Is Romo a hall of famer?

[Willfreedom909]

Dalton had way more help than Romo in his career. Romo is the Iverson of the Nfl. He had a average or below average defense for most of his year. He only had a run game for one year. The line got him broken up. They finally addressed running back and o-line and he only got to enjoy the line for one year. He got hurt right before Zeke. He would've been in Bree's Rivers, and Ben's class if he got to play three years with Zeke and our line(when healthy).

nah romo is more like anthony benoit than iverson

 

[KJJ]

Yes, different eras...so total passing yards is meaningless. Of this era, Eli is, what, the ~15th best quarterback?

In no particular order...Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Romo, Warner, Newton, Wilson. Eli's peers are Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, and Joe Flacco.

I don't get it with Eli, especially from Cowboys fans...there's a disposition to ignore an entire career of poor passing because of 2 plays. He throws picks more often than Blake Bortles. His career passer rating is worse than Sam Bradford. His YPA is worse than Colin Kaepernick. His TD% is worse than Andy Dalton. Week in and week out Eli Manning was a bad NFL quarterback.

Tell Warren Moon passing yards are meaningless. Moon being 4th on the all-time passing list when he retired is the main reason he's in the HOF. He himself admitted that. He won virtually nothing in the NFL and didn't have a good playoff record. He was the QB of a Houston team that coughed up a 32 point lead in the 92 playoffs. The HOF committee looks at all a QBs numbers. Fouts and Marino were putting up big numbers in the 80s before all the rule changes. Having only 6 QBs ahead of Eli on the all-time passing list means he was consistent over a long period of years. Not many QBs have been the QB of the same NFL team for 15 years. If Eli sucked like you claim he would have been run out of NY a long time ago. NY isn't exactly a QB friendly city, just look at how many QBs the Jets have gone through over the years.

Eli has more SB wins than 12 of the QBs you named and he beat arguably the greatest QB of all-time in two SBs. He beat an undefeated Pats team in the SB and is the only QB to ever lead a 9-7 team to a SB championship. As for passer ratings they don't mean crap! There's HOF QBs that have worse passer ratings than several journeymen QBs. Where did Romo's career high 97.1 passer rating that has him 5th all-time ever get him? Kirk Cousins is 9th on that list and he's never won a single playoff game. Eli's resume has everything that makes him a virtual lock for the HOF. He's 7th on the all-time passing list. He has 2 SB wins and 2 SB MVPs and has 8-3 playoff record. I get the hatred some Cowboys fans have for Eli. It's all because he beat the Cowboys in some do or die games enabling the Giants to go on and win the SB.

The wounds from the 2007 and 2011 seasons are still festering for many Cowboys. Had the Cowboys hung on to a 12 point lead over the Giants in Dec 2011 to win that game and the rest of the season played out the way it did for both teams, the Cowboys would have won the division and the Giants would have been the team sitting home. If you choose hate a player and claim they suck because they came through against the Cowboys in some very critical games that led to him and his team winning a couple of SBs go ahead but I don't live in that world.

 

[Darkhound]

No.. no no no and now... no SB wins... he didnt even win enough playoff games.. so no

 

[kskboys]

Cowboys Zone tells me he’s a top 5 quarterback along the likes of SUPERBOWL winners like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ben, and Manning.

Will the all time great Romo be in the hall of fame?

Or is he just Andy Dalton 2.0 a career loser?

Sorry, no.

HOF is for great players, not pretty good players.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, define fame. You said it was the hall of Fame.

I didn't think it needed to be said that the fame is tied to playing the game. And, the CONNOTATION of the word is infamy or notoriety. Fame has a positive connotation. Fame that is negative is called infamy or notoriety.
Hernandez was not famous. He was infamous or notorious.

Eli sucks, he has always sucked, and the fact that he has two rings and Marino has 0 is exactly why team accomplishments shouldn't mean anything for HoF. The Super Bowl logic always, always falls apart talking about Marino.

No argument is 100 percent. That's why Dan Marino, Warren Moon and Dan Fouts go against the trend. But … Super Bowls are a factor. Otherwise, Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw would not be in the Hall of Fame. Otherwise, Joe Namath, Len Dawson, Bob Griese and Ken Stabler wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

It should absolutely be the Hall of Stats, and those stats should be defined by per play and per year, except for OL. The HoF should be cut down by about 75%.

You're arguing what SHOULD be. I'm arguing what is. And as the Hall of Fame is now, as voted by sportswriters, stats and contribution to the history and fame of the game are what voters consider.

 

[G2]

But that’s not what you were saying, you stated regular season stats aren’t getting you in

The argument you should be saying is, average to great stats won’t get you in at the QB position.

Someone like Drew Brees, even if he never won a super bowl, would still get in the HOF due to his “regular season stats”

And “playoff appearances” never factor in for HOF votes and you folks need to stop pretending it does. Marino was known as a choke artist, similar to Peyton Manning up until 2006, in the post-season.

Marino was the epitome of a regular season warrior and saved his worst games for the post season.

As for “18 playoff appearances”

Marino made the playoffs from 1983 to 1985 and didn’t return to the playoffs until 1990. His best post season came in 1994, but the. After that, got trounced by the Broncos and Jags I’m back to back seasons before he retired.

QBs can get in to the HOF on regular season success, but they need to be stat breakers during their era.

Romo wasn’t that, he was a top 10 QB who had a couple seasons where he was top 3-5. If someone like Rivers gets in, the HOF bar lowers and Romo should get in.

I made my stance clear, Romo should not get in and a lot of players in the Hall shouldn’t be there either. It’s a watered down achievement already.

Wrong. play off appearances DO factor in. maybe not to you.

Comparing Romo to marino is simply silly. No comparison.

 

[Joe Realist]

Today''s and recent retired QBs:

Both Mannings
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Roethlisberger
Rivers
Matt Ryan - a few more years, based on stats

 

[G2]

And I am telling you everything that applies to Rivers means nothing in the HOF voting

Longevity will not get him in - Rivers will need a ring or a couple MVP votes.

> Romo doesn’t even have that

Romo was a top 10 QB for 9 seasons, that is a very long time for any position to have a peak that lasts that long...

Media and voting inconsistency, if Rivers gets in, will not be due to longevity nor will voters be able to make a valid argument.

As for Eli Manning, as stated before, this is not a “Hall of Stats” - it’s the Hall of Fame - Manning has played in a big market, got a wildcard team to the playoffs, helped beat Romo, Favre, and an undefeated team led by Brady by making the most famous Super Bowl throw in history. He then followed it up a few years later by making. ANOTHER spectacular throw to Manningham and got himself two Super Bowl MVPs

He is easily the most qualified of the players named to get into the HOF. Hell, he even has the “longevity” - which is exactly why he is top 10 in passing yards along side Rivers and Big Ben...

Romo was NOT a top 10 QB for 9 seasons by any stretch. Sorry.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Tell Warren Moon passing yards are meaningless. Moon being 4th on the all-time passing list when he retired is the main reason he's in the HOF. He himself admitted that. He won virtually nothing in the NFL and didn't have a good playoff record. He was the QB of a Houston team that coughed up a 32 point lead in the 92 playoffs. The HOF committee looks at all a QBs numbers. Fouts and Marino were putting up big numbers in the 80s before all the rule changes. Having only 6 QBs ahead of Eli on the all-time passing list means he was consistent over a long period of years. Not many QBs have been the QB of the same NFL team for 15 years. If Eli sucked like you claim he would have been run out of NY a long time ago. NY isn't exactly a QB friendly city, just look at how many QBs the Jets have gone through over the years.

Eli has more SB wins than 12 of the QBs you named and he beat arguably the greatest QB of all-time in two SBs. He beat an undefeated Pats team in the SB and is the only QB to ever lead a 9-7 team to a SB championship. As for passer ratings they don't mean crap! There's HOF QBs that have worse passer ratings than several journeymen QBs. Where did Romo's career high 97.1 passer rating that has him 5th all-time ever get him? Kirk Cousins is 9th on that list and he's never won a single playoff game. Eli's resume has everything that makes him a virtual lock for the HOF. He's 7th on the all-time passing list. He has 2 SB wins and 2 SB MVPs and has 8-3 playoff record. I get the hatred some Cowboys fans have for Eli. It's all because he beat the Cowboys in some do or die games enabling the Giants to go on and win the SB.

The wounds from the 2007 and 2011 seasons are still festering for many Cowboys. Had the Cowboys hung on to a 12 point lead over the Giants in Dec 2011 to win that game and the rest of the season played out the way it did for both teams, the Cowboys would have won the division and the Giants would have been the team sitting home. If you choose hate a player and claim they suck because they came through against the Cowboys in some very critical games that led to him and his team winning a couple of SBs go ahead but I don't live in that world.

Your construct of Eli is totally misplaced on several fronts - but ultimately, you will be right.

I'm not going to hate on him or his career, he's been a decent quarterback for a long time who has worn us down with longevity, but assigning Super Bowl wins to Eli is like crediting the tires for winning the Indianapolis 500. The car wouldn't have won without them but at least they stayed on the car.

Here are some indisputable facts.

All time numbers are misleading. Eli is like Harold Baines, wearing down statistics with meaningless years. But how productive were those seasons. He ranks 47 in al time passer rating which is more indicative of overall performance than lots of passing yards. (Romo is 5th all time QB rating, just recently passed by Phillip Rivers who is now 4th) and who came into the league the same time as Manning.

Here's a number that isn't misleading - he has the most turnovers in the league the last five years. It's who he is.

Although the Giants defense was average during the two Super Bowl seasons, Eli was the benefactor of two of the greatest post season defensive runs in the history of the NFL. The Giants defense gave up only (15 PPG) in both runs.

He got way with some of the worst throws in playoff history in several games including the dropped INT by Asante Samuels before the Tyree catch - which even that was a hope and a prayer.

As for coming through against the Cowboys in critical games I can go back to 2009 and a dropped INT by Terrance Newman that was right in his hands at the 20 yard line with nobody around him on a simple out in the 4th quarter of a late season game against the Cowboys that would've ended their playoff chances a week before their season even ended - and he flat out dropped it. Eli never even sees a playoff game that year if Newman catches a ball that most on this Board could.

Eli is absolutely not a lock for the Hall Of Fame although I think he gets in because of his name. When Jerry Rice calls you out and says you don't belong you know there's a lot of undercurrent from former and current player who feel others are more deserving.

You are wrong about Eli sucking and getting run out of New York because he has sucked for four years (a bottom five ranked QB) and still has not been run out of NY. Even today Shurmer said Eli "has years" left in him. I can tell you every Giant fan I know (I'm from the state) has turned on him. It's the absolute best news any Cowboy fan could hear.

Like I said, you are wrong about a lot of things on Eli but you will be right on your point - he's going to get into the Hall.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Romo was NOT a top 10 QB for 9 seasons by any stretch. Sorry.

Statistically he was for 7 of those 9 years, two of which were cut short by injury He also kept the Cowboy's offense consistently in the top ten in Points Per Drive his entire career which is one of the most important correlative stats to winning in the NFL.

 

[Tabascocat]

If Romo had just one ring, this would not be a debate

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Statistically he was for 7 of those 9 years, two of which were cut short by injury He also kept the Cowboy's offense consistently in the top ten in Points Per Drive his entire career which is one of the most important correlative stats to winning in the NFL.

He played 8 seasons that were considered full seasons and he was top ten, at worst, in all eight. Though I would say maybe you could make a case in 2012 he was outside of the top ten. It was his worst season.

 

[KJJ]

Your construct of Eli is totally misplaced on several fronts - but ultimately, you will be right.

I'm not going to hate on him or his career, he's been a decent quarterback for a long time who has worn us down with longevity, but assigning Super Bowl wins to Eli is like crediting the tires for winning the Indianapolis 500. The car wouldn't have won without them but at least they stayed on the car.

Here are some indisputable facts.

All time numbers are misleading. Eli is like Harold Baines, wearing down statistics with meaningless years. But how productive were those seasons. He ranks 47 in al time passer rating which is more indicative of overall performance than lots of passing yards. (Romo is 5th all time QB rating, just recently passed by Phillip Rivers who is now 4th) and who came into the league the same time as Manning.

Here's a number that isn't misleading - he has the most turnovers in the league the last five years. It's who he is.

Although the Giants defense was average during the two Super Bowl seasons, Eli was the benefactor of two of the greatest post season defensive runs in the history of the NFL. The Giants defense gave up only (15 PPG) in both runs.

He got way with some of the worst throws in playoff history in several games including the dropped INT by Asante Samuels before the Tyree catch - which even that was a hope and a prayer.

As for coming through against the Cowboys in critical games I can go back to 2009 and a dropped INT by Terrance Newman that was right in his hands at the 20 yard line with nobody around him on a simple out in the 4th quarter of a late season game against the Cowboys that would've ended their playoff chances a week before their season even ended - and he flat out dropped it. Eli never even sees a playoff game that year if Newman catches a ball that most on this Board could.

Eli is absolutely not a lock for the Hall Of Fame although I think he gets in because of his name. When Jerry Rice calls you out and says you don't belong you know there's a lot of undercurrent from former and current player who feel others are more deserving.

You are wrong about Eli sucking and getting run out of New York because he has sucked for four years (a bottom five ranked QB) and still has not been run out of NY. Even today Shurmer said Eli "has years" left in him. I can tell you every Giant fan I know (I'm from the state) has turned on him. It's the absolute best news any Cowboy fan could hear.

Like I said, you are wrong about a lot of things on Eli but you will be right on your point - he's going to get into the Hall.

It makes no difference how Eli has played the last four years he cemented his Hall of Fame resume prior to that. I believe Eli is a lock to make the Hall of Fame but not on the first ballot. The Manning name isn’t going to get him in the Hall of Fame. You’re totally off base on that and you’re the one who’s wrong about a lot of things. I’ll end up being right and you’re admitting it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

No.

UDFA who made himself, and then the Cowboys for almost a decade. But those years making himself into an NFL QB shortened his starting career. Had his best receiving corps in his first year starting as something of a spas. Great 2007 even without Glenn, but TO and Glenn are broken *and on the roster* for the playoffs. Crayton was the only healthy wideout, and he had two huge screw ups. If he doesn't pull up on the 2nd to last pass, it's a win.

2008 the offense and the future are destroyed by trading for Roy and dumping TO in 2009. Too old and broken by the time the Cowboys had moved on from Roy, rebuilt the oline, and started to make headway with the defense.

If he could get his early training years back healthy for 2015 and on, it might have been fun. But no.

 

[85Cowboy85]

He won't make it because of perception. That said he's better than several QBs that are already in the hall of fame. Would easily take Romo over Warren Moon for example.

 

[G2]

Statistically he was for 7 of those 9 years, two of which were cut short by injury He also kept the Cowboy's offense consistently in the top ten in Points Per Drive his entire career which is one of the most important correlative stats to winning in the NFL.

Not accurate

 

[KJJ]

He won't make it because of perception. That said he's better than several QBs that are already in the hall of fame. Would easily take Romo over Warren Moon for example.

Warren Moon was all about passing yards. He had a couple of 4600 yard seasons in the early 90s but despite all the yards he only had one season in his 17 year NFL career where he passed for more than 30 touchdowns. All those yards and he wasn’t throwing many touchdowns. Pretty hard to throw for all those yards and only have one season with more than 30 touchdown passes. Never thought he was a Hall of Fame player but the Hall of Fame committee obviously took his CFL career into account. It’s the Pro football Hall of Fame not the NFL Hall of Fame so his CFL championships mattered.

 

[Willfreedom909]

He won't make it because of perception. That said he's better than several QBs that are already in the hall of fame. Would easily take Romo over Warren Moon for example.

Romo isn’t on moons level.

Warren Moon would be throwing for 5k yards every year in this era. Stop

 

[KJJ]

Warren Moon would be throwing for 5k yards every year in this era. Stop

And he still probably wouldn’t throw for many touchdowns and still wouldn’t have any championships in the NFL. Like I said he was all about passing yards. He passed for 527 yards against KC in the early 90s which was the second most passing yards in a single game in NFL history but his team lost. Great pure passer but I don’t think he was a Hall of Fame player based on his playoff resume and lack of TD passes. He had 291 career touchdowns compared to 233 career INT’s and his playoff record was 3-7.

 

[FTWayne]

Is Romo a hall of famer? nope he's a commentator. He's not been put on a ballet, so no. "let's crap on Romo some more" "I supported Romo, I hate him he sucked"