thats not the case.

Jimmy definitely was one of the best to do it, but he didn't win anything else (in Miami) without Jerry and vice versa.

All Jerry did was throw cash at stuff Jimmy wanted him to.

Once the Cap came in he has been absolutely hopeless.