Is firing a head coach midseason a good idea?

[RainMan]

I think the only reason he's still here is cause there wasn't really anyone better to replace him with which is pretty much the same exact thing that led us to hire him in the first place when BP left. By the time Shanahan became available the decision to stick with tubby was already made

Agreed. This, coupled with the time Jerry had to spend nursing his new stadium. Given Jerry wears each and every hat, the time consumed with that beast is an undeniable factor here IMO.

 

[Bluestang]

I think the only reason he's still here is cause there wasn't really anyone better to replace him with which is pretty much the same exact thing that led us to hire him in the first place when BP left. By the time Shanahan became available the decision to stick with tubby was already made

If Jones failed to see R. Ryan as a better option then he's an idiot.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think the only reason he's still here is cause there wasn't really anyone better to replace him with which is pretty much the same exact thing that led us to hire him in the first place when BP left. By the time Shanahan became available the decision to stick with tubby was already made

Wade is 23-11 as our head coach he's so successful we lead the league in sacks last year. I don't see the problem.

@ Rainman yeah I'm not sure Wade sucks and I've asked for his job multiple times.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

If Jones failed to see R. Ryan as a better option then he's an idiot.

J Jones an idiot? He has 3 super rings how many GM's can boast and say the same thing ?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think the only reason he's still here is cause there wasn't really anyone better to replace him with which is pretty much the same exact thing that led us to hire him in the first place when BP left. By the time Shanahan became available the decision to stick with tubby was already made

I hear ya and agree.

But after the 44-6 loss, he dumped Owens, then he should have dumped Wade and got Cowher.

I dont think he wanted to eat the Owens signing and resigning AND the signing of Wade. So he tried to band aid it and he will pay the full season for it.

I think if you dump Owens then you dump Wade and sign Cowher... thats what Cowher wanted.. Owens gone.

 

[Bluestang]

J Jones an idiot? He has 3 super rings how many GM's can boast and say the same thing ?

Ok so he is the best GM in football and it's panfully obvious that WP will get us to that 6th ring.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I hear ya and agree.

But after the 44-6 loss, he dumped Owens, then he should have dumped Wade and got Cowher.

I dont think he wanted to eat the Owens signing and resigning AND the signing of Wade. So he tried to band aid it and he will pay the full season for it.

I think if you dump Owens then you dump Wade and sign Cowher... thats what Cowher wanted.. Owens gone.

After the Ravens lost he should of dumped everyone. All the coaches. Half the players on the defense. A lot of the offensive palyers and started over.

 

[RainMan]

J Jones an idiot? He has 3 super rings how many GM's can boast and say the same thing ?

Let me counter this post with my best attempt at a logical rebuttal.

I am forever grateful for Jerry for bringing us those three titles. I agree that he isn't given enough credit by those who feverishly bash him. Hey, maybe Jimmy was the brains, but Jerry was the one that brought in the brains.

However, Jerry has owned this team for 20 years, and he can't be given a pass for the rest of eternity just because he brought us three Super Bowls at the very infancy of his career. It's no different than if he were a player. Troy Aikman won this franchise three Super Bowls, but there came a time when he had to be released because his health/ability just no longer could get it done.

Granted, Jerry's going nowhere. He won't fire himself. But at least in terms of public perception, he hasn't shown he can continue to get it done in quite some time.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

After the Ravens lost he should of dumped everyone. All the coaches. Half the players on the defense. A lot of the offensive palyers and started over.

Yeah I would have been ok with that. It just led to beatdown 44-6. You are right.

 

[jobberone]

I dont think we necessarily need a 3-4 guy as the potential new coach. We could hire a 4-3 guy and "suggest" a 3-4 as his coordinator. Creating a more versatile D

Only Ware, Spears, and Igor are tailor made for the 3-4. And all 3 could play other spots in a 4-3. Igor and Spears as DT's. With Ware, Ratliff, or Spencer as the DE's. You can do a ton of things w/ this and Rat is more dangerous

I think Jason Williams can start at OLB in a 4-3 next year as well w/ Bradie in the middle.

Possible combinations of head coach/DC? W/O bashing Wade....

We don't have a DE for the 4-3 worth a damn on the team. Ratliff isn't a DE although I think he'd be ok there. He's a better DT. Bowen and Hatcher are our only DEs. Ware's too small IMO although he'd be a great situational rusher.

We're built for the 3-4.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

We don't have a DE for the 4-3 worth a damn on the team. Ratliff isn't a DE although I think he'd be ok there. He's a better DT. Bowen and Hatcher are our only DEs. Ware's too small IMO although he'd be a great situational rusher.

We're built for the 3-4.

Yes. But Im talking about versatility. Ware-Rat-Spears-Spencer on the D-Line on occasion. With Rat as a situational DE and Spears-Igor @ DT. Guys like Rat and Ware fit in any scheme really.

Spencers also not lighting it up at OLB

A keep em guessing sort of thing.

 

[masomenos]

Actually it's that mentality that is the problem. In 08 that we the excuse well we 13-3 in 07 and blah blah blah. You can't keep looking at they year as a justification to keep him plus the lack of success in december and the playoffs is more than enough reason. With that said I don't see a bright future with Wade as the HC for the cowboys.

Really, you think 2 years is enough time to decide whether or not a coach can take us to a playoff victory?

So, after Bill Cowher went 11-5 and 9-7 and had no playoff wins in his first two years, you would have sent him away?

If Mike Holmgren came in and started his tenure in Dallas as he did in Seattle, going 9-7 and 6-10, you'd send him packing?

Is Shannahan was named the next coach and he started at 8-8 and 13-3, with no playoff wins, you'd say he couldn't get the job done?

Axeing those guys all would have been a mistake. But, but, Wade has never won a playoff game! He's been to 4 playoff games and was a "miracle play" and a Crayton drop away from having 2 notches on his belt. You really think the fact that Wade's Bills gave up the Music City Miracle is evidence that he can't win a playoff game? If you can win regular season games against quality opponents, then you can also win in the playoffs.

When quality teams face each other, there's about a 50/50 chance of either team winning. Let's say that was the case in all 4 of Wade's postseason losses. Saying that he lost is evidence that he can't win is like flipping a coin 4 times and getting heads each time and then saying that you can't flip tails.

 

[masomenos]

He was brought inn to fix the defense and he's pretty much failed. What other use could there be for this man if the 1 thing he's supposed to be good at is the one thing he's failed the most at?

No, he was brought in to coach the team, prepare them on a week to week basis and win games. I'd say he's done all of those things far more often than not.

 

[Bluestang]

No, he was brought in to coach the team, prepare them on a week to week basis and win games. I'd say he's done all of those things far more often than not.

Really? I do recall WP taking the blame last yr for losses and citing that it was his fault for not preparing the team enough.

 

[masomenos]

Really? I do recall WP taking the blame last yr for losses and citing that it was his fault for not preparing the team enough.

"Far more often than not"

No coach has his team properly prepared every week, they can only try, it's just a fact of the game.

 

[cml750]

We don't have a DE for the 4-3 worth a damn on the team. Ratliff isn't a DE although I think he'd be ok there. He's a better DT. Bowen and Hatcher are our only DEs. Ware's too small IMO although he'd be a great situational rusher.

We're built for the 3-4.

???? Remember the guy that wore #94 back in the glory days? He was a 3-4 outside linebacker who was converted to a 4-3 defensive end. Ware is very similar to Haley in every way except for the craziness. Also Ratliff would make an excellent DT. Line him and Ware up on the same side. Who do you double team?

 

[Bluestang]

???? Remember the guy that wore #94 back in the glory days? He was a 3-4 outside linebacker who was converted to a 4-3 defensive end. Ware is very similar to Haley in every way except for the craziness. Also Ratliff would make an excellent DT. Line him and Ware up on the same side. Who do you double team?

I actually said in a different thread how come we don't try putting Olshansky as NT and move Ratliff to DE on Ware's side for Ss & Gs? Olshansky is bigger than Ratliff and can clog up the middle forcing runs to bounce to the outside. Let's face it Ratliff is a better rusher than being a traditional 3-4 NT.

 

[cml750]

I actually said in a different thread how come we don't try putting Olshansky as NT and move Ratliff to DE on Ware's side for Ss & Gs? Olshansky is bigger than Ratliff and can clog up the middle forcing runs to bounce to the outside. Let's face it Ratliff is a better rusher than being a traditional 3-4 NT.

Agreed!! That is why I think he would be one of the best defensive tackles in football. He is so quick. Him and Ware on the same side in a 4-3 would give offensive coordinators nightmares. As far as him being an end in a 3-4, I think he would be OK but 3-4 ends are usually run stuffers with the pass rush coming from the outside linebackers. I really think we need to hire an aggressive 4-3 defensive coordinator for next year to take advantage of our talent. Carpenter and Williams would make good outside 4 - 3 linebackers with Bradie James in the middle. People can laugh about Carp but he is a 4 - 3 linebacker which is the reason he has not cracked the starting rotation in the 3 - 4. The ends would be Ware and Spencer with a DT rotation of Ratliff, Spears, and Igor. Bowen and Hatcher could spell Ware and Spencer when they need a breather.

 

[Bluestang]

Agreed!! That is why I think he would be one of the best defensive tackles in football. He is so quick. Him and Ware on the same side in a 4-3 would give offensive coordinators nightmares. As far as him being an end in a 3-4, I think he would be OK but 3-4 ends are usually run stuffers with the pass rush coming from the outside linebackers. I really think we need to hire an aggressive 4-3 defensive coordinator for next year to take advantage of our talent. Carpenter and Williams would make good outside 4 - 3 linebackers with Bradie James in the middle. People can laugh about Carp but he is a 4 - 3 linebacker which is the reason he has not cracked the starting rotation in the 3 - 4. The ends would be Ware and Spencer with a DT rotation of Ratliff, Spears, and Igor. Bowen and Hatcher could spell Ware and Spencer when they need a breather.

I started a thread on this:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163207

I just can't help but think that Ratliff would command double teams on that side and still could get penetration while Ware is left to beat a RB or TE which is a no brainer.

 

[cml750]

I started a thread on this:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163207

I just can't help but think that Ratliff would command double teams on that side and still could get penetration while Ware is left to beat a RB or TE which is a no brainer.

He would probably be one the best pass rushing 3 -4 ends. I would be concerned about the NT if we stay in the 3 -4. Igor may be okay but I don't think he has any experience there. For the life of me, I do not understand why we did not try to get a 350 pound NT to clog up the middle to either give Rat a break or to free him up to play the 3 - 4 end.