Is it Brock Purdy or the culture?

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I didn't use to be that way. This town and fanbase was HARD on Danny White. Why? Because championships were the standard. Danny White went to three straight NFC Championship games and that was not good enough!!!
There was no salary cap in existence during Danny White's career. Also, the 90s SB wins might not have happened if there was a salary cap in play since before the Herschel Walker trade.
 

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What a bunch of hogwash. 49ers are loaded. We're not. Compare the rosters...
Maybe he was being sarcastic? I don't know...but I don't trust our weapons. CeeDee has proven to be good...but the rest of our WR corps is meh. Never understood how we were more comfortable spending money Michael Gallup....who was INJURED...than we were on keeping Cooper. No one will ever be able to convince me that we got rid of Cooper for anything else other than personal reasons.
 

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Yes, we know, but it doesn't change what I previously said. We don't have the amount of talent that the 49ers have.
This thread was initially about why the 49'ers can win with BP. The biggest reason is their GM and the culture he creates, not why we've ended up with our respective rosters.
 

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It's both. Trey Lance was terrible on the same team. Jimmy G was an average bus driver. Purdy has been cold blooded since coming in. People trying to downplay what he's accomplished...well they have reasons.

 

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No doubt Brock Purdy has talent. But you have to love what they have built and cultivated in San Francisco. They SHOULD have won a Super Bowl with Jimmy G against the great Patrick Mahomes and that juggernaut in KC. You saw what the 49ers came into Dallas and did last year during the divisional round. And let's not forget they were without Deebo Samuel for a big chunk of the season. If CeeDee Lamb were to go down...would Dallas have been able to stay afloat? And I am not comparing CeeDee to Deebo....Deebo is a flat out beast.

I mean...I don't need to remind anyone that Jimmy G took them to the Super Bowl..the organization said "that was not good enough". They spent a top 5 pick on a QB...he was ineffective and got hurt...and they plug in Mr Irrelevant and don't skip a beat. I said it last year before our playoff game against the 49ers...the game against the 49ers last year was lost before it started...because the guy on their sidelines (kyle shanahann) gives them a decided advantage on gameday against the guy on our sidelines. Coaching (read culture) matters...especially in the postseason. They have that thing built RIGHT in San Fran.

Our culture is so fragile...I don't think we would even DARE draft a QB with Dak in the building. And this is not a bash Dak thread. It's about a REAL football organization versus an entitled entertainment conglomerate where football is one arm of Jerry's empire. I am smiling in admiration at the 49ers approach...for them to look at a guy that took them to a Super Bowl....decide he held them back....draft a guy top 5...then draft a guy in the 7th round because they thought that is what was best for their FOOTBALL team...with no concerns about how it would make there top 5 pick feel....get said 7th rounder ready to play.....IMPRESSIVE!!!!
I don't think its fair to these guys to just completely dismiss their play just because they have a good team. Purdy is playing well. Do I think he'd play as well on a team with a OC not as good as Shanahan like Kellen Moore? No. I think he'd probably struggle and be inconsistent here. He benefits from Shanahan's playbook and playcalling. BUT, that doesn't mean people could just slide in and do what he does because Trey Lance didn't look this good despite being in the league a year. So I guess the answer is maybe BOTH. Purdy looks good. And may actually be a good QB. Time will tell.
 

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Maybe he was being sarcastic? I don't know...but I don't trust our weapons. CeeDee has proven to be good...but the rest of our WR corps is meh. Never understood how we were more comfortable spending money Michael Gallup....who was INJURED...than we were on keeping Cooper. No one will ever be able to convince me that we got rid of Cooper for anything else other than personal reasons.
Cooper was way overpaid. 20+ million/year? Ouff, that's way too much especially for how Cooper would take plays off or even take himself out of key drives. During the playoff loss to the 49ers, even though Cooper scored a crucial TD, there were several key plays late in the game where he was taped going half speed and not making any effort to make any blocks downfield when other players were running with the ball. I'm pretty sure that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Jerry, and I don't blame him for cutting bait. As a business man and owner, I would have done the same. If I'm paying you $20+ million per year at the behest of the team AND YOU TAKE PLAYS OFF, ESPECIALLY DURING KEY GAMES, you're gone! Bye! I won't care who likes it or how it affects the team moving forward. I support Jerry for that move. Amari Cooper did it to himself for being traded...even for peanuts in return.
 

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It's both. Trey Lance was terrible on the same team. Jimmy G was an average bus driver. Purdy has been cold blooded since coming in. People trying to downplay what he's accomplished...well they have reasons.


They love to do the "since week (fill in the blank) lol. I'm a Dak fan but they do it with him to. Its annoying but I get it lol.
 

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The Cowboys are actually one of the better drafting teams, but take too many chances with high round picks which don't work out. If (as we do) you don't sign any free agents in the first week(s) of free agency, then you can't afford to miss on ANY draft picks. That of course is impossible so we'll never bridge that gap to teams that will win an SB.
That's down to Jerry and his son who also dictate the culture of the organization which is not conducive to winning either!
EXACTLY.

We never take any chances on signing high value FA's.

You look at every SB winning team of the last 10-20 years and virtually EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have some very high value FA's.

The 49rs have drafted about as well as anyone; and while we are not bad as you said we take too many chances after rd 1. And when you take chances you are going to fail at least half the time. Our record on 2nd rd picks is horrible; and that right there leaves us holes that NEED to be filled by higher priced FAs but we DON'T do that. Which means we then use a high pick to fill THAT hole the next year and too often take chances we do not need to. It is a catch 22 that is just another example of the bad management of this team.
 

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Cooper was way overpaid. 20+ million/year? Ouff, that's way too much especially for how Cooper would take plays off or even take himself out of key drives. During the playoff loss to the 49ers, even though Cooper scored a crucial TD, there were several key plays late in the game where he was taped going half speed and not making any effort to make any blocks downfield when other players were running with the ball. I'm pretty sure that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Jerry, and I don't blame him for cutting bait. As a business man and owner, I would have done the same. If I'm paying you $20+ million per year at the behest of the team AND YOU TAKE PLAYS OFF, ESPECIALLY DURING KEY GAMES, you're gone! Bye! I won't care who likes it or how it affects the team moving forward. I support Jerry for that move. Amari Cooper did it to himself for being traded...even for peanuts in return.
I'll stand by I wouldn't have traded Amari if all I could get was a 5th. BUT, the real issue was not replacing him and assuming Tolbert and Washington would be enough. Same mistake they made in 2018 thinking Allen Hurns was enough.

If the Cowboys made the decision to get rid of guys who take plays off and change the makeup of the team? It was a good move. They won 12 games and didn't miss a beat. I personally want a DOG at receiver. I think that's Gallup if he's healthy. I think that's Lamb. We know that's TY Hilton. Amari just doesn't have the dog in him that I think you need to win in this league.
 

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This thread was initially about why the 49'ers can win with BP. The biggest reason is their GM and the culture he creates, not why we've ended up with our respective rosters.
Uhhh, they both fall hand in hand. If you want to worship the 49ers, by all means, create a thread in the NFL Zone and worship them there to your heart's delight.
 

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Cooper was way overpaid. 20+ million/year? Ouff, that's way too much especially for how Cooper would take plays off or even take himself out of key drives. During the playoff loss to the 49ers, even though Cooper scored a crucial TD, there were several key plays late in the game where he was taped going half speed and not making any effort to make any blocks downfield when other players were running with the ball. I'm pretty sure that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Jerry, and I don't blame him for cutting bait. As a business man and owner, I would have done the same. If I'm paying you $20+ million per year at the behest of the team AND YOU TAKE PLAYS OFF, ESPECIALLY DURING KEY GAMES, you're gone! Bye! I won't care who likes it or how it affects the team moving forward. I support Jerry for that move. Amari Cooper did it to himself for being traded...even for peanuts in return.
The first post you make that has any sense to it will be your first. Talk to any REAL football coach, etc and he will look at you and ask you if you are really that stupid.
 

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The first post you make that has any sense to it will be your first. Talk to any REAL football coach, etc and he will look at you and ask you if you are really that stupid.
You barely joined, and you're talking ish? Facts break your heart? Talk tough but can't handle some truth. Go worship Amari in Cleveland.
 

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EXACTLY.

We never take any chances on signing high value FA's.

You look at every SB winning team of the last 10-20 years and virtually EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have some very high value FA's.

The 49rs have drafted about as well as anyone; and while we are not bad as you said we take too many chances after rd 1. And when you take chances you are going to fail at least half the time. Our record on 2nd rd picks is horrible; and that right there leaves us holes that NEED to be filled by higher priced FAs but we DON'T do that. Which means we then use a high pick to fill THAT hole the next year and too often take chances we do not need to. It is a catch 22 that is just another example of the bad management of this team.
Their record on 2nd round picks isn't nearly as bad as people want to suggest. Trevon Diggs, Sam Williams, Kelvin Joseph, Trysten hill, Connor Williams, Chido, Jaylon, Randy Gregory, Demarcus Lawrence.....

Hill, Joseph and Jaylon were reaches that shouldn't have been taken. Gregory, Chido and Connor played well enough to be to expensive to retain. Lawrence and Diggs have been All Pro's.

That success rate is probably as good or as bad as the rest of the league is in the 2nd round.
 

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Cooper was way overpaid. 20+ million/year? Ouff, that's way too much especially for how Cooper would take plays off or even take himself out of key drives. During the playoff loss to the 49ers, even though Cooper scored a crucial TD, there were several key plays late in the game where he was taped going half speed and not making any effort to make any blocks downfield when other players were running with the ball. I'm pretty sure that was the straw that broke the camel's back for Jerry, and I don't blame him for cutting bait. As a business man and owner, I would have done the same. If I'm paying you $20+ million per year at the behest of the team AND YOU TAKE PLAYS OFF, ESPECIALLY DURING KEY GAMES, you're gone! Bye! I won't care who likes it or how it affects the team moving forward. I support Jerry for that move. Amari Cooper did it to himself for being traded...even for peanuts in return.
Listen...Jerry traded for him....extended him. If you felt Cooper was not the answer, then that is your prerogative to get rid of him...IF....IF...you have a plan for how you are going to replace the talent/production. Extending an injured Michael Gallup was NOT the answer. Again, this was a move out of emotion. Jerry can do that as the GM because he answers to himself. Hence the ultimate issue with the culture in Dallas.
 

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Their record on 2nd round picks isn't nearly as bad as people want to suggest. Trevon Diggs, Sam Williams, Kelvin Joseph, Trysten hill, Connor Williams, Chido, Jaylon, Randy Gregory, Demarcus Lawrence.....

Hill, Joseph and Jaylon were reaches that shouldn't have been taken. Gregory, Chido and Connor played well enough to be to expensive to retain. Lawrence and Diggs have been All Pro's.

That success rate is probably as good or as bad as the rest of the league is in the 2nd round.
Sorry, bro. I disagree.

Kelvin Joseph, Trysten Hill and Jaylon should never have been drafted so high.

Connor Williams and Chido should have been resigned. They got signed by other teams for pretty good (low cost) new contracts that the Cowboys could have done.

Randy Gregory was a joke. Hardly ever played do to being suspended for years due to his drug habit.

D-Law is overpaid.
 

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Listen...Jerry traded for him....extended him. If you felt Cooper was not the answer, then that is your prerogative to get rid of him...IF....IF...you have a plan for how you are going to replace the talent/production. Extending an injured Michael Gallup was NOT the answer. Again, this was a move out of emotion. Jerry can do that as the GM because he answers to himself. Hence the ultimate issue with the culture in Dallas.
No, Jerry made the right decision. He used Amari's $20+ million to resign a couple of other starters. His failure was banking on lesser talent to make up for Amari's loss.
 
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