Is Jason Garret, Mike Martz Jr.?

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Every team (OC) plays to their strength. Running the ball was not a strength last year. The OL couldn't run block to save their lives. Most of the yards gained on the ground were because of the backs, not the line. However, the OL was outstanding at pass blocking, not to mention Romo is mobile. I don't think he abandoned it, it just wasn't their game last year. He had a starting RB he couldn't rely on. Had MBIII started last year, I think they would've run more. I guess we'll find out this year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was initially under the impression that Garrett spit the bit and gave up on the running game. After looking at the game book i no longer fell that. Barber had several long runs at the end of the first quarter and then only had one run of more than 3 yards for the remainder of the game.

Now I do believe that Spagnuolo outcoached him as its readily apparent that he made adjustments and Garrett did not. Spag adjusted his defense and had more people at the LOS most of the tackles on Barber to end the half were from safeties.

We then went to the pass and we wre getting great mileage out of the passing game. But Garrett did not make another adjustment to return to the running game. Between that and a drop from Crayton and several bad throws from Romo and are offense stalled.

One thing is certain and that is that Sparano was a passing oriented coach for all his work on the OL and TE. He never could get our guys to run block. John Garrett really turned that around for our TEs this past season and I fully expect Houck to have a very positive impact this upcoming season in that regard.

I used to get on Garrett's case but really with the inconsistency that our line showed in regards to the run I can understand him not leaning on the run even if the defense was leaning towards the pass.

Last season Garrett did show some tendencies of a Mike Martz Jr but that was not necessarily his fault and hopefully this upcoming season will show a more balanced attack.

 

[TheCount]

Right on the friggin' :money:

In 2007 we passed 531 times, and ran 419 times. 56% passing, 44% rushing.

Detroit (which was nowhere near as effective throwing) threw the ball 587 times, and ran 324 times. 62% passing, 38% rushing.

I honestly do not see the correlation.

Well to be fair, you're comparing one year and a horrible Lions team. I am talking more general. I also find it funny that right now the comparison is an insult, but would it be when Martz was running the greatest show on turf.

 

[Hostile]

Well to be fair, you're comparing one year and a horrible Lions team. I am talking more general. I also find it funny that right now the comparison is an insult, but would it be wen Martz was running the greatest show on turf.

Garrett only has 1 year. Pick a Martz year and I'll look it up.

Oh, and where did I say it was an insult?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think you are making the point that I was going to make. That is that the big difference I see between JG and MM is that MM leaves his QB at the mercy of the pass rush. JG seems to pay more attention to protection schemes while passing. Correct or no?

Agreed and at the same time... our O-line seems to be a pure pash protecting line.... what about run blocking? Color me concerned...

 

[Boysboy]

They both have a propensity for passing the ball, and have been known to abandon the running game unless they have big leads. They are(were) both considered brilliant, young offensive minds. They both played on the offensive side of the ball, and so developed a fondness for scoring points rather than grinding it out.

So is Jason Garrett a younger version of Martz? And if he is, is that a good or bad thing?

You obviously missed the Giants 3 game-where we were running LONG 10 minute drives with MB3 in the run game throughout(of course, somehow our OL went jailbreak in the second half).

*sigh*

 

[Boysboy]

Every team (OC) plays to their strength. Running the ball was not a strength last year. The OL couldn't run block to save their lives. Most of the yards gained on the ground were because of the backs, not the line. However, the OL was outstanding at pass blocking, not to mention Romo is mobile. I don't think he abandoned it, it just wasn't their game last year. He had a starting RB he couldn't rely on. Had MBIII started last year, I think they would've run more. I guess we'll find out this year.

I agree 100%.

I find it funny how people who say "I've seen every minute of every Cowboys game" really, really don't know what they're talking about.

For the record, yes-our OL may be massive, but it's NOT athletic enough to go up against quick defenders.

And no-Garrett ain't Andy Reid either. Reid will abandon the run when it's WORKING, for the reason being his wet dreams are throwing 80 yard bombs all game long.

 

[Boysboy]

Agreed and at the same time... our O-line seems to be a pure pash protecting line.... what about run blocking? Color me concerned...

OTOH-Cricket is a VERY good run blocking FB. As he was catching on, he was starting to blow defenders up(like he did in the Pats, Vikings, and Eagles 1 games). And Hoyte was playing with a bum neck throughout most of the season.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

I don't think he's old enough to be his daddy! :laugh2:

 

[TheCount]

You obviously missed the Giants 3 game-where we were running LONG 10 minute drives with MB3 in the run game throughout(of course, somehow our OL went jailbreak in the second half).

*sigh*

Didn't miss it, it was one game though and as soon as things started going badly, we seemed to be passing the ball more. Then again, I may not be remembering clearly, I was very upset by that point.

 

[TheCount]

Garrett only has 1 year. Pick a Martz year and I'll look it up.

Oh, and where did I say it was an insult?

Garrett has one year, sure, I don't see how that affects our being able to discuss him in comparison amongst his peers. Like I said, it was a general discussion, I'm not saying he's going to somehow miraculously become the same person Martz is. It's a discussion on their similarities and differences, nothing more.

Everyone is taking it as an insult. No one has yet to bring up how brilliant Martz was in putting together some of the offenses he has orchestrated, that the comparison could be flattering to Jason.

All anyone remembers are the guys failures. You yourself were quick to bring up the disproportionate pass/run ratio the rams had last year, I'd say that's taking it as an insult.

 

[DallasEast]

Garrett only has 1 year. Pick a Martz year and I'll look it up.

Oh, and where did I say it was an insult?

Mike Martz -

Rams offensive coordinator
1999: 530 passing attempts vs 431 rushing attempts. 55% to 45%.

Rams head coach
2000: 587 passing attempts vs 383 rushing attempts. 61% to 39%.
2001: 551 passing attempts vs 366 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2002: 635 passing attempts vs 343 rushing attempts. 65% to 35%.
2003: 600 passing attempts vs 411 rushing attempts. 59% to 41%.
2004: 580 passing attempts vs 381 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2005: out 11 games due to heart ailment

Lions offensive coordinator
2006: 596 passing attempts vs 304 rushing attempts. 66% to 34%.
2007: 587 passing attempts vs 324 rushing attempts. 64% to 36%.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

Mike Martz -

49ers offensive coordinator
1999: 530 passing attempts vs 431 rushing attempts. 55% to 45%.

49ers head coach
2000: 587 passing attempts vs 383 rushing attempts. 61% to 39%.
2001: 551 passing attempts vs 366 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2002: 635 passing attempts vs 343 rushing attempts. 65% to 35%.
2003: 600 passing attempts vs 411 rushing attempts. 59% to 41%.
2004: 580 passing attempts vs 381 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2005: out 11 games due to heart ailment

Lions offensive coordinator
2006: 596 passing attempts vs 304 rushing attempts. 66% to 34%.
2007: 587 passing attempts vs 324 rushing attempts. 64% to 36%.

didn't Martz coach the Rams not the 49ers

 

[Hostile]

Garrett has one year, sure, I don't see how that affects our being able to discuss him in comparison amongst his peers. Like I said, it was a general discussion, I'm not saying he's going to somehow miraculously become the same person Martz is. It's a discussion on their similarities and differences, nothing more.

Everyone is taking it as an insult. No one has yet to bring up how brilliant Martz was in putting together some of the offenses he has orchestrated, that the comparison could be flattering to Jason.

All anyone remembers are the guys failures. You yourself were quick to bring up the disproportionate pass/run ratio the rams had last year, I'd say that's taking it as an insult.

I said "I don't see the correlation." That is nowhere near "insulted." In fact, unless I am missing it completely, no one looks insulted to me except you because we (or is it just I?) don't see your point. Forgive me for my blindness sir.

:blind:

Buy a pencil? 25 cents.

Martz wasn't with the Rams last year it was the Lions. I didn't see the correlation in 2007 because of the huge discrepancy of pass to run ratios. Let's look at 2006 with the Lions.

596 pass attempts, 304 rushing plays. 66% passing, 34% rushing. I still don't see it.

Let's look at 2005 when he was HC of the Rams.

599 pass attempts, 380 rushing plays. 61% passing, 39% rushing. Still don't see it.

Yes, Garrett threw the ball a lot in 2007. But it isn't over 60% of the time and we still used the run despite not having a Stephen Jackson or Marshall Faulk.

I'm sorry, I don't see the correlation, but I am not offended by any wild stretch.

 

[dbair1967]

I think we'll see more balance this yr due to Houck coaching the OL (which means they will probably be more succesful running on early downs, something we have struggled with the last couple of years under Sparano)...if you are constantly in 2nd and 11 or 2nd and 9, of course you are going to pass more...also, the draft will dictate a little of what happens as well. Should they some how end up with McFadden, you can bet with him and MBIII we'll probably turn into one of the more run oriented teams in the league...play action passing would probably be far more succesful with us...not to mention the time of possession edge we'd likely have every week, which means our defense stays on the field less...

David

 

[DallasEast]

didn't Martz coach the Rams not the 49ers

Yep. I'm not going to blame it on a typo. My brain was fried a few hours ago. Probably still is.

EDIT: Can a mod chance the '99-'05 headers from 49ers to Rams?

 

[Hostile]

didn't Martz coach the Rams not the 49ers

Yep. I'm not going to blame it on a typo. My brain was fried a few hours ago. Probably still is.

EDIT: Can a mod chance the '99-'05 headers from 49ers to Rams?

Fixed it.

 

[DallasEast]

Fixed it.

Thanks Hos.

 

[TheCount]

I said "I don't see the correlation." That is nowhere near "insulted." In fact, unless I am missing it completely, no one looks insulted to me except you because we (or is it just I?) don't see your point. Forgive me for my blindness sir.

:blind:

Buy a pencil? 25 cents.

Martz wasn't with the Rams last year it was the Lions. I didn't see the correlation in 2007 because of the huge discrepancy of pass to run ratios. Let's look at 2006 with the Lions.

596 pass attempts, 304 rushing plays. 66% passing, 34% rushing. I still don't see it.

Let's look at 2005 when he was HC of the Rams.

599 pass attempts, 380 rushing plays. 61% passing, 39% rushing. Still don't see it.

Yes, Garrett threw the ball a lot in 2007. But it isn't over 60% of the time and we still used the run despite not having a Stephen Jackson or Marshall Faulk.

I'm sorry, I don't see the correlation, but I am not offended by any wild stretch.

I meant the Lions, it was a typo. I also didn't say you were insulted, I said people are taking the comparison as being an insult on Garrett.

It's fine if you don't see the correlation. You're still bringing up 60/40 like that is the only comparison to be made, pass to run ratio. Would it be better if I compared Garrett to Andy Reid?

 

[theogt]

Mike Martz -

Rams offensive coordinator
1999: 530 passing attempts vs 431 rushing attempts. 55% to 45%.

Rams head coach
2000: 587 passing attempts vs 383 rushing attempts. 61% to 39%.
2001: 551 passing attempts vs 366 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2002: 635 passing attempts vs 343 rushing attempts. 65% to 35%.
2003: 600 passing attempts vs 411 rushing attempts. 59% to 41%.
2004: 580 passing attempts vs 381 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.
2005: out 11 games due to heart ailment

Lions offensive coordinator
2006: 596 passing attempts vs 304 rushing attempts. 66% to 34%.
2007: 587 passing attempts vs 324 rushing attempts. 64% to 36%.

Compare this to our 1st half stats in 2007:

306 passing attempts vs. 209 rushing attempts. 60% to 40%.