Is Romo a hall of famer?

[Future]

“ good” is a subjective description or adjective and why we need career stats and personal and/or team accomplishments to assist in our determination.

Sure, here is the objective material on Eli.

Passing Yards - 7th (inevitably will be passed by Ryan, Rodgers and Stafford.)
Passing Attempts - 6th
Passer Rating - 43rd (Almost all of his contemporaries - Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Brady, Romo, Peyton, Rivers, Cousins, Ryan, Roehtlisberger, Warner, Luck) are in the top-16.
Yards per Attempt - Tied for 84th. (Romo, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Rivers, Rodgers, Cousins, Brees all in the top 20).
Completion % - Tied for 41st.
INT % - Tied for 47th
TD % - Tied for 67th

He trails his contemporaries by miles in all of these categories. He is not objectively good. He is, relative to other passers of this era, objectively way the heck behind. Other than throwing a lot, he doesn't do anything well. The only thing subjective is whether or not team accomplishments should actually be credited to a player trying to get into the HoF. There is nothing objective about Eli to say that he should be.

 

[KJJ]

Passing yards are meaningless because it puts players like Eli Manning into a context they don't belong. Moon, Marino, Favre, etc. are not Eli's peers....and I don't think Moon should be in the HoF anyways, though he has a much better case than Eli.

You are attributing things the Giants did to Eli. Where did Barry Sanders' running talents get him? Attributing team wins to individual players is and always will be silly. And, for like the 10th time, I think Eli will get in, even though he sucks. "lead a 9-7 QB to a SB" is about the worst point I've heard...they were 9-7 b/c he sucks.

So if Patrick Crayton catches the ball, we aren't having this discussion? Ok.

Passing yards aren't meaningless and if a QB has been productive enough to put them in the top 10 all-time in passing it does help bolster their case for the HOF. Eli's peers are the QBs he's played with during his 15 years and he has one more SB win than Rodgers and Brees who will also be in the HOF someday. How does Warren Moon have a better case for the HOF than Eli? You really must hate Eli if you think Moon had a better case for the HOF. Eli accomplished more in the NFL than Moon ever did. Moon choked in a number of games with costly int's. Moon won championships in a league full of scrubs who couldn't make it in the NFL. As for Barry Sanders, RBs don't impact games like QBs especially if they're playing for a team that has a scrub for a QB. Eric Dickerson never played in a SB because the teams he played for didn't have a championship caliber QB. Everything was put on him like it was with Sanders in Detroit. How many championships did Adrian Peterson win in Minnesota with the Vikings QB situation?

How many championships did OJ Simpson win with Buffalo? It won't matter how many yards Zeke puts up if Dak doesn't improve as a passer. He has to become more productive with yards and TDs. If a team doesn't have solid QB play they're not winning a championship regardless who they have at RB. History will tell you that. QBs are given a won/loss record in the NFL just like pitchers in baseball because their performance influences the outcome of games more than any other position. No way do the Pats play in 8 SB's the past two decades without Tom Brady. Football is a team sport but if you don't have great QB play you're not winning. The main reason Philly won the SB last season was due to the performance of Foles who played great in the SB which is why he was named SB MVP. QBs have won that award more than any position.

As Patrick Crayton he had a bad game against the Giants in the 07 playoffs but Romo and our defense didn't play well either. The Cowboys still had a chance to win in the final seconds but Romo ended our hopes with a pick in the endzone. Eli winning a SB with a 9-7 team shows how well he played down the stretch in 2011. He certainly didn't have a great team carrying him and his defense ranked in the 20s that year. That team overcame a 12-0 deficit to the Cowboys in Dec due to the play of Eli. It's a waste of time arguing with a fan who's blinded by their hate for a player. I look at players and teams objectively and give honest opinions.

 

[KJJ]

He still has better stats than John Elway

Elway threw for more TDs and had fewer picks. He led three Denver teams to the SB that had no business being in the SB. He won back to back championships when Denver finally put a solid team around him. Warren Moon wasn't half the QB John Elway was. Moon passed for almost 4700 yards one season and only tossed 23 TDs Moon only tossed 43 more TDs than Romo who played only 9 full seasons.

 

[kuyyo_morro]

If not for Manning brothers, Patriots would have had some 8-9 super bowl trophies. Eli should be a lock in.

 

[Future]

Passing yards aren't meaningless and if a QB has been productive enough to put them in the top 10 all-time in passing it does help bolster their case for the HOF. Eli's peers are the QBs he's played with during his 15 years and he has one more SB win than Rodgers and Brees who will also be in the HOF someday. How does Warren Moon have a better case for the HOF than Eli? You really must hate Eli if you think Moon had a better case for the HOF. Eli accomplished more in the NFL than Moon ever did. Moon choked in a number of games with costly int's. Moon won championships in a league full of scrubs who couldn't make it in the NFL. As for Barry Sanders, RBs don't impact games like QBs especially if they're playing for a team that has a scrub for a QB. Eric Dickerson never played in a SB because the teams he played for didn't have a championship caliber QB. Everything was put on him like it was with Sanders in Detroit. How many championships did Adrian Peterson win in Minnesota with the Vikings QB situation?

How many championships did OJ Simpson win with Buffalo? It won't matter how many yards Zeke puts up if Dak doesn't improve as a passer. He has to become more productive with yards and TDs. If a team doesn't have solid QB play they're not winning a championship regardless who they have at RB. History will tell you that. QBs are given a won/loss record in the NFL just like pitchers in baseball because their performance influences the outcome of games more than any other position. No way do the Pats play in 8 SB's the past two decades without Tom Brady. Football is a team sport but if you don't have great QB play you're not winning. The main reason Philly won the SB last season was due to the performance of Foles who played great in the SB which is why he was named SB MVP. QBs have won that award more than any position.

As Patrick Crayton he had a bad game against the Giants in the 07 playoffs but Romo and our defense didn't play well either. The Cowboys still had a chance to win in the final seconds but Romo ended our hopes with a pick in the endzone. Eli winning a SB with a 9-7 team shows how well he played down the stretch in 2011. He certainly didn't have a great team carrying him and his defense ranked in the 20s that year. That team overcame a 12-0 deficit to the Cowboys in Dec due to the play of Eli. It's a waste of time arguing with a fan who's blinded by their hate for a player. I look at players and teams objectively and give honest opinions.

This is too long to say the same thing you've been saying.

QBs, pitchers, goalies...none of them should have W-L records matter.

 

[Diehardblues]

Sure, here is the objective material on Eli.

Passing Yards - 7th (inevitably will be passed by Ryan, Rodgers and Stafford.)
Passing Attempts - 6th
Passer Rating - 43rd (Almost all of his contemporaries - Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Brady, Romo, Peyton, Rivers, Cousins, Ryan, Roehtlisberger, Warner, Luck) are in the top-16.
Yards per Attempt - Tied for 84th. (Romo, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Rivers, Rodgers, Cousins, Brees all in the top 20).
Completion % - Tied for 41st.
INT % - Tied for 47th
TD % - Tied for 67th

He trails his contemporaries by miles in all of these categories. He is not objectively good. He is, relative to other passers of this era, objectively way the heck behind. Other than throwing a lot, he doesn't do anything well. The only thing subjective is whether or not team accomplishments should actually be credited to a player trying to get into the HoF. There is nothing objective about Eli to say that he should be.

Theres obviously a good argument for Eli not getting inducted. I haven’t argued he will just playing Devils Advocate. I did offer I’d vote him in before Romo since this was the thread title.

And I don’t believe he’ll be a 1st ballot which always makes it a little tougher down the line for induction.

 

[Diehardblues]

If not for Manning brothers, Patriots would have had some 8-9 super bowl trophies. Eli should be a lock in.

Define “ lock in”? Is that 1st ballot which I’d argue won’t happen.

 

[KJJ]

This is too long to say the same thing you've been saying.

QBs, pitchers, goalies...none of them should have W-L records matter.

They all have W/L records because they greatly impact games. It’s a waste of time arguing with someone whose views of a player are based on their hatred for them.

 

[Future]

They all have W/L records because they greatly impact games. It’s a waste of time arguing with someone whose views of a player are based on their hatred for them.

You know who else greatly impacts games? The entire other side of the ball.

Did Romo really deserve a loss in that Denver game? Because that was one of the 5-10 best games a quarterback has played ever.

in before "threw a pick at the end durrrr"

Once again, the case for Eli isn't that he's good. It's that he was on a TEAM that won games. Should Justin Tuck be in the HoF? He was just as important in those Super Bowls lol

 

[KJJ]

You know who else greatly impacts games? The entire other side of the ball.

Did Romo really deserve a loss in that Denver game? Because that was one of the 5-10 best games a quarterback has played ever.

in before "threw a pick at the end durrrr"

Once again, the case for Eli isn't that he's good. It's that he was on a TEAM that won games. Should Justin Tuck be in the HoF? He was just as important in those Super Bowls lol

Romo didn’t deserve that loss but he didn’t make the greatest decision to go to a bust like Escobar in a critical situation. By the way how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers? Do you also hate him?

 

[flosho]

Sadly, no. I wish he was.

 

[Future]

Romo didn’t deserve that loss but he didn’t make the greatest decision to go to a bust like Escobar in a critical situation. By the way how do you feel about Aaron Rodgers? Do you also hate him?

Eli chose to throw a Hail Mary to David Tyree. In the Super Bowl. That's probably a worse decision.

What does Aaron Rodgers have to do with anything? He is a great passer and has won championships soooooooo

 

[Diehardblues]

Winning games and especially championships does matter when evaluating QB’s for HOF induction since there is no more important position on the field.

I could name several and have already named some QB’s who wouldn’t have been inducted without their Rings.

 

[Diehardblues]

They all have W/L records because they greatly impact games. It’s a waste of time arguing with someone whose views of a player are based on their hatred for them.

Yea , if hate is driving the opinion or analysis then there’s nothing that will soften the blow.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

No Super Bowls, major playoff screw ups, career choker in big spots...so no.

And I really loved the guy, but these are all facts.

 

[KJJ]

Eli chose to throw a Hail Mary to David Tyree. In the Super Bowl. That's probably a worse decision.

What does Aaron Rodgers have to do with anything? He is a great passer and has won championships soooooooo

You hate Eli so bad you're being critical of a play he pulled off that helped the Giants win the SB. LOL That was the greatest play in SB history and you're complaining about the decision he made. What other choice did Eli have in that situation with 1:15 left on the clock facing a 3rd and 5 from the Giants 44 yard line? Eli miraculously escaped a certain sack and did the smart thing by looking down the field. From the defenders vantage point Eli looked as if he was going down and that could free up a receiver down the field. All QBs look down the field when they're able to extend a play that long especially when they're in desperation mode and need a TD.

As for Aaron Rodgers just curious if you hate him for killing off two of the Cowboys better playoff teams. He's done about as much damage to the Cowboys SB chances as Eli. If you hate Eli you must hate Rodgers. I know there's a lot of Cowboy fans who hate Rodgers for carving us up in playoff games.

 

[Future]

You hate Eli so bad you're being critical of a play he pulled off that helped the Giants win the SB. LOL That was the greatest play in SB history and you're complaining about the decision he made. What other choice did Eli have in that situation with 1:15 left on the clock facing a 3rd and 5 from the Giants 44 yard line? Eli miraculously escaped a certain sack and did the smart thing by looking down the field. From the defenders vantage point Eli looked as if he was going down and that could free up a receiver down the field. All QBs look down the field when they're able to extend a play that long especially when they're in desperation mode and need a TD.

As for Aaron Rodgers just curious if you hate him for killing off two of the Cowboys better playoff teams. He's done about as much damage to the Cowboys SB chances as Eli. If you hate Eli you must hate Rodgers. I know there's a lot of Cowboy fans who hate Rodgers for carving us up in playoff games.

I"m not being critical of the play, I'm using the same exact logic you did. What other choice did Tony have?

I like Aaron Rodgers, b/c he is good. I don't hate Eli, personally, I just think he sucks.

 

[Tussinman]

If Rivers is a HOF, then Romo is.

And yes, I have heard people staying Rivers is one - which is odd, because he and Romo had very very similar careers.

Rivers was Romo type talent but over a much much longer career

Romo has NFL rating leader and 4x pro bowl

Rivers has NFL yards, rating, touchdown, and competition leader along with comeback player of the year and 8x pro bowls

Rivers is EASILY HOF and much longer/better career than Romo

 

[KJJ]

I"m not being critical of the play, I'm using the same exact logic you did. What other choice did Tony have?

I like Aaron Rodgers, b/c he is good. I don't hate Eli, personally, I just think he sucks.

I find it hard to believe Romo didn’t have a better choice than Escobar on that play. With the game on the line look to Witten that’s what Romo usually did. The pass wasn’t very good and neither was the target.

 

[WhizKid]

Such a waste of time making these arguments. Those who say no, point to W/L record and "win-or-go home" situations. Those who say yes, point to the diamond surrounded by trash, yet having success. These arguments go absolutely no where because you guys cannot even agree on facts, on what is real versus what is not.
First establish a baseline for the argument beginning with, are W/L records a legitimate stat for defining a QB and why the other 21 starters on offense and defense should largely be ignored? Why "win-or-go home" situations are important for the discussion, while providing this "stat" to other QBs of this generation. Then being willing to analyze the teams of those respective QBs and whether that was even important or not. And lastly, how important is a Coach to the success of the team. Once there is a general consensus in this area, the HOF discussion can be more productive and conclusive. I def will not be participating in that discussion, but if you guys are willing to do that leg work, I'll read. lol