Is Romo a hall of famer?

[G2]

No. You said Marino did something in the playoffs, he didn't. I'm comparing him to Eli, not Romo.

I have said multiple times that I don't think TR is going to the HoF.

The hell he didn't! Are you serious? Marino was in large part why they got to the playoffs years after. Romo couldn't propel the team in the late season or postseason.

And Eli manning is another poor comparison. He did more and performed very well in the postseason.
The "go to" is the helmet catch. That's lazy, so don't bring it up again. It conveniently ignores escaping a severe pass rush - near sack to even get the pass off. Plus, he was an intricate part of that drive before that ONE play and specifically the TD pass to Burress.

 

[Diehardblues]

As a QB you either need championships or near league leading passing yards, maybe even a MVP.

 

[G2]

As a QB you either need championships or near league leading passing yards, maybe even a MVP.

Romo never led the NFL in anything significant outside of one season.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Danny retired in 1988 just a few months before Jerry arrived.

I’m not arguing Danny should be there. I’m just saying being in our ROH only has to pass one persons approval.

Jerry has honored 7 players (or nearly 40% of the 19 total players in the Ring) who played their entire career before he arrived. White isn’t there because he isn’t good enough, not because of some weird Jerry bias.

 

[Diehardblues]

Marino makes the point for me, it doesn't derail it.

Marino never did anything in the playoffs and is in the HoF. So no, playoff success is not a requirement to be in the HoF. He's not hte only example. Warren Moon, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Bruce Matthews, Anthony Munoz....there are dozens of guys who didn't win a Super Bowl and went to the HoF.

Yet, for Eli, the only thing that does matter is the fact that he won two Super Bowls. That's ridiculous. Bad plays win Super Bowls all the time.

Yes but those Guys all led the league in rushing or passing, set some other individual records if they didn’t win a championship.

Are you really going to argue Earl, Barry or ED shouldn’t be in? Lol . That’s worse than your Marino argument. Lol

Again, winning Super Bowls does matter if your on the fringe of getting in. Without those championships he definitely isn’t getting in.

Bob Griese doesnt get in without championships. Namath doesn’t get in without a championship. The list goes on. Winning is going to matter unless you put up some really big numbers or are an obvious elite talent amongst your peers.

 

[DandyDon1722]

People, this isn't based on team stats, it's league wide compared to QBs during the same era.
Points per drive? Unless he's running it in every time, that's a team stat. And we were never 1st.

And him not staying healthy enough to be on the field isn't a point that supports the HOF. And he missed game in 7 seasons, not 2.

This is just simply insane. I loved Romo, he was a very good QB with a bunch of team statistics, but compared to others he didn't do enough.

Here's what Romo led the NFL at during his career:

2006 - Yards per attempt.
2014 - Completion percentage, yards per attempt, and rating.

That's it! You're not HOF caliber for franchise statistics or records. You're not HOF caliber with no postseason success.

Dude please - relax. I agree with you. I know all about his career I don't need to be lectured. In a post above about Eli, I said Romo is not HOF worthy. That's not the point I was making. I would like point out a couple of things--

He was much better than a combination of "team statistics." He is the 5th highest QB Rating in NFL history, just recently being passed for 4th by Phillip Rivers. That's position - not team.

Also, I point out the Points Per Drive statistic because that offensive stat combined with Defensive Pass Rating are the two most correlative statistics to winning in the NFL. We were always top ten PPD under Romo and always bottom ten DPR on defense which helps put his career in context.

No, Tony is not a top ten all time quarterback, but he was a top ten QB compared to his contemporaries during most of the years he played and in 2014 was the only QB to not win an MVP posting the numbers he did that year - some of which you correctly pointed out.

You can respond but I really don't want to go back and forth, we agree. These Romo threads just burn me out because it's the same 5-10 anti Romo posters who extend them to 200 posts every time because they think a QB wins Super Bowls by themselves. It's embarrassing and unproductive.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jerry has honored 7 players (or nearly 40% of the 19 total players in the Ring) who played their entire career before he arrived. White isn’t there because he isn’t good enough, not because of some weird Jerry bias.

Again, I’m not arguing Danny should be in there.

Do you believe everyone not in our ROH is simply not good enough?

You entrust in one persons thought process?

 

[Future]

Then explain to me why the NFL has always used total yards to measure rankings?

B/c its easy to digest, not because its the most effective way of measuring how good an offense is.

Winning championships matters. Do you think Aikman is in without winning 3 championships?

Yes. The only QB more accurate in the 90s was Young, and he was better than the likes of Kelly, Moon and Favre in not throwing INTs, and he did that with a Y/A that was always amongst the league leaders.

 

[Future]

The hell he didn't! Are you serious? Marino was in large part why they got to the playoffs years after. Romo couldn't propel the team in the late season or postseason.

And Eli manning is another poor comparison. He did more and performed very well in the postseason.
The "go to" is the helmet catch. That's lazy, so don't bring it up again. It conveniently ignores escaping a severe pass rush - near sack to even get the pass off. Plus, he was an intricate part of that drive before that ONE play and specifically the TD pass to Burress.

Why do you keep mentioning Romo? I'm not talking about Romo. I have said it over and over again now that I don't think he's in the HoF.

I'm not even sure what your point is when responding to me anymore. Being a part of why a team gets to the playoffs is a measure of regular season success lol. Marino was better in the regular season than Tony? Ok, no kidding.

Again, escaping a severe pass rush is something that Romo (and Roeth, Rodgers) have done for their entire careers. It doesn't make Eli better than anyone. And again, you're using 2 games - more specifically, a dozen or so plays - to overshadow an entire career of average at best play.

 

[G2]

Dude please - relax. I agree with you. I know all about his career I don't need to be lectured. In a post above about Eli, I said Romo is not HOF worthy. That's not the point I was making. I would like point out a couple of things--

He was much better than a combination of "team statistics." He is the 5th highest QB Rating in NFL history, just recently being passed for 4th by Phillip Rivers. That's position - not team.

Also, I point out the Points Per Drive statistic because that offensive stat combined with Defensive Pass Rating are the two most correlative statistics to winning in the NFL. We were always top ten PPD under Romo and always bottom ten DPR on defense which helps put his career in context.

No, Tony is not a top ten all time quarterback, but he was a top ten QB compared to his contemporaries during most of the years he played and in 2014 was the only QB to not win an MVP posting the numbers he did that year - some of which you correctly pointed out.

You can respond but I really don't want to go back and forth, we agree. These Romo threads just burn me out because it's the same 5-10 anti Romo posters who extend them to 200 posts every time because they think a QB wins Super Bowls by themselves. It's embarrassing and unproductive.

I'm not anti-Romo at all. I loved the guy, but to me he was top 6-10 and that doesn't make it. He did a lot of great things, but isn't worthy of HOF. The thing I've always thought is that the HOF is a little watered down. there are some players I wouldn't consider. But that's just me. I am relaxed bud, just having fun discussing.

 

[Diehardblues]

B/c its easy to digest, not because its the most effective way of measuring how good an offense is.

Yes. The only QB more accurate in the 90s was Young, and he was better than the likes of Kelly, Moon and Favre in not throwing INTs, and he did that with a Y/A that was always amongst the league leaders.

So, you are totally discrediting how the NFL ranks offenses and defenses.

I guess all those Doomsday Defenses we had were over rated?

How was Aikmans numbers without a championship team around him? Like in 89, 90, 97,98,99 and 2000.

You truly believe Aikman gets in without those 3 championships?

 

[Aikmaniac]

The unfortunate part is that he won't get in because of the dumb "choker" label that he was given his entire career. The media did him in after the Seattle playoff game. From then on, if you asked anyone what they thought of Romo, the immediate response was "choker" and "loser". Including this forum, the majority of opinions on Romo were negative. He carried this team season after season. We all know how good he made this offense look. Yes, he made many mistakes, but his QB play was certainly remarkable in my opinion.

 

[G2]

Why do you keep mentioning Romo? I'm not talking about Romo. I have said it over and over again now that I don't think he's in the HoF.

I'm not even sure what your point is when responding to me anymore. Being a part of why a team gets to the playoffs is a measure of regular season success lol. Marino was better in the regular season than Tony? Ok, no kidding.

Again, escaping a severe pass rush is something that Romo (and Roeth, Rodgers) have done for their entire careers. It doesn't make Eli better than anyone. And again, you're using 2 games - more specifically, a dozen or so plays - to overshadow an entire career of average at best play.

You ask me why I bring Romo up, well read tha damn thread title dude, lol....

Tell ya what, Eli Manning wins the race on longevity alone. I can't stand the guy. But he would have never missed one single game unless his d-bag HC sat him a game.
Enough about Marino though.

 

[Future]

So, you are totally discrediting how the NFL ranks offenses and defenses.

I guess all those Doomsday Defenses we had were over rated?

How was Aikmans numbers without a championship team around him? Like in 89, 90, 97,98,99 and 2000.

You truly believe Aikman gets in without those 3 championships?

Yes, because it is pointless. Points is valuable, yards per play/drive is valuable. Total yards is completely meaningless.

This is dumb. How were Steve Young's numbers without Jerry Rice? Every QB needs talent around them, especially in the 90s when illegal contact wasn't a thing.

I don't believe he gets in without them. I think he should though.

 

[perrykemp]

No. You said Marino did something in the playoffs, he didn't. I'm comparing him to Eli, not Romo.

I have said multiple times that I don't think TR is going to the HoF.

Marino played in a Superbowl. It's a bit more than saying "Marino didn't do anything in the playoffs".

 

[Diehardblues]

Dude please - relax. I agree with you. I know all about his career I don't need to be lectured. In a post above about Eli, I said Romo is not HOF worthy. That's not the point I was making. I would like point out a couple of things--

He was much better than a combination of "team statistics." He is the 5th highest QB Rating in NFL history, just recently being passed for 4th by Phillip Rivers. That's position - not team.

Also, I point out the Points Per Drive statistic because that offensive stat combined with Defensive Pass Rating are the two most correlative statistics to winning in the NFL. We were always top ten PPD under Romo and always bottom ten DPR on defense which helps put his career in context.

No, Tony is not a top ten all time quarterback, but he was a top ten QB compared to his contemporaries during most of the years he played and in 2014 was the only QB to not win an MVP posting the numbers he did that year - some of which you correctly pointed out.

You can respond but I really don't want to go back and forth, we agree. These Romo threads just burn me out because it's the same 5-10 anti Romo posters who extend them to 200 posts every time because they think a QB wins Super Bowls by themselves. It's embarrassing and unproductive.

Those QB ratings are absurd. No one in top 20 this era except Montana and Young.

Guys like Cousins in top 10. Pennington 14th. Shaub 17th. What a joke!!!

Staubach 45th, Aikman 58th

Yes this QBR is totally flawed.

 

[Future]

You ask me why I bring Romo up, well read tha damn thread title dude, lol....

Tell ya what, Eli Manning wins the race on longevity alone. I can't stand the guy. But he would have never missed one single game unless his d-bag HC sat him a game.
Enough about Marino though.

Yea but if you're paying attention you know that's not what we've been talking about...

Longevity? That's how far we have to go to reach to make a case for Eli. He's not even in the top 100 in games played lol. I guess London Fletcher and Ricky Proehl are HoFers? Simply playing games doesn't mean a player is good.

 

[Future]

Marino played in a Superbowl. It's a bit more than saying "Marino didn't do anything in the playoffs".

Team accomplishment. Jim Kelly played in 4, but was generally bad in the playoffs in his career, especially in the Super Bowl. Is he some great playoff performer? Being there doesn't mean anything. He didn't even play in the comeback against the Oilers.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, because it is pointless. Points is valuable, yards per play/drive is valuable. Total yards is completely meaningless.

This is dumb. How were Steve Young's numbers without Jerry Rice? Every QB needs talent around them, especially in the 90s when illegal contact wasn't a thing.

I don't believe he gets in without them. I think he should though.

Points aren’t used because turnovers leads to points by the defense. Not to mention points from special teams.

There’s a reason the NFL uses total yards . You should look into it. Don’t just believe me.

But I suppose I should believe a fan here instead of the NFL? Lol

 

[G2]

Yea but if you're paying attention you know that's not what we've been talking about...

Longevity? That's how far we have to go to reach to make a case for Eli. He's not even in the top 100 in games played lol. I guess London Fletcher and Ricky Proehl are HoFers? Simply playing games doesn't mean a player is good.

There's no reach dude, you just keep ignoring the points already brought up. Longevity is just ONE consideration. But feel free to just make off the wall comparisons on just ONE point.
It sinks you in deeper.