Is it Brock Purdy or the culture?

[NoLuv4Jerry]

No doubt Brock Purdy has talent. But you have to love what they have built and cultivated in San Francisco. They SHOULD have won a Super Bowl with Jimmy G against the great Patrick Mahomes and that juggernaut in KC. You saw what the 49ers came into Dallas and did last year during the divisional round. And let's not forget they were without Deebo Samuel for a big chunk of the season. If CeeDee Lamb were to go down...would Dallas have been able to stay afloat? And I am not comparing CeeDee to Deebo....Deebo is a flat out beast.

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough". They spent a top 5 pick on a QB...he was ineffective and got hurt...and they plug in Mr Irrelevant and don't skip a beat. I said it last year before our playoff game against the 49ers...the game against the 49ers last year was lost before it started...because the guy on their sidelines (kyle shanahann) gives them a decided advantage on gameday against the guy on our sidelines. Coaching (read culture) matters...especially in the postseason. They have that thing built RIGHT in San Fran.

Our culture is so fragile...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!

 

[America's Cowboy]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

 

[Zordon]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

Do you think their really talented players just fell from the sky in their lap? They came from an organization and scouting dept that was built from the ground up by John Lynch. The Cowboys could have done the same with Troy Aikman long ago but Dumb and Dumber are too busy pretending to be football men. OP is right, that organization has built a great culture, the head coach has instilled some serious swagger in that locker room and built an offense and team that isn't dependent on a single player bc they did it the right way - building from the inside out. They also didn't sit on their hands despite having a really good team like Dumb and Dumber did. They remained aggressive and went out and added a tremendous playmaker in McCaffrey. They are light years ahead of us will probably win multiple Super Bowls before we win our next one.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

I could see the Niners carrying inepto Prescott to at least the NFC Championship game.

 

[plymkr]

Dallas is a poorly run organization. SF is a well run organization. The proof is the product on the field. Talent is not the sole reason we have not advanced past the divisional round in 25+ years. Our team culture is trash.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Do you think their really talented players just fell from the sky in their lap? They came from an organization and scouting dept that was built from the ground up by John Lynch. The Cowboys could have done the same with Troy Aikman long ago but Dumb and Dumber are too busy pretending to be football men. OP is right, that organization has built a great culture, the head coach has instilled some serious swagger in that locker room and built an offense and team that isn't dependent on a single player bc they did it the right way - building from the inside out. They also didn't sit on their hands despite having a really good team like Dumb and Dumber did. They remained aggressive and went out and added a tremendous playmaker in McCaffrey. They are light years ahead of us will probably win multiple Super Bowls before we win our next one.

What you said was actually what I was trying to imply. The 49ers have hit on many of their draft picks, especially their early round ones. How many 1st - 4th round draft picks have the Cowboys missed on? Many. That's a big reason why this team is struggling. It's not fair to expect the same when this organization keeps missing so much. That's not including the culture.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The 49ers have a great organization. We do not. Purdy might win a SB. If he was here it would be another player who was wasted.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Do you think their really talented players just fell from the sky in their lap? They came from an organization and scouting dept that was built from the ground up by John Lynch. The Cowboys could have done the same with Troy Aikman long ago but Dumb and Dumber are too busy pretending to be football men. OP is right, that organization has built a great culture, the head coach has instilled some serious swagger in that locker room and built an offense and team that isn't dependent on a single player bc they did it the right way - building from the inside out. They also didn't sit on their hands despite having a really good team like Dumb and Dumber did. They remained aggressive and went out and added a tremendous playmaker in McCaffrey. They are light years ahead of us will probably win multiple Super Bowls before we win our next one.

Could not agree more......

 

[Streifenkarl]

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough".

This is the main difference. Look at how many people here think that a 12-5 or even two such seasons mean something. It doesn't and never did. Look at how Jerry is satisfied when his team is "relevant"... in the news. I guess he never meant play offs.

The culture is toxic over here. Even if they beat Brady, it would only the beginning. Anything but a SB win after all those years is simply not good enough. That's why I won't give a rat's arse about regular season stats anymore. Dak is NOT a top 5 QB just because he's leading a high scoring offense. Once he does something in the play offs, as in MAKE A FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE, and a couple of times I mean, then I'll consider him top whatever. Right now he's just a pretender, no matter how many 30 yarders he brought home during the reg season.

This goes for alot of other players and the coaches too of course. Show, don't tell.

 

[Zman5]

We drafted Dak when we had Romo so I'm sure we'll draft a QB with Dak still on the team. Infact, on one of the Cowboys podcasts, they said they were planning to draft the QB that played for Commodes last week but they took him before us.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

SMH. You forgot to mention the 49ers are loaded with weapons, veteran players proven in recent playoffs, a very good Oline, excellent receiving weapons, top 3 overall TE, excellent RBs and the #1 overall Defense. That's not including having one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Then you add their easy schedule and super weak division. They SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS AND DOING WELL since they are one of the top 3 overall loaded and experienced teams.

Totally different for the Cowboys. It's an unfair comparison and expectations. 49ers QBs would not be performing as well with what we've got Dak surrounded with. They are by far better loaded, managed and have recent playoffs experience.

Oh, by the way, the culture here in Dallas is pretty bad. It goes to the players' heads thanks to all of the media and hoopla.

The 49ers gave up 3 number one draft picks and a number 3 pick to move up to draft Trey Lance. Not sure if he will or will not work out...but then they draft a guy LAST in the NFL draft and he is winning playoff games!!!!!!

Why is it unfair to expect Dallas...with the same opportunities in the draft and free agency as the 49ers....to be performing this well?

I said a long time ago that I understand that no team wins it every year. All I want from my football team is to be run like a REAL football operation. And we simply DO NOT. We have a very capable RB in Pollard on the bench...and we let/force Zeke to hobble around on 1 leg last year because he "beat" the owner at the negotiating table...and said owner was not about to see the RB he paid big bucks stand on the sideline and not EARN that paycheck. That's not football...that's personal. We let Amari Copper go in the offseason for peanuts when we could have afforded him....over some NON football related stuff...that's personal. We don't have a good grasp of who Dak is/isn't,,,so we don't sign him when he was cheap...franchise him a couple of years...and then are forced to "overpay"....complain about overpaying him at the press conference to announce his signing..that's not football...that's personal. We sign a football coach off the couch...who lied about watching every snap Dallas took over the last 2 years....but he makes the owner comfortable...that's not football...that's personal. We are so caught up in assigning #88 to WRs or assigning #94 to DEs...we simply have a CLOWN as the tone/culture setter in this organization.

The next wave of cultural seeds they have been planting the last 2 years....the cap room they are saving for Lamb, Parsons and Diggs. Again....STARS in the making...and I am not suggesting these are not great players....but they are telling the fans they can't improve the team NOW because of these players they have to sign down the road. These guys are no doubt great players...but they have not helped us win ANYTHING at this point...but yet we are preparing to sign them to big deals! Why? Because they are "stars"...and that is the culture in Dallas....we are not in the business of football...we are in the business of entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

I could see the Niners carrying inepto Prescott to at least the NFC Championship game.

I am not a Dak basher. But they would go to the SUper Bowl with Dak. I think they could make a Super Bowl run with almost ANYONE at QB. Because they have built it right.

See...Jerry never wanted to pay Dak what Dak is making...but since he did...Jerry will sit back and say hey Dak...you are making too much money for me to surround you with the pieces you need to be succesful....but that should be okay...because since you are making so much money....you have to fill in where this team is lacking. So when we run it on 1st and 2nd down and get nowhere...your big paycheck should allow you to convert 3rd and 7 all day against anybody and with average talent as your weapons. That is NOT football. That is an owner/cutlure setter trying to get even or proving a point...a point that Dak is not worth what we are paying him!

 

[IrishAnto]

What you said was actually what I was trying to imply. The 49ers have hit on many of their draft picks, especially their early round ones. How many 1st - 4th round draft picks have the Cowboys missed on? Many. That's a big reason why this team is struggling. It's not fair to expect the same when this organization keeps missing so much. That's not including the culture.

The Cowboys are actually one of the better drafting teams, but take too many chances with high round picks which don't work out. If (as we do) you don't sign any free agents in the first week(s) of free agency, then you can't afford to miss on ANY draft picks. That of course is impossible so we'll never bridge that gap to teams that will win an SB.
That's down to Jerry and his son who also dictate the culture of the organization which is not conducive to winning either!

 

[Zman5]

Cooper Rush won 4 games vs the Bengals, Rams, Giants, and Commodes when our defense and run game were humming.
49ners have a better defense and OLine and run game. They also have better offensive coaches. It's easy to see why Purdy has done well so far.
BTW, the games he played were against TB, Seattle(2x), Raiders, Commodes and Cards. Bunch of average to bad teams.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

This is the main difference. Look at how many people here think that a 12-5 or even two such seasons mean something. It doesn't and never did. Look at how Jerry is satisfied when his team is "relevant"... in the news. I guess he never meant play offs.

The culture is toxic over here. Even if they beat Brady, it would only the beginning. Anything but a SB win after all those years is simply not good enough. That's why I won't give a rat's arse about regular season stats anymore. Dak is NOT a top 5 QB just because he's leading a high scoring offense. Once he does something in the play offs, as in MAKE A FRIGGIN DIFFERENCE, and a couple of times I mean, then I'll consider him top whatever. Right now he's just a pretender, no matter how many 30 yarders he brought home during the reg season.

This goes for alot of other players and the coaches too of course. Show, don't tell.

You know why you can discard a QB that took you to the Super Bowl? Because they people evaluating the roster know full well what Jimmy G is and what he is not. And they decided that he was not good enough.

The people evaluating the roster in Dallas would build a statue outside for ANYBODY that takes them to the Super Bowl...they would finally...after 30 years....be able to say that Jimmy was not the reason for those trophies in the 90s. And they would be WRONG!!!!!!!!

The people evaluating the roster in Dallas are clueless. If they knew what they have...they would have NEVER let the Dak situation get to 40 plus million a season. And I am not a Dak basher or lover. I just call it like I see it!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

We drafted Dak when we had Romo so I'm sure we'll draft a QB with Dak still on the team. Infact, on one of the Cowboys podcasts, they said they were planning to draft the QB that played for Commodes last week but they took him before us.

They drafted Purdy the year after drafting Trey Lance with a top 5 pick! Do you think we would ever have the stones to do that?

 

[America's Cowboy]

The 49ers gave up 3 number one draft picks and a number 3 pick to move up to draft Trey Lance. Not sure if he will or will not work out...but then they draft a guy LAST in the NFL draft and he is winning playoff games!!!!!!

Why is it unfair to expect Dallas...with the same opportunities in the draft and free agency as the 49ers....to be performing this well?

I said a long time ago that I understand that no team wins it every year. All I want from my football team is to be run like a REAL football operation. And we simply DO NOT. We have a very capable RB in Pollard on the bench...and we let/force Zeke to hobble around on 1 leg last year because he "beat" the owner at the negotiating table...and said owner was not about to see the RB he paid big bucks stand on the sideline and not EARN that paycheck. That's not football...that's personal. We let Amari Copper go in the offseason for peanuts when we could have afforded him....over some NON football related stuff...that's personal. We don't have a good grasp of who Dak is/isn't,,,so we don't sign him when he was cheap...franchise him a couple of years...and then are forced to "overpay"....complain about overpaying him at the press conference to announce his signing..that's not football...that's personal. We sign a football coach off the couch...who lied about watching every snap Dallas took over the last 2 years....but he makes the owner comfortable...that's not football...that's personal. We are so caught up in assigning #88 to WRs or assigning #94 to DEs...we simply have a CLOWN as the tone/culture setter in this organization.

The next wave of cultural seeds they have been planting the last 2 years....the cap room they are saving for Lamb, Parsons and Diggs. Again....STARS in the making...and I am not suggesting these are not great players....but they are telling the fans they can't improve the team NOW because of these players they have to sign down the road. These guys are no doubt great players...but they have not helped us win ANYTHING at this point...but yet we are preparing to sign them to big deals! Why? Because they are "stars"...and that is the culture in Dallas....we are not in the business of football...we are in the business of entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because those draft picks the 49ers gave up are future draft picks. They have drafted well prior to such a trade while adding key pieces. The 49ers are ALL IN to win now. Very soon they are going to have to pay the Piper.

The Cowboys would be in a much better state had they not missed on so many early round picks the past 7 years. You're absolutely right, Jerry made some very bad contractual decisions and overpaid many times, hence why Amari was cut, along with several other previous starters. It's affecting the team right now.

 

[IrishAnto]

The 49ers gave up 3 number one draft picks and a number 3 pick to move up to draft Trey Lance. Not sure if he will or will not work out...but then they draft a guy LAST in the NFL draft and he is winning playoff games!!!!!!

Why is it unfair to expect Dallas...with the same opportunities in the draft and free agency as the 49ers....to be performing this well?

I said a long time ago that I understand that no team wins it every year. All I want from my football team is to be run like a REAL football operation. And we simply DO NOT. We have a very capable RB in Pollard on the bench...and we let/force Zeke to hobble around on 1 leg last year because he "beat" the owner at the negotiating table...and said owner was not about to see the RB he paid big bucks stand on the sideline and not EARN that paycheck. That's not football...that's personal. We let Amari Copper go in the offseason for peanuts when we could have afforded him....over some NON football related stuff...that's personal. We don't have a good grasp of who Dak is/isn't,,,so we don't sign him when he was cheap...franchise him a couple of years...and then are forced to "overpay"....complain about overpaying him at the press conference to announce his signing..that's not football...that's personal. We sign a football coach off the couch...who lied about watching every snap Dallas took over the last 2 years....but he makes the owner comfortable...that's not football...that's personal. We are so caught up in assigning #88 to WRs or assigning #94 to DEs...we simply have a CLOWN as the tone/culture setter in this organization.

The next wave of cultural seeds they have been planting the last 2 years....the cap room they are saving for Lamb, Parsons and Diggs. Again....STARS in the making...and I am not suggesting these are not great players....but they are telling the fans they can't improve the team NOW because of these players they have to sign down the road. These guys are no doubt great players...but they have not helped us win ANYTHING at this point...but yet we are preparing to sign them to big deals! Why? Because they are "stars"...and that is the culture in Dallas....we are not in the business of football...we are in the business of entertainment!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spot On!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The Cowboys are actually one of the better drafting teams, but take too many chances with high round picks which don't work out. If (as we do) you don't sign any free agents in the first week(s) of free agency, then you can't afford to miss on ANY draft picks. That of course is impossible so we'll never bridge that gap to teams that will win an SB.
That's down to Jerry and his son who also dictate the culture of the organization which is not conducive to winning either!

Exactly. The culture setters in Dallas are the Jones Boys...and the Jones boys are NOT real FOOTBALL men. They have way too many agendas to do what's best at all times with regards to FOOTBALL!

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Because those draft picks the 49ers gave up are future draft picks. They have drafted well prior to such a trade while adding key pieces. The 49ers are ALL IN to win now. Very soon they are going to have to pay the Piper.

The Cowboys would be in a much better state had they not missed on so many early round picks the past 7 years. You're absolutely right, Jerry made some very bad contractual decisions and overpaid many times, hence why Amari was cut, along with several other previous starters. It's affecting the team right now.

how do we know they are going to have to pay the Piper? That is what the Jones boys want us to believe. They went to the Super Bowl with Kap. They went to the Super Bowl with Jimmy G. And I would not bet against them making a run with Purdy!