Is Dalton the best cowboys QB since Romo?

[IceStar-D7]

Maybe this thread should be more appropriate for after this Sunday. Red Ryder goes out there and stinks it up Hell has no fury then Dallas fans being cheated out their Dallas playoff spot by their own quarterback. Hope Andy sets new records against the Giant's. But I sure in the hell wouldn't guarantee it......

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I should say he puts the ball in a better place for the WR's. 2020 stats say Dak had a 68% completion percentage to Daltons 65%.

And of course you have catches like the Lamb twisting catch this year, that was an awful pass, it was a catch due solely to Lamb's athleticism. Or passes right in someone's hands, a catch anybody on this site could make 9 times out of 10, that the receiver just flat drops. A 3% difference in "accuracy" is not that much, wouldn't say you can quote that and make a valid point...

 

[Dallasfann]

Dak has not asked for more money than anyone else in the league, first of all. And MOST teams win with less than elite quarterbacks. Eagles won with Foles, but is Foles "elite"?
Hardly. Was Flacco? He "won" a Super Bowl. But no he's not elite. Rodgers and Brees are widely considered elite, but each, despite many great individual seasons, have only won 1. Either could get another one this year, but Brees is very likely to be in his last year, so he can win at most 2. Aikman won 3, but there are some who say he doesn't even belong in the HOF, was he really elite? Wilson has won a SB and should have won another one, but both of those years he had the number one defense in the league.

Of course Brady has 6 rings, no doubt he's elite, that isn't debatable to any great degree. So having the elite quarterback is helpful.

It comes down do you want to get someone other than Dak to be the quarterback, taking the risk whoever you get turns out to be Brady or Wilson or Rodgers, and not Young, Leaf. Lineart or Quinn, or do you try to build a complete team around Dak and win a SB with the "bus driver" quarterback like Johnson or Dilfer?

Both approaches have worked.

You pays your money and makes your choice, and hopes like heck it works out....

Agreed with most of this. Basically, I'm in the boat that thinks we take our chances with a bus driver type QB..ALA an Andy Dalton type, draft a young guy in the first few rounds and pay for a defense. Rather then put all our money in one basket and hope the dude is good enough to win big games without much help. If Wilson, Rogers and Brees can only get one with their talents, then nothing I've seen from Dak leads me to believe he can do it without a lot more help. Mind you...Nothing I just typed says I think Dalton is a better QB then Dak.

 

[khiladi]

Let’s be real:

When did Dak even put up garbage time numbers against bad teams until last year, especially when his blocking has been average.

 

[Dallasfann]

Andy is in transition. He wanted to stay home because of Covid-19. He is worth more than he is getting payed this year and Dak, well, the market sets that number. Its really that simple.

If Dak is willing to take 30-35 million a year then screw it let's overpay slightly and take our chances. If he wants 40+ then give me Dalton every single day of the week at 20. That is my only argument I was trying to make.

 

[G2]

Let’s be real:

When did Dak even put up garbage time numbers against bad teams until last year, especially when his blocking has been average.

Waiting for you to be real.......................................................................

 

[khiladi]

Dak couldn’t even put up double digits against the winning teams he played when Zeke was suspended for six games and he struggled against three of the worst teams in the NFL in Commanders, Giants and Raiders...

without Cooper, Dak basically tied Quincy Carter for Dallas records of futility.

Last year, they went like five quarters without scoring a TD when Dak was supposedly lighting it up. So great was this offense, he threw all his teammates under the bus for not practicing hard, outside himself, Zeke and Witten as the reason they were struggling.

HE still had Frederick, Martin and Smith as well as Collins the majority of time playing these games.

This guy puts up some numbers the last two years while being down thirty in games that were over and completely folded in the last four minutes of games, below league average for QBs, and they think this guy is a top 10 QB?

Please...

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Agreed with most of this. Basically, I'm in the boat that thinks we take our chances with a bus driver type QB..ALA an Andy Dalton type, draft a young guy in the first few rounds and pay for a defense. Rather then put all our money in one basket and hope the dude is good enough to win big games without much help. If Wilson, Rogers and Brees can only get one with their talents, then nothing I've seen from Dak leads me to believe he can do it without a lot more help. Mind you...Nothing I just typed says I think Dalton is a better QB then Dak.

Really to me they're about the same, neither is head and shoulders better than the other. It's more a matter of age and record. Many people here griped and groaned and demanded Garrett go after even 7 or 8 years as head coach, the "he's had long enough" crowd (which as far as that that particular comment goes was/are one of them).
But now they want a quarterback that had 9 years as starter but never won a playoff game to take over for Dak? Based on 3 games? Or based on Dak's 4 years with no SBs?

Advantage Dak, imho...

 

[Winonesoon]

If Dak is willing to take 30-35 million a year then screw it let's overpay slightly and take our chances. If he wants 40+ then give me Dalton every single day of the week at 20. That is my only argument I was trying to make.

I get it but, its not your money. I understand saving money for the cap and fitting players within. However, with Dalton you have no shot at why we follow and watch this game.

 

[khiladi]

I mean on what planet does one argue Dak’s ceiling is higher, if Dalton took his team to the playoffs the first four years in a row in a much tougher division?

If anything, Dalton’s trajectory proves that Dak is going to struggle even more, now that the OL is in question and our RG is on a downward trend. Dak walked into the perfect situation and struggled for years, holding this offense back. Dak in year 4 and can’t even beat the Eagles to win the division with the talent up front.

 

[khiladi]

I should say he puts the ball in a better place for the WR's. 2020 stats say Dak had a 68% completion percentage to Daltons 65%.

Not when the game is close, meaning actually relevant. Andy is throwing the ball at a clip of 74%, has 5 TDs and 1 INT when the game is between 1 and 8 points, and has thrown around 10 less attempts, while Dak is somewhere in the 60 percentile, has 4 TDs and 3 INTs. When it’s in the last four minutes, Dak goes into a complete shell and doesn’t take any risks.

Dak against zone the year Cooper came, had a high completion rate, but 2 INt and no TDs.

Despite this massive jump in production against man defense, Prescott has not had nearly as much success against a zone defense and his IQR has dropped from 100 to 84 with Cooper on the roster. Though he has an 80 percent completion percentage versus zones, it’s almost entirely short-pass based. He has no touchdowns and two interceptions on 91 attempts.

https://sportsinfosolutionsblog.com...-amari-cooper-face-challenge-with-colts-zone/

That game against the Colts, when they shifted help to the side of Cooper, Dak posted 0 points. Dak is a paper-Tiger.

Andy Dalton had no problems shredding an Eagles secondary that played heavy man once his OL got a little bit consistent.

 

[Vandyr]

It's not even close to "similar results." It took Dalton twice as many games to post the same production. It's not even debatable.
And as far as salary worth, I wouldn't trust anyone who uses that as a reason not to have a better QB.

The results are very similar, I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Are you still harping on passing yards? Once again, Jameis Winston lead the league in passing yards last year, which did not translate to wins or post season play, it's meaningless. Dak was 1-3 when he got hurt, with a better O line than Dalton has now. Last year, Dak had a ridiculous O line and couldn't get anything done. He was 8-8, same w/l ratio that Dalton has right now.

 

[G2]

The results are very similar, I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Are you still harping on passing yards? Once again, Jameis Winston lead the league in passing yards last year, which did not translate to wins or post season play, it's meaningless. Dak was 1-3 when he got hurt, with a better O line than Dalton has now. Last year, Dak had a ridiculous O line and couldn't get anything done. He was 8-8, same w/l ratio that Dalton has right now.

Dalton needed twice the games! You keep using Winston like it's even relevant. Wins and losses are a team stat. It's incredibly ignorant to keep using them as a point.
You don't even get that you don't get it.

 

[Dallasfann]

I get it but, its not your money. I understand saving money for the cap and fitting players within. However, with Dalton you have no shot at why we follow and watch this game.

I disagree with Dalton has no shot at a SB and Dak does. I think that's all opinion oriented. Not my money, of course it's not, but does the money we pay someone effect how much we can pay another guy we need and in such effect my teams chances of succeeding..yes...yes it does. Quite a bit actually.

 

[SpaceCowboy99]

Laugh... So.... Hard... That some of you think he is a top 10QB. Lol. He is 11-15 and will remain there for the rest of his career. His major problem is consistent accuracy. He can make a bee line throw one play then severely underthrow someone the next.

It's the same issues he has had since college. They even have a video of him and another QB in a throw off competition and he can't even hit the targets.

Top 10 QBs I would rather have running this team if we were in the Superbowl and I could pick any QB playing right now.

Not in any order but this is the ones I would pick over Dak to help me win a SB game right now.

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Brees
Wilson
Rothelisberger
Tannehill
Allen
Jackson
Watson
Stafford
Rivers
Ryan

 

[G2]

I disagree with Dalton has no shot at a SB and Dak does. I think that's all opinion oriented. Not my money, of course it's not, but does the money we pay someone effect how much we can pay another guy we need and in such effect my teams chances of succeeding..yes...yes it does. Quite a bit actually.

What other guy? A hypothetical some keep chirping is going to be a real difference maker? Who's is this unicorn?

 

[khiladi]

For all these guys talking about Dalton winning against bad competition and Dak is more accurate:

And look at his release, even though he has plenty of time. He basically throws it with his arm, not his hips. He does this way too much, which is one of the reasons he is late delivering the ball.

Then you have his ansy footwork, with his WR wide open. Again, he throws it behind. This is the same type of throw where he called Dez out, saying maybe he needed to throw it at his helmet. And then Dak proceeds to overthrow a wide open Zeke on a dump off for a pick 6.



https://footballfilmroom.com/2020/08/05/why-dak-prescott-isnt-elite/

 

[Winonesoon]

I disagree with Dalton has no shot at a SB and Dak does. I think that's all opinion oriented. Not my money, of course it's not, but does the money we pay someone effect how much we can pay another guy we need and in such effect my teams chances of succeeding..yes...yes it does. Quite a bit actually.

I said that as well.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I'm surprised this obvious troll thread got to 6 pages. Haven't people learned to take this type of crap for what it is by now?

 

[G2]

Laugh... So.... Hard... That some of you think he is a top 10QB. Lol. He is 11-15 and will remain there for the rest of his career. His major problem is consistent accuracy. He can make a bee line throw one play then severely underthrow someone the next.

It's the same issues he has had since college. They even have a video of him and another QB in a throw off competition and he can't even hit the targets.

Top 10 QBs I would rather have running this team if we were in the Superbowl and I could pick any QB playing right now.

Not in any order but this is the ones I would pick over Dak to help me win a SB game right now.

Rodgers
Mahomes
Brady
Brees
Wilson
Rothelisberger
Tannehill
Allen
Jackson
Watson
Stafford
Rivers
Ryan

Your list is kind of funny, but in a sad "I feel sorry for you" kind of way. Especially when you copy and paste it in multiple threads. Yikes!