Is Jason Garret, Mike Martz Jr.?

[TheCount]

They both have a propensity for passing the ball, and have been known to abandon the running game unless they have big leads. They are(were) both considered brilliant, young offensive minds. They both played on the offensive side of the ball, and so developed a fondness for scoring points rather than grinding it out.

So is Jason Garrett a younger version of Martz? And if he is, is that a good or bad thing?

 

[Doomsday101]

They both have a propensity for passing the ball, and have been known to abandon the running game unless they have big leads. They are(were) both considered brilliant, young offensive minds. They both played on the offensive side of the ball, and so developed a fondness for scoring points rather than grinding it out.

So is Jason Garrett a younger version of Martz? And if he is, is that a good or bad thing?

I think Garrett would like to run the ball more and become a more balanced team. He played for both Dallas and NY and has seen the success of what balance can bring to a team. Last year down and distance many times played a part in why Dallas passed as often but I think if we can get better consistentcy in the running attack with Barber starting instead of Jones that he will be able to do get that balance

 

[TheCount]

I think Garrett would like to run the ball more and become a more balanced team. He played for both Dallas and NY and has seen the success of what balance can bring to a team. Last year down and distance many times played a part in why Dallas passed as often but I think if we can get better consistentcy in the running attack with Barber starting instead of Jones that he will be able to do get that balance

Well my main issue is that the worse things got, the more Garrett abandoned the run. On top of that, if the first run didn't get 4 or more yards, he'd pass the next two downs rather than run it again, which lead to more than a few 3 and outs, especially early in games.

 

[big dog cowboy]

They both have a propensity for passing the ball, and have been known to abandon the running game unless they have big leads. They are(were) both considered brilliant, young offensive minds. They both played on the offensive side of the ball, and so developed a fondness for scoring points rather than grinding it out.

So is Jason Garrett a younger version of Martz? And if he is, is that a good or bad thing?

Jason has been a OC for one year. Just saying.....

 

[Woods]

Well my main issue is that the worse things got, the more Garrett abandoned the run. On top of that, if the first run didn't get 4 or more yards, he'd pass the next two downs rather than run it again, which lead to more than a few 3 and outs, especially early in games.

You've got to remember that Garrett is also on a steep learning curve. And that's probably one of the reasons he decided to stay one more year as an OC.

Give him time.

 

[arglebargle]

Firstoff, Jason Garrett is not an overbearing jerk.....

 

[Doomsday101]

Well my main issue is that the worse things got, the more Garrett abandoned the run. On top of that, if the first run didn't get 4 or more yards, he'd pass the next two downs rather than run it again, which lead to more than a few 3 and outs, especially early in games.

He went to the strenght of the offense with TO and Witten because we did not have much consistentcy out of Jones. When you faced with 2nd and 8 or a play is being called back because of a flag and you looking at 1st 15 or 20 you do what you have to. I do think if Dallas can show they can run the ball consistently he will mix things up better.

 

[Mansta54]

Jason has been a OC for one year. Just saying.....

I was thinking the same thing. With just 1 year as OC, I don't think he's had time to be known for anything just yet.

 

[TheCount]

I was thinking the same thing. With just 1 year as OC, I don't think he's had time to be known for anything just yet.

Well all that under consideration, you don't become the highest paid OC in the league if you don't want to be measured against them. I think its a fair discussion, I'm not saying this is the height of his career.

 

[Mansta54]

Well all that under consideration, you don't become the highest paid OC in the league if you don't want to be measured against them. I think its a fair discussion, I'm not saying this is the height of his career.

Ahh, he was the highest paid OC because JJ didn't want to lose him as his future HC. He had to pay him to keep him....

 

[TheCount]

Ahh, he was the highest paid OC because JJ didn't want to lose him as his future HC. He had to pay him to keep him....

I think everyone knows that, doesnt change anything. Right now he's our AC and OC.

 

[Mansta54]

I think everyone knows that, doesnt change anything. Right now he's our AC and OC.

Ok and agreed but to compare him to MM is extremely premature. MM has developed a pattern of throwing the ball as a HC and OC for MANY years. Everybody knows he throws first and runs second. JG with only a year as OC and never a HC hasn't had time to develop a consistent pattern and definately not one that would compare to MM. That's all I'm saying dude. It's apples to oranges...

 

[dbair1967]

I dont think you can blame him...for most of the yr we gained yds in huge chunks in the passing game, and for the most part our passing game was unstoppable...couple that with very inconsistent run blocking/ run results on early downs, and its not hard to see why he did it.

Jones obviously didnt develop, and despite all our love for MBIII he's statistically one of the worst short yardage runners in football the last 3yrs...some of it isnt him because I think Sparano's run blocking system was poor

David

 

[Mansta54]

I dont think you can blame him...for most of the yr we gained yds in huge chunks in the passing game, and for the most part our passing game was unstoppable...couple that with very inconsistent run blocking/ run results on early downs, and its not hard to see why he did it.

Jones obviously didnt develop, and despite all our love for MBIII he's statistically one of the worst short yardage runners in football the last 3yrs...some of it isnt him because I think Sparano's run blocking system was poor

David

I couldn't agree with you more and stated so in another thread regarding our run blocking. HH is head n shoulders above TS in coaching the oline. Our running game will be much improved this year under HH... He may be our best offseason move.....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Firstoff, Jason Garrett is not an overbearing jerk.....

Garrett hasnt gotten Romo one of these :cop:.... yet.... LOL

 

[LeonDixson]

Garrett hasnt gotten Romo one of these :cop:.... yet.... LOL

I think you are making the point that I was going to make. That is that the big difference I see between JG and MM is that MM leaves his QB at the mercy of the pass rush. JG seems to pay more attention to protection schemes while passing. Correct or no?

 

[GhettoxCowboy]

They both have a propensity for passing the ball, and have been known to abandon the running game unless they have big leads. They are(were) both considered brilliant, young offensive minds. They both played on the offensive side of the ball, and so developed a fondness for scoring points rather than grinding it out.

So is Jason Garrett a younger version of Martz? And if he is, is that a good or bad thing?

I tihnk so.. JG, is an awesome OC.. i think he should stay as An OC instead of a HC..

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't think so because Garrett seemed to want to run the ball in the second half.

Martz has the propensity to say "hey, you may be stopping this now but you won't be able to stop this the entire game" and that often gets him into trouble. I only saw that happen in 2 games this year with Dallas (Bills and 2nd Eagles game) and I think you can kind of chalk that up to inexperience over basic philosophy.

The question next year will be if Garrett learns from this or not. But it's quite common for O-Coordinators to fall in this trap 2-3 times a year. Martz just happens to fall into that trap more often.





YAKUZA

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Garrett likes to pass to set up the run

he's from the '90's Cowboy's offense

 

[Hostile]

I dont think you can blame him...for most of the yr we gained yds in huge chunks in the passing game, and for the most part our passing game was unstoppable...couple that with very inconsistent run blocking/ run results on early downs, and its not hard to see why he did it.

Jones obviously didnt develop, and despite all our love for MBIII he's statistically one of the worst short yardage runners in football the last 3yrs...some of it isnt him because I think Sparano's run blocking system was poor

David

Right on the friggin' :money:

In 2007 we passed 531 times, and ran 419 times. 56% passing, 44% rushing.

Detroit (which was nowhere near as effective throwing) threw the ball 587 times, and ran 324 times. 62% passing, 38% rushing.

I honestly do not see the correlation.