Is everyone forgetting about Hardy and Lawrence?

[Bay10]

Ap missed the whole year.

 

[AzorAhai]

Ap missed the whole year.

So did Hardy, but that's because he was on the exempt list. He still got paid so it wasn't considered a suspension. They then tried to suspend him longer than the old policy called for and he sued, and won. Its likely to be the same results if Hardy sues.

 

[Bay10]

So did Hardy, but that's because he was on the exempt list. He still got paid so it wasn't considered a suspension. They then tried to suspend him longer than the old policy called for and he sued, and won. Its likely to be the same results if Hardy sues.

Ok bro I hope you are right.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't mind the pick. People are upset about passing over Gregory and Brown but I think there are guys who will be available in the next 2-3 rounds who have similar skill sets. Frank Clark would be a 1st rounder if not for major character concerns. Gregory hasn't been drafted yet due to major character concerns. Plus, Clark is big enough to play DE. And then you have guys like Grady Jarrett who will be just as good at DT as Brown and possibly a better fit in our defense. I'm not upset about the Jones pick. I like that he's big and can even play FS. I would have preferred trading back to get an extra pick and taking a guy like Rollins in the 2nd, but I don't mind the Jones pick. I just hope we make some good picks tomorrow. Day 2 was the day I was looking forward to the most anyway. A lot of talent still on the board.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

IMO, Hardy was always a rental. At worst we were hoping for a 12-14 game rental and then a rookie or someone else would be in line to start next year if we couldn't retain Hardy. As of now he's here for 6 regular season games. Pass rush is a cause for concern. Teams have shown in the past that you can literally have JAG's in the secondary with a solid to dominant defensive line.

The defense line will get beter by default just for Tyrone to get another year where he's healthy as will Demarcus Lawrence. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be upgraded. It should. You can win in this league with our secondary and linebackers. IC an't say the same for our defensive linemen.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

IMO, Hardy was always a rental. At worst we were hoping for a 12-14 game rental and then a rookie or someone else would be in line to start next year if we couldn't retain Hardy. As of now he's here for 6 regular season games. Pass rush is a cause for concern. Teams have shown in the past that you can literally have JAG's in the secondary with a solid to dominant defensive line.

The defense line will get beter by default just for Tyrone to get another year where he's healthy as will Demarcus Lawrence. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be upgraded. It should. You can win in this league with our secondary and linebackers. IC an't say the same for our defensive linemen.

You can win with our secondary?.......what secondary, Claiborne is still hurt, Scandrick is holding out and Carr status is up in the air. We have Patmon right now.

Please explain this secondary we have

 

[big dog cowboy]

Hardy is gone for ten games and not likely to resign after this year.

That couldn't be more wrong. On both parts.

 

[Bay10]

That couldn't be more wrong. On both parts.

I just don't believe it is.

 

[theogt]

Hardy, Lee, Bryon Jones. Just essentially added 2 pro bowlers and a 1st round elite corner to the defense. Have to imagine that counts for something on the W/L columns.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Hardy, Lee, Bryon Jones. Just essentially added 2 pro bowlers and a 1st round elite corner to the defense. Have to imagine that counts for something on the W/L columns.

As constructed our defense has the same weakness that they had last year.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You can win with our secondary?.......what secondary, Claiborne is still hurt, Scandrick is holding out and Carr status is up in the air. We have Patmon right now.

Please explain this secondary we have

This is all assuming that Carr, Claiborne and Scandrick will be coming back. I've see. Worse secondaries field for solid defenses is all I'm saying. I actually like the Jones pick. I just don't agree that the defensive line is fine.

 

[theogt]

As constructed our defense has the same weakness that they had last year.

Really? Because the two biggest weaknesses (corner/DE) were filled this offseason. And the third or fourth biggest holes (DT/safety) may be filled tomorrow night. Not to mention our LB corps is at least better on paper this year. Without a doubt, the defense *should* improve based on this offseason.

 

[AzorAhai]

This is all assuming that Carr, Claiborne and Scandrick will be coming back. I've see. Worse secondaries field for solid defenses is all I'm saying. I actually like the Jones pick. I just don't agree that the defensive line is fine.

Hardy, Lawrence in his 2nd season and Mincey should be immeasurably better than Mincey and Selvie starting with Spencer as a B/U. Add in Lee and Jones and the defense should be better.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Why wouldn't it stick? I hope it doesn't but I think it will. He will be high priced after showcasing himself a few games for Dallas. Hope I'm wrong.

Well it seems like your pretty sure that he was gone after this year. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't just made up.

 

[NickZepp]

Hardy may not play till later in the season. Maybe he only gets 6 games off. And Lawrence although he showed some promise at the end of last year is still largely unknown. I would have preferred DT help the most though. That's an area we aren't very good at right now. If we don't draft a RB I would like to see us draft Michael Bennett out of Ohio State.

 

[AzorAhai]

Hardy may not play till later in the season. Maybe he only gets 6 games off. And Lawrence although he showed some promise at the end of last year is still largely unknown. I would have preferred DT help the most though. That's an area we aren't very good at right now. If we don't draft a RB I would like to see us draft Michael Bennett out of Ohio State.

I think 1T has enough bodies to throw at it to have at least one guy be an average starter. I think we need another pass rushing DT though. Bennett, Cooper or Jarrett in the 2nd would be good fits for what we need and value.

 

[NickZepp]

I think 1T has enough bodies to throw at it to have at least one guy be an average starter. I think we need another pass rushing DT though. Bennett, Cooper or Jarrett in the 2nd would be good fits for what we need and value.

It depends on what the staff thinks we need more of. DL or RB help. I think we may need more DL help slightly. Particularly the tackle spots. Bennett is my favorite player that could realistically be available. But if they draft say Colemon at RB I wouldn't be pissed either. He's basically DeMarco Murray out of college. Maybe not as accomplished but they are exactly the same type player.

 

[AzorAhai]

It depends on what the staff thinks we need more of. DL or RB help. I think we may need more DL help slightly. Particularly the tackle spots. Bennett is my favorite player that could realistically be available. But if they draft say Colemon at RB I wouldn't be pissed either. He's basically DeMarco Murray out of college. Maybe not as accomplished but they are exactly the same type player.

They probably look at RB in the 2nd, but I could definitely see all their targets gone by 60 and going DB/DL or possibly WR if Smith or DGB are there.

 

[Alexander]

Byron is going to be a FS/DB hybrid. Remember how we've always talked about having a true FS since Woody left? He's probably the closest to it that's not a "project."

They need to decide very quick where to play him.

I would prefer he stay at CB, learn it, master it and then worry about FS after a few seasons.

If people want to keep throwing out the Devin McCourty comparison, it is not like he immediately became a Swiss Army knife.

 

[NickZepp]

If you have a very good or great DLine, your DBs suddenly look a lot better. They don't have to cover for as long and have a lot more freedom to do things.