Is Romo the fastest gun in the West?...vid Post #53

[JackMagist]

I was teasing.

No Problem

You know the deal...a day off on Friday...a few beers...one gets lazy in their posting.

 

[windjc]

Umm... I'd say he is on the level of vision and accuracy. Brees probably has better accuracy and Peyton probably has better vision. But he's right there with them, plus he has one over them with his elusiveness and improvisation.

Lol. I'm not a troll.

But I have to respectfully disagree. Romo, while he had a very good season last year, did not have the same caliber season as Brees and Manning. I mean, taking nothing away from Romo, the QB play in the NFL is in its glory days. It has never been better.

And, unfortunately, more often than not, QB play is going to result in Championships.

If one argues that Romo had the same vision and accuracy of Brees and Manning, then one might have to argue that he didn't have the same caliber decision making skills, both at line of scrimmage and during the plays.

One could also argue that Romo doesn't have the comeback mojo of these QBs either. I think Romo is playing better than any Dallas QB in history right now (save Staubachs ability to win games), but unfortunately its not enough.

To carry the team on his shoulder's he'll have to improve his play.

Yes, I know, Romo doesn't "have" to carry the team on his shoulders, but its still the best chance for us to win a Superbowl, if he does.

 

[JackMagist]

Umm... I'd say he is on the level of vision and accuracy. Brees probably has better accuracy and Peyton probably has better vision. But he's right there with them, plus he has one over them with his elusiveness and improvisation.

I'd say he definitely has that one over Manning. Brees is closer in that regard. And as was the original point of this thread Romo has it over both of them in the quick release...I'll take him to QB my team.

 

[JackMagist]

Lol. I'm not a troll.

But I have to respectfully disagree. Romo, while he had a very good season last year, did not have the same caliber season as Brees and Manning. I mean, taking nothing away from Romo, the QB play in the NFL is in its glory days. It has never been better.

And, unfortunately, more often than not, QB play is going to result in Championships.

If one argues that Romo had the same vision and accuracy of Brees and Manning, then one might have to argue that he didn't have the same caliber decision making skills, both at line of scrimmage and during the plays.

One could also argue that Romo doesn't have the comeback mojo of these QBs either. I think Romo is playing better than any Dallas QB in history right now (save Staubachs ability to win games), but unfortunately its not enough.

To carry the team on his shoulder's he'll have to improve his play.

Yes, I know, Romo doesn't "have" to carry the team on his shoulders, but its still the best chance for us to win a Superbowl, if he does.

One could also argue that it is a team sport and Romo can't do it all alone. And that he has not played as many years as a starter as either Manning or Brees did before having their level of success. One COULD argue that he has a skill level that is easily comparable with those two quarterbacks.

 

[pancakeman]

where the clock begins when he starts to **** his arm back to throw.

 

[windjc]

One could also argue that it is a team sport and Romo can't do it all alone. And that he has not played as many years as a starter as either Manning or Brees did before having their level of success. One COULD argue that he has a skill level that is easily comparable with those two quarterbacks.

True.

 

[Draegerman]

They did compare it one time to Marino. Romo is faster.

Do you remember by how much? In order to be fair, it would have to be the same type of pattern run by each receiver as well.

The formula that the analyst provided for measuring Romo's quick release verses Keenum's was a bit confusing. I honestly thought that he meant to say "one-hundredths of a second". It was the decimal point that they kept using that was throwing me off with the clock. So I researched it a bit and discovered that the human eye perceives the typical cinema film motion as being fluid at about 18fps, because of its blurring. Normally, movies are played at 24fps in the theater; displaying more sharpness and crispness with imagery.

So 30fps would be optimal when looking at a quarterback's release for precision with the human eye.

That, my friends, without adding further proof to refute or enhance Romo's quick release is freaking INCREDIBLE.

It requires more study (at the very least to get a base average), but the evidence provided so far is reason for most Cowboys fans to be optimistic at the quarterback position.

How in the hell did football scouts miss this kid's skills during the draft?

Shocking.

 

[sago1]

The comparison between Romo's and Marino's quick releases by Collingsworth occurred during the Green Bay Packer-Dallas game in Dallas in 2007. The game was played in Dallas and shown on the NFL channel. I saw it and fully remember the chart Collingsworth showed, etc. Romo was faster then Marino by about 3/10's of a second. Very impressive.

BTW: Collingsworth compared Romo's delivery to every other QB then active in the NFL, specifically Marino who previously considered the fastest/quickest. I believe Romo's release was also compared with Rogers, then backup QB to Favre, but who had replaced the injuried Favre in that game.

Was a great game and Romo throw 4 TDs; he was credited with 1 INT cause T.Owens caught fumblistis and juggled the football several times before losing it to a GB DB.

 

[Draegerman]

One could also argue that it is a team sport and Romo can't do it all alone. And that he has not played as many years as a starter as either Manning or Brees did before having their level of success. One COULD argue that he has a skill level that is easily comparable with those two quarterbacks.

Exactly! I would only argue in support of this that he has yet to achieve the maturation process that equates to the same level of both Manning and Brees.

It might be only just a matter of time before Romo shatters every Cowboys record at the quarterback position.

And God knows how much I worship the legendary Roger Staubach.

 

[JackMagist]

Do you remember by how much? In order to be fair, it would have to be the same type of pattern run by each receiver as well.

The formula that the analyst provided for measuring Romo's quick release verses Keenum's was a bit confusing. I honestly thought that he meant to say "one-hundredths of a second". It was the decimal point that they kept using that was throwing me off with the clock. So I researched it a bit and discovered that the human eye perceives the typical cinema film motion as being fluid at about 18fps, because of its blurring. Normally, movies are played at 24fps in the theater; displaying more sharpness and crispness with imagery.

So 30fps would be optimal when looking at a quarterback's release for precision with the human eye.

That, my friends, without adding further proof to refute or enhance Romo's quick release is freaking INCREDIBLE.

It requires more study (at the very least to get a base average), but the evidence provided so far is reason for most Cowboys fans to be optimistic at the quarterback position.

How in the hell did football scouts miss this kid's skills during the draft?

Shocking.

Jerry said (before Romo became the starter) that they had him rated as a 4th round pick and that low because of the school he went to and concerns about his size (6'2" isn't big for an NFL QB). But at the time the team still believed in Q Carter so they let him slide and were thrilled to see him be available after the draft.

Why the other teams missed out on him is a mystery. But then again we might not have noticed him had Sean Payton not been on staff at the time. Peyton was QB at Eastern Ill. too and it was his records that Romo was breaking.

 

[Draegerman]

The comparison between Romo's and Marino's quick releases by Collingsworth occurred during the Green Bay Packer-Dallas game in Dallas in 2007. The game was played in Dallas and shown on the NFL channel. I saw it and fully remember the chart Collingsworth showed, etc. Romo was faster then Marino by about 3/10's of a second. Very impressive.

BTW: Collingsworth compared Romo's delivery to every other QB then active in the NFL, specifically Marino who previously considered the fastest/quickest. I believe Romo's release was also compared with Rogers, then backup QB to Favre, but who had replaced the injuried Favre in that game.

Was a great game and Romo throw 4 TDs; he was credited with 1 INT cause T.Owens caught fumblistis and juggled the football several times before losing it to a GB DB.

Thanks for the info but I'd find it hard to believe that Romo beat Marino's quick release by "3/10's of a second". That would not make sense.

 

[Marktui]

I never heard Jessica Simpson comment on it so not sure.

Good One!!!

 

[SDCowboy]

Thanks for the info but I'd find it hard to believe that Romo beat Marino's quick release by "3/10's of a second". That would not make sense.

Does it really matter weather if he's THE fastest ever? He's one of them and that's saying something.

 

[Draegerman]

Does it really matter weather if he's THE fastest ever? He's one of them and that's saying something.

I agree but it was asked for the sake of curiosity. I'm not trying to make anything more out of it. For a different analogy, one could write that Leonard Davis is the strongest man in the NFL. The first question that would come to most Cowboy fans' minds is if he was stronger than our own Larry Allen.

That's all.

 

[AdamJT13]

Thanks for the info but I'd find it hard to believe that Romo beat Marino's quick release by "3/10's of a second". That would not make sense.

I'm pretty sure it was about three one-hundredths of a second.


Edit: I was wrong. It was four one-hundredths of a second.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/hiestand-tv/2007-12-23-hiestand-NFL-Network_N.htm

"The NFL Network compared the release times of Dallas Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo and Dan Marino, when the CBS analyst was playing, during Saturday night's game. Romo's release is faster — 0.26 seconds vs. Marino's 0.3. That's about how long the network should hesitate before releasing Bryant Gumbel, whose experiment in calling football play-by-play — without much enthusiasm and with too many inaccuracies — hasn't been impressive."

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Something interesting that I watched just now on ESPN's "College Football Live" program. They were showing Case Keenum's (qb from Univ. of Houston) quick release. This was truly one of his strengths. It focused on two of his passes, where the clock begins when he starts to **** his arm back to throw. Each time he clocked in at .11 and .12 frames per second. It translates into roughly 1/3 of a second.

What was interesting was his comparison to Romo's quick release (who was referred as the quickest one in the NFL). They showed only one pass from Romo (I think it was against the Commanders) where he hit a 20 yard out to Austin. Romo clocked in at .11 fps.

I went back on my dvr and slowly played it back and noticed that they were .01 fps off. Romo actually clocked in at .10 fps.

Incredible.

I'd like to see how Romo's quick release would compare to Marino's (which was assumed to be the fastest ever).

Interesting nonetheless.

I saw it too and it was impressive but the throw they analyzed was against a much better team than the Skins, it was the Falcons.

 

[The Emperor]

They did compare it one time to Marino. Romo is faster.

That comparison was made during the live broadcast of the Packers-Cowboys game on NFL Network in 2007. I'm sure Stargazer could find the clip.

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

Umm... I'd say he is on the level of vision and accuracy. Brees probably has better accuracy and Peyton probably has better vision. But he's right there with them, plus he has one over them with his elusiveness and improvisation.

Romo isn't very accurate at all. He's accurate in the fact that he'll find the open man and get the completion but he'll rarely fit the ball in a tight window.

 

[jobberone]

One of the first things I noticed about Romo was his quick release. And I believe I remember seeing it either side by side with Marino or superimposed. I distinctly remember it being faster though. I've seen enough of both of them and it passes my eyeball test as well. Romo is a helluva QB. He just needs to win a championship to vault himself into greatness.

 

[peplaw06]

Romo isn't very accurate at all. He's accurate in the fact that he'll find the open man and get the completion but he'll rarely fit the ball in a tight window.

Srsly? Romo's career 63.4% completion percentage says hello.