Is it Me? Or Was the Offensive Line Kinda Backwards Last Season?

They had their dream scenario stuck in their head and couldn't come to grips with reality. Their long term vision didn't mesh with short term problems either.
 
Tyler Smith is our left guard. He’s a pro bowler at that position.

That’s where he needs to stay
exactly I'm not opposed to moving him out to left tackle but I believe he doesn't wanna be a left tackle if he was told to do it he would do it but he's an all pro left guard and he would be just a solid left tackle you would be softening the middle I I don't understand how if they thought last year already was bad enough to have a struggling rookie left tackle but also a Learning Center on the fly rookie and then Martin underperforming and had to put Hoffman in there who's really good but think about how soft the middle would be if you put bass in place of Tyler Smith and slid out Smith to left tackle now what's the defense gonna do they're gonna come right off the A&B gaps they're looking for the weak spot so they'll avoid Tyler Smith's side and just find a hole a hole is a hole when you start shuffling things like three card money it could get worse..

I'm not opposed to fixing the offensive line but it played way better at the end of the year than it did at the beginning we have a new scheme a new offensive coaches and I believe they'll get it worked out I mean going into year 2 I think Cooper BB is gonna be a great center and I think guyton with another offseason of weight training and film study and coaching he may end up being a solid left tackle but yeah in the end he may end up being a right tackle but at this point I'd let them assess him one more offseason and and we'll notice in training camp if he's getting beat by backups and rookies then yeah the red flag gonna have to go up...
 
Maybe the answer is he really sucked at LT. I wonder what Guyton would look like if he cut down on the penalties.
First of all ,he was a rookie, changing positions,

I don't think he sucked, he got injured and then he got mental and then it got overwhelming.... I think in year 2 with a different scheme and coaches in his ear more weight training and film study he's going to be more comfortable and they're gonna give him a shot..​
I bet in preseason he starts those games as the left tackle but we'll find out if he's getting beat by backups and rookies and he still hasn't changed his spots he'll definitely get moved but at this point I think the offensive line looked way better to finish the season if you didn't notice we had a better run game the offense looked better as a whole because of the offensive line and they found a run game...​

So it's not as much as concerned because it's not going to be the same,

it's a whole different coaching staff; your offensive coordinator was one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL and then they got a really good offensive line coach, and they're going to work together with Schottenheimer to make this better and I think they'll figure it out if not we'll know but I think it's being overstated worrying about what happened last year because a whole new year... we haven't even gone through the draft yet but I'm not concerned there's no reason to be concerned at this point....

The irony here is and I find it very strange that sometimes other positions people go hey they need you know time to ease into the NFL and learn and learn the NFL because it's not that easy, and then we don't take into account that left tackles probably one of the hardest positions to play in the entire NFL well either tackle spot when you're going up against these premier pass rushers and they smell blood as a rookie and they just go ahead and expose you and sometimes... it's gonna take longer than one season especially if you're injured and the rest of the team didn't look good either there wasn't a whole lot of good blocking from the tight ends they couldn't cover it up as well because the whole team in the scheme just looked back..

Let's throw out 2024 like we did 2020 chalk it up to a lot of injuries and back coaching and then let's just see how it works out for 2025 because that's where we're at right now...
 
Tyler Smith is our left guard. He’s a pro bowler at that position.

That’s where he needs to stay
Besides, the Jones boys probably want him to stay at LG until after his extension or new contract is signed.

If I am his agent, I would put automatic payscale adjustments in Smith's contract just in case they move him LT
 
I think most of this on Solari is way overblown. I think the team was largely well-coached under Mike.

On the OL last year, we had a rookie LT who struggled, a rookie C who overall did well but it was a new position for him, a HOF RG who played poorly because he was more injured than anyone realized, and a so-so RT. Not like there was a ton of talent that was mismanaged, they just weren't that good in the first place. Plus, they did block much better especially in the run game once Martin went out.
 
I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offense with a limited Cooper Rush. Or is it that he also likes the best protection from the LG position? Even if so, do these guys know what is best for them and the team?

I get it. They were experimenting out there. But the line could have been better if we had played our players to their strengths relative to doing so having a higher impact on the overall team.

Just my two cents
I’m just glad that they finally came to their senses and let Solari ride off into the sunset. The Oline regressed from Philbin for the past few years.
 
That's not what he said.

And he will be a pro bowler or better at Center.
I agree with you I'm not sure how they're judging this pick he was solid last year very good for a rookie I saw no downside at all he will become a pro bowler you can see it it's in his demeanor he's got the size the strength and the drive to be a really good player at center I don't see where anybody can say he wasn't really good last year wasn't he a third round pick the fact that his name was almost never mentioned last year he had one game where the snaps weren't right and I think everybody had problems with that field I don't wanna say that's an excuse but that Washington game which they won by the way I believe the grass was really high the whole team was having problems with traction even our kicker that was one of his worst games they purposely left the grass high for some reason it may have thrown off the snaps I don't know...

I have zero concern for Cooper BB he is our future center, and I think as a rookie he was already better or at least as good as TylerB when he left that's what you're looking for, you're replacing a guy who got more money with a rookie with more upside, but you didn't lose anything at all.
 
Yes Bebee wasn't great at center. He'll get better in time. I just think he's an all pro guard and the new staff will quickly do what's needed.
That depends on how you define great,

I don't get what you were looking at ,he was solid, he was very good for a rookie...

are you kidding, me a third round pick he was already last year as good as Tyler when he left, that's a fact...

we didn't lose a single thing except we didn't have to pay a center, we got a rookie who has a rookie was as good as the veteran, we just let go..

BB now has more upside, I have zero concern for the guy. He had truly just one bad game and it really wasn't even that bad I remember Andre Gurode having way more issues with snaps than this rookie(literally made Romo have some famous plays with bad snaps), which by the way again the Washington game which it seemed like the kicker had a problem with footing the field grass was left a little high and there was a lot of problems with slipping and all that stuff so I don't know if that affected his snaps and his get off but that was his only game I remember him not playing solid..

I believe he's a future pro bowler,

so I don't know where your judgments are coming from, but if he's better than the guy we got rid of as a rookie or at least as good as a rookie and he will be better..

I don't know what the argument is here that he wasn't an all pro his first year that he wasn't a pro bowler out of the gate... the man's name was hardly ever called that's good for a center... That's good for any offensive lineman when you can go through an entire 17 game schedule stay healthy and I have your name called very much that means you're doing something right offensive lineman are almost always when you don't hear about them they're playing very good..
 
I think the biggest issue with the OL is simply that it's a very average unit. They have one player in Tyler Smith who is definitively in the top half of the league at his position. They have one player in Beebe who was pretty average a year ago. Outside of that you really have 3 positions that we are just being hopeful on. Guyton was awful, Steele was less awful, and Brock Hoffman was a mixed bag who looked like a legitimate starter at times and a true backup caliber player at times.

You can mix and match these guys all you want, but it wont make them any better. At this point I'd argue the best thing to do is just leave them alone and let them grow as they are all offseason.
Smith made second team All Pro so your claim he is only above average is BS
We started two rookies; had a HOF player worn down and injured; and a RT that has never seemed to recover fully. And young guys that need more time to show what they are. There is talent there; more than you claim easily
 
What was the thinking behind converting maybe the best guard in college football to center when he barely even played the position years ago? Was this Solari? I mean, we tend to make things way harder than they need to be in Dallas.
 
I think the biggest issue with the OL is simply that it's a very average unit. They have one player in Tyler Smith who is definitively in the top half of the league at his position. They have one player in Beebe who was pretty average a year ago. Outside of that you really have 3 positions that we are just being hopeful on. Guyton was awful, Steele was less awful, and Brock Hoffman was a mixed bag who looked like a legitimate starter at times and a true backup caliber player at times.

You can mix and match these guys all you want, but it wont make them any better. At this point I'd argue the best thing to do is just leave them alone and let them grow as they are all offseason.
I just wanted to give my compliments. Your posts have been excellent. And spot on (in my opinion).

:thumbup:
 
That's not what he said.

And he will be a pro bowler or better at Center.
He did ok for not playing that position in years. I'm only questioning why do it? The guy was the best guard in college football and Solari seemed to get too cute in his evaluating of him. Hoffman was at very least just as good.
 
He did ok for not playing that position in years. I'm only questioning why do it? The guy was the best guard in college football and Solari seemed to get too cute in his evaluating of him. Hoffman was at very least just as good.
its your opinion he was the best guard; I disagree
and no Hoffman was not as good. Nor does he have the physical talent of Beebe

Center needs to be a position like we had with Gurode and TFred; a mauler and brawler who can stone rushers and pound on the ground game.
Hoffman simply is not that
 
What was the thinking behind converting maybe the best guard in college football to center when he barely even played the position years ago? Was this Solari? I mean, we tend to make things way harder than they need to be in Dallas.
i think they thought martin was going to around a little longer.
 
its your opinion he was the best guard; I disagree
and no Hoffman was not as good. Nor does he have the physical talent of Beebe

Center needs to be a position like we had with Gurode and TFred; a mauler and brawler who can stone rushers and pound on the ground game.
Hoffman simply is not that
Hoffman is that bad? I haven't heard that . Hmmm. Solari loved the guy. This staff seems to as well. Let's see
 

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